A new critique from New Agenda?

Via Tennessee Guerilla Woman, It's No Longer Just About Hillary:

After hearing her name placed in nomination at the Democrats' convention next week, Hillary Clinton will no doubt urge her followers to support Barack Obama. What good that gesture will do for the Obama candidacy remains to be seen. Clinton has already made it several times, but a new Pew Research Center poll shows that 28 percent of her primary voters do not intend to vote for Obama, a number virtually unchanged from June.

Of special concern are women, particularly older ones, whom in the past could be counted on to vote for whatever Democrat was running for president. Many remain scandalized ["Scandalized"? How about "outraged at the injustice"?] by the sexist attacks on Clinton during the recent campaign. A stubborn 18 percent of Clinton's female voters vow to back McCain, according to a poll for Lifetime television networks. Another 6 percent plan to support neither major-party candidate.

Perhaps Clinton does not possess the magic wand to move her troops. The storyline goes [went] that many women disappointed by Clinton's loss or angry at the nasty campaign just needed time "to heal." Once Hillary gave them the nudge, they'd get with the program.

Heh. Called my shot on that load of crap.

Thing is, it's no longer about Hillary for many of them.

Yep. It's about the conclusions you draw from what happened -- what was done to -- Hillary. And who made it happen. And how.

I sat in on a group of high-powered Clinton supporters gathering in New York last week to create a nonpartisan [party invariant!] group called The New Agenda. There was little discussion of the current campaign.

Bingo!

The New Agenda's agenda is to look out for women's political interests where the Democratic Party and old-line feminist organizations had failed. The attendees reserved special fury for the Democratic National Committee and its passivity before the misogynistic carnival. One of their specifics is getting MSNBC jester Chris Matthews fired -- and if he intends to run for the Senate from Pennsylvania, to end that idea.

Every member has her own plans for November, including for a few, voting for Obama. Co-founder Amy Siskind, a former Wall Street exec and Clinton fundraiser, told me, "I won't vote for Obama, but I'm not sure what I'll do." Cynthia Ruccia, a Democratic activist from Columbus, Ohio, who twice ran against Republican John Kasich, is supporting McCain -- and organizing other Democrats in her swing state to do likewise.

The McCain camp has noticed. Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett-Packard and McCain's adviser, met with Siskind in New York. She flew to Columbus to confer with Ruccia, Nancy Hopkins, another New Agenda founder, and 75 other miffed Democratic women. (Hopkins is the MIT biologist who famously protested a suggestion by then-Harvard University President Lawrence Summers that boys might be innately better at science than girls.)

DNC chairman Howard Dean has called Ruccia twice. "He was just waking up to the thought that women around the country were upset over the treatment of Hillary," she told me. Ruccia tends to doubt that putting Clinton's name to a roll-call vote will mollify many of the female holdouts. "The train left the station a long time ago," she said.

The New Agenda wants to become a women's-voice alternative for the National Organization for Women and NARAL, which they see as moribund and appendages of the Democratic leadership. Members note that when rapper Ludacris sang a pro-Obama ballad calling Hillary "an irrelevant b-," the president of NOW didn't get out of bed to complain.

For many of these women, whatever nice things Clinton says about Obama in Denver won't matter much. They have decided that they can live with McCain, and they're already inoculated against the crude anatomical references that left-wing [so-called] bloggers will send their way. (There's not one they haven't heard.) Hillary can't do much to change their feelings -- even if she wanted to.

"Feelings." Still with the feelings. Well, you know how women are.

Though I remain unpersuaded by PUMA's electoral scenarios -- since the only real way, at this point, to halt Obama's drive to Invesco Field would have to meet the "live boy or dead girl" standard* -- I've always watched them carefully and with sympathy, since after the implosion of PB 1.0, the PUMAs, as a (reasonably**) spontaneous movement of people totally pissed off at obvious injustices, seemed to me to be one of the very few sources of truly new critique.

And now it's happened. Yay!

Of course, I could be way, way off. Wealthy Clinton fundraisers and Wall Street executives typically don't call me for advice, no doubt wisely. More on the new agenda from the LA Times:

Amy Siskind of Westchester, N.Y. [Does the Chinese bus go there?] , a founder and Clinton supporter, said the group was urging that Matthews' contract not be renewed because "the kind of language he uses and the kind of behavior he exhibits in the public domain toward women objectifies them and leads to bad things for our society and to domestic violence."

Siskind would not reveal what tactics the group would use to get Matthews off the air. She likened the organization to the Navy Seals, saying their methods would be covert.

Somehow, "critique" is not something I expect from the Navy Seals. Nevertheless, this is still a salutary development. But maybe I don't need t worry that much. Here's more from their press release:

We will pool our talents and leverage already established 'friends of the family' organizations to launch a grass roots and grass tops effort to register women voters, and organize a national 'get out the vote' effort around women’s issues," says Amy Siskind.

What? They aren't going to get approval from the Obama Movement first, like the other 527s? What's wrong with them?

"Our long-term goal is to cultivate and groom women to run for public office at all levels of government – including the presidency," adds Siskind, a former Wall Street executive who is active in Democratic politics and is a founding member of Together4US, which is supporting efforts to put Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Here are their policy recommendations:

"The first order of business for our group is to persuade candidates for the presidency, Senate and House to incorporate a number of women’s rights goals and policies into their platforms," says Siskind. These include:

*Mandating paid maternity leave;

*Ensuring that affordable healthcare is available to women and children;

Why not Single Payer?

*Passing the Fair Pay Act in the Senate;

*Helping women establish and run small businesses;

*Reducing domestic violence;

*Available and affordable birth control;

*Allocating 20 percent more party money to female candidates than to male candidates until the number of women elected to Congress is on par with their percentage of the population; and

At this point, I'm willing to concede that this testerone-driven thing hasn't worked out real well.

*Strengthening FCC regulations to penalize content that denigrates women.

Reversing media consolidation would let a lot more women own media properties...

One women’s rights issue conspicuously missing from the list: abortion. Siskind points out: "It’s not that The New Agenda doesn’t view choice as a central women’s issue, it’s that Roe v. Wade has been used a single defining issue to hold women voters hostage in the past. There are many other issues that are important and relevant to a broad spectrum of women."

But.... But... What about the SCOTUS?

Many of the women who attended The New Agenda's first meeting got to know each other as a result working with pro-Hillary groups. Attendees included founding members of such groups as Together4US, Party Unity My Ass (PUMA), IOwnMyVote, Just Say No Deal and Vote Democracy ’08.

Interesting (and see Hosea 8:7).

Lynette Long (a founding member of the group) has some concerns that I agree with:

The New Agenda is a top-down organization, composed now of 30 leaders in business and various professional fields, a "best and brightest" group that seeks to spread into a grassroots movement. Their level of success in doing so will tell the tale of whether ordinary women share their priorities.

I have to say that I am skeptical, to put it mildly, that McCain or the Republicans are going to deliver on the meat of New Agenda's issues, i.e. Fair Pay, domestic violence, accountability for sexism, and paid maternity leave. Having said that, I am at a loss to think of another way to get the Democratic Party to stop taking women's votes for granted.

I'm anxious to hear how the Obama campaign responds, and to see how broad the grassroots support for this group becomes. I hope the Democrats don't go into this thinking they can call New Agenda's bluff. Whatever the strength of their hand, they ain't bluffing.

So, how new is the New Agenda? I don't think we know yet. We'll know better when they actually start trying to make the sausage. For example, the "Available and affordable birth control" bullet point flatly contradicts the restrictions the Conservatives are trying to shove down our throats in the form of "conscience clauses" and so forth.

Will the New Agenda leave the Overton Window where it is? Or shove it left?

NOTE * Which, to be fair, material on the caucuses (TX and other) might do, if it were brought to light.

NOTE ** For another view, see here. PUMA, especially in the early days, was very, very messy, and the fact that the messaging wasn't controlled at all gave me a confidence that the whole thing wasn't some sort of quadruple Rovian bankshot. For me, the driver was injustice, but that was by no means the case everywhere. On the other hand, if you had injustice as a driver, there was "no place else to go." So.

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You say no. no but there's yes, yes in your eyes

I think we've been smeared. Eh, so what. Every new movement has to figure out what it's about and what it's goals are. Ours came together remarkably quickly. We're not pissed anymore. We're determined to make the powers that be, powers that were.
I've met Darragh Murphy. Darragh Murphy is a friend of mine. You will not find a more genuine, concerned, rational person than Darragh.
Christina Cedano, on the other hand, is a kool-aid drinker- by the gallons.
After the convention, all these various groups are destined for a meeting, methinks. It is time to hammer out a new party for both women and men. The Democrats have made themselves ridiculous and unreliable. We need to start a new entity that focuses on what the Democrats were supposed to be about. Then, we start small. School board elections, township committees, mayors, county freeholders. Pretty soon, we will have a base of support to run for higher office.
It came together quickly this year and the internet makes it very easy to coordinate. We will soon be a force to be reckoned with.
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I think if you reread the post...

... and in particular the note, you will see that I'm not saying "No, no, no" at all. I don't give uncritical adulation to anything, whether it's Obama or anyone one.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

I'm so ready

It is time to hammer out a new party for both women and men. The Democrats have made themselves ridiculous and unreliable. We need to start a new entity that focuses on what the Democrats were supposed to be about.

For this.

I'm staying in the Democratic Party in the hope that Hillary gets the nomination.

But even if she gets the nomination we need changes. The Democratic Party cannot stay what it is -- the poor sister to the Republican Party.

If Hillary wins the nomination there's a good chance we could make due with what we've got (after a serious house-cleaning.) If she doesn't? We've got to start over.

Starting over

Is exactly how I feel. Two parties, increasingly alike, but both creatures of the same Village -- which is the problem.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

'Lo, there do I see my father. 'Lo, there do I see...

My mother, and my sisters, and my brothers.

'Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.

'Lo, they do call to me.

They bid me take my place among them.

In the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever!

Okay, I'm ready too

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I think it is Rovian buckshot.

And I am sorry the group did not include HR 676 and abortion. On the other hand, from a political point of view, we might not want HR 676 conflated with this movement right now.

Getting Matthews fired would be excellent.

I was there - you're wrong

That doesn't mean that the GOP isn't trying to take advantage.

Politicians do that

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I am so tired of this meme

I was online when PUMA was born. I saw the comments back and forth and watched it at Riverdaughter's place.

Granted, the anonymity of the internet protects people from too much scrutiny. But overall to those of us who have held our noses and voted for the wholly-undeserving D for the very last time, it's just insulting. The Dems have exploited me for years. I have volunteered, gave money, did everything hoping one day that I would finally get a candidate I could enthusiastically vote for. What did I get? Yet another lame poser who doesn't seem to really give a rat's ass about any issue I care about. Adding to that I got a candidate who happily smeared people as racist for personal gain and sought to transform our political culture into a giant towel-snapping locker room. And to make it as crushing as possible, this whole affair was the millionth time in my life I saw an older more experienced woman get rudely and crudely shoved aside for some new flashy guy.

This PUMA is a republican tool crap is just another version of Michelle Obama's unbelievably arrogant "Barack Obama is the only rational choice" schtick she started out with. Sorry, passionate intelligent Democrats can and do say PUMA.*

*Personally my favorite is "Towanda!" from Fried Green Tomatoes, but that's another rant.

I'm tired of it, too, but...

There is an element -- relatively small, I believe -- among self-described PUMAs that plays footsie with McCain, and not just in the sense of not voting for Obama in order to defeat McCain.

To deny that would be truthy, and some of us have no intention of being truthy.

I will be the first to admit

that some Repubs are taking advantage of this opportunity. I have no interest in any truthiness either. But Kos-esque brutal libertarians don't really work as a characterization of the progressive community either, do they?

Nah, doesn't have the smell of Rove

If Rove was funding/organizing it, it would be a lot slicker. And there'd be a clear message. And a clear tiered architecture.

What that article -- assuming the picture identifications to be correct -- does show is that there are plenty of opportunists around, which is only to be expected. And several people around that the PUMAs would do well to have some "Come to Jeebus" moments about if they want to function as anything more than an aggregation. (That's why having PUMAs like Cannonfire exhaustively debunk that silly birth certificate shit that LJ is pushing is good, good, good, because truthiness rots everything.)

As I said: Messy, messy, messy, in itself the best indication it's not Rovian, but something new and dynamic.

In any case, so far as I can tell, New Agenda -- the subject of this post -- is not PUMA. Just because two plants grow from the same soil doesn't mean they're the same plant. Eh?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Hillary on the ballot

the fact that we had to struggle and be granted that which should have been a right only made things worse. Although, it would have been really bad if they had forced her off the ballot. Don't understand why they don't understand that HRC represents half the Democratic party.

Because it is not in their interest to understand

My model is that Obama intends to govern from the center right with his existing base + enough evangelicals + disgruntled Republicans + new regs to win. So he doesn't need the "old coalition." In his mind, and in the mind of the "creative class," they literally aren't part of the Democratic Party (remember when Kos said that Hillary wasn't a Democrat, and he had no need to be fair to her supporters?) They would not even understand what you did not understand. The old coalition isn't shiny.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

not intended as argumentative -- quick typing splash

"Obama intends to govern from the center right" is too forgiving.

Political space is not merely two-dimensional, i.e., Progressive, Centrist, Conservative.

Using the recent FISA vote as an example: (1) comfort with the spying on citizens might demand a position right of center, but (2) retroactive immunity for illegal spying at least demands an orthogonal line -- Constitutional to Unconstitutional.

So, I would say that Obummer has demonstrated that his vector leads to a point in [Conservative, Unconstitutional] Space.

Next I have to account for a space that would contain: perversion of the primary campaigns; refusal to impeach or censure; abandonment of campaign and election reforms; rejection of universal or single payer healthcare; supporting the Class Action Fairness act; equivocation and deception on deployment of troops; abandonment of marriage rights, women's control of their own bodies, LGBT issues; repeatedly supporting the Patriot Act; fear and refusal to debate other candidates; adulation of the failures RWR and GHWB at the expense WJC (and HRC), ....

Graph paper won't work, but the DNC-stupid pill will.

[moo-ishly old91A10 slips into the shadows and continues reading]

Me Too.

I've never voted for a Republican in my life.

-- And I don't plan to this year either.

Sorry, to clarify...

I didn't mean to suggest that YOU smeared us. I'm saying that people like Cedano and others have done a pretty good job of dehumanizing us.
Actually, Lambert, I know you need to keep your objectivity but your heart belongs to PUMA.
And we're not giving it back. Bwahahahahahaaaaaah!!!
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this sounds brilliant

hopefully this becomes a sustained movement.

You are right, Lambert

But at the present time, PUMA is a loose coalition for a reason. There is strength in numbers even if we do have some tinfoily outliers. They don't want to vote for Obama and they are giving oppo research a crack.
I too have been a little thrown by some of the members we have in the coalition but I know that they are vastly outnumbered by the ordinary average, hard-working, non-racist, hearts of Democrats voters.
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I agree on the numbers

But it only takes a little mildew to take down a whole vegetable patch -- especially when a new narrative is being constructed. Eh?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

My campaign season motto is becoming my life motto:

Any kind of attention can be turned into a positive (sounds like something Reille Hunter would say, huh?). This kind of smear action calls everyone's attention to PUMA. That's what we want. Look at us, we're speaking to you.

The fact that the critics are concerned enough to find out the details of the PUMA convention, speaks volumes.

As a PUMA I can say I don't always relish the schtick that goes along with it but the intent is pure and well motivated. It's not about Hillary. It's not about Obama. It's about the democratic process and how it was bypassed in the democratic primaries. (speaking for myself only.)
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"the intent is pure and well motivated"

Whose intent? When?

Sacredness is a poison. I can't assume that just because someone self-describes as a PUMA that person is pure of heart?

+100 on what goldberry said. Acknowledging that a largely unmanaged movement (if the word "movement" hasn't been trademarked elsewhere) will have foily outliers is healthy.

Rove is one of the original ratfuckers

Their mission was to infiltrate and engage in espionage/sabotage.

Put your faith in principles, not people.

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I guess 18M+ voters can't be wrong.

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And I'm happy that Roe isn't at the top of their list. The only reason we get beat up with Roe is because the Democrats have caved on virtually every other issue that would make women's lives better. It's the same with minorities and affirmative action. They've backed off every policy that would help make society more equal and have allowed both Roe and affirmative action to be narrowed to the point of near uselessness for many people, but hey if you don't vote for us in November you won't even have this one pathetic thing. Fuck that noise. Sadly, I think women will have to inflict pain on the Democrats to get any attention on their issues and that always risks making a Republican president, which is worse for women in the short run. But right now, we're on a long run to watching our rights erode as people who take credit for protecting them don't actually protect them and many have shown themselves to either hate women or be perfectly fine with people who hate women.

One of the best pieces of writing I've seen about how the Supreme Court argument reveals how bad Democrats have treated women and people of color comes from Adolph Reed, Jr., in The Black Agenda Report:

I'm increasingly convinced that the courts issue looms so large because the liberals have given away everything else. It feels ever more the property of Dem hacks who have to strain to find any basis for plausible product differentiation during election season. (A friend used to maintain that there's so little difference between the two parties in this bipartisan era that people determine their allegiances in the same ways they sort themselves into Ford and Chevy people. Now I think it's more like Buick v. Pontiac; they have the same structure and frame, same engine, and same chassis design - just different flourishes and labels.) It's a deal-maker only if you accept the premise that formal preservation of Roe v. Wade is the paramount issue, the sine qua non, of gender justice in the United States or that holding on to the shreds of a mangled, "mended" version of affirmative action is the same for blacks. Those two areas don't stand out so much when you add up everything the Dems have caved on that has more directly injurious effects on black people and women, often with more direct and persisting impact on reproductive freedom - or "choice" in the liberals' capitulationist parlance - and economic security than abortion rights, which are exercised, at best, episodically, and affirmative action, the meaningful scope of which is effectively reduced by retreats in other policy areas. For openers, just think of comparable worth, welfare reform, publicly supported child care, cuts in Federal urban aid, education, the War on Drugs, NAFTA, the ethnic cleansing program of HOPE VI, corporate health care, privatization, abetting union-busting, fetishizing deficit reduction, as only among the most obvious areas where they've rolled over. For most blacks and women, most of the time, abortion rights and affirmative action are at best more symbolic than practically meaningful, particularly in a context in which in all those other areas that affect their lives directly, the Dems have already given away the store. Trying to stoke hysteria around abortion rights and affirmative action looks more and more like a feeble attempt to deflect attention from that fact, and to convince people who don't stand to get much from a Dem victory that they should commit to them anyway - for the sake of those who do stand to benefit. I've finally realized what this move is all about: what makes the Dems every four years "better" is always something that the hacks and yuppies are likely to imagine getting if they win, and their disgusting moralizing about the imperative to vote for their "lesser evil" - which means "I may get what's important for me, but you have to recognize that what you need is naïve or impractical" -- is all about bullying the rest of us into believing we have an obligation to vote for what's good for them.

Don't get me wrong, reproductive freedom is key to women's liberation, but Roe is not the end all, be all of reproductive freedom. Birth control access, paid maternity leave, and paid sick leave and family leave (women tend to have more health issues and are more likely to care for young children) are all part of that choice. But hey so long as you can drive 6 hours to have an abortion, you have "choice." Of course, if your pharmacist hadn't refused to sell you emergency contraception, you might not need an abortion, but his religious freedom to oppress you is more important than your control over your own body.

And I'm not surprised Dean is just now waking up. Many in the liberal establishment are just clueless, including Dean. One of the dumbest things I've seen was a panel with that chick from the Nation, Kristen van Whatever, at Emily's List. It was the day that Dean finally -FINALLY - said something about the sexist media coverage, after Hillary had conceded of course - and when she referenced it as if this was some great thing, Dean's name got booed. She actually seemed surprised that by it and asked if it was about Florida and Michigan. It clearly was not. Finally, someone explained to her that it was because Dean had sat silent until the primary was over and then acted like he suddenly discovered the sexism. To her credit, Salon's Rebecca Traister knew exactly why women were angry with Dean and the party.

I think it's telling about where the Democrats are headed that almost every single VP selection name floated has been hostile to many women's issues or has a lousy record. Biden with Anita Hill. Kaine, Hagel, and several others are anti-choice. Even if none of these people end up the nominee, I think it's telling that they don't care how it looks to women that the VP short list sucks on women's issues. They'd rather suck up to Rick Warren.

I've been saying for some time, we're entering a period of great promise and great danger for women in this country. Or rather we've been in one but it took Clinton's candidacy and the reaction to it (especially from some we thought of as allies on the "left") to wake many of us up to the fact that not only does the fight go on, but that all of our opponents don't have an (R) after their name.

And so I've just about had it with pious lectures from Democrats about how much worse McCain will be. A women's political action group separate from both parties that cares only about issues seems absolutely crucial to me. As Melissa McEwan noted when Kaine was picked to give the response to the SOTU (then the issue was his gay baiting and support for Virginia's noxious amendment stripping gay couples of rights):

Some of the commenters at Pam’s place are arguing, “Gay rights isn’t the only issue.” True enough. But let me respond to that notion with this: Taxation without representation was an important enough issue for this country to declare its independence and fight a Revolutionary War. Equal rights was an important enough issue for this country to split into two and fight a Civil War. If you enjoy representation and equality as a result, you need to take a long look in the mirror and consider what it means that you’ll gladly give up someone else’s rights to the same without a fight.

And if that still doesn’t make you give a flying shit about this, then consider instead that in the Dems’ move rightward as they chase an elusive victory, they’re willing to throw gays to the wolves—and women’s right to choice is next on the chopping block. Already we’re seeing Dems who support disastrous legislation like parental notification laws or are openly pro-life, if not explicitly anti-choice. What’s next? Who’s next? What will be your turning point before you finally stand up and say enough as enough?

If you’ve ever wondered why moderate Republicans and genuine conservatives didn’t do more to stop their party from disintegrating into the sorry state of hateful anti-Americanism it has become, maybe it was just because they were willing to sacrifice too much to win, and realized only after it was too late at what a steep cost such a victory comes.

You should turn this into a post, BDblue

Now that you've claimed the world's record for comment length.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

I don't see any issues clouding the intent of PUMAs

other than addressing the wrongs that transpired during the democratic primaries, including but limited to, caucus manipulation and the awarding of delegates. I speak for myself only.

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Which PUMAs? Which intent?

PUMAs are not robots, all of one mind. The overall PUMA agenda -- of speaking up about unfairness, misogyny, and ill-chosen candidates -- suits me fine.

But I'm not going to assume that all self-described PUMAs are well-intentioned (or correct in their methodology) any more than I'm going to say every Obama supporter is the opposite of that.

Not pure of heart, just intent. If I implied sacredness, I erre

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My strength is the strength of ten, because my heart is pure

Pure what, you ask?

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Agreed. Hence the "speaking for myself only" stuff. Nobody

should be saddled with my mind, it's brokey.

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I hope the 'New Agenda' takes off...

I have been so DEEPLY disappointed in the traditional, uh - so-called, women's groups this primary season. I'm not sure what they are standing for anymore. Certainly not anything that will make my life better or even anything that might make my daughter's life better when she grows up.

I think many of us have experienced our own pockets of sexism and misogeny during our lives, but somehow convinced ourselves that it was just THAT person or situation. This primary ripped those blinders away. To do nothing but fall in line? What can we possibly "hope" to "change" with that approach?

I wouldn't care if Rove was the ringleader of PUMA - it would still be the right battle. I suppose that is easy to say since I was there when the baby PUMA was born.

NARAL

anyone?

The poster child for why tying your issue to the success of a political party inevitably leads to losing the issue.

I'll Try, lambert

but real life is very busy right now (with good things thankfully, but life changes take time and energy even when they're good ones).

Despite the epic length of my last comment, it didn't address all the issues I wanted to. In case I don't get a chance to put it all together in a post, I would like to add a couple of thoughts about PUMAs, the New Agenda, and the nature of grassroots movements.

I think it's too early to judge whether the New Agenda is a grassroots movement or not. Just because the women involved have money and connections, doesn't necessarily mean it isn't grassroots. It appears that they are being driven to organize not by political parties or other corporate entities, but because as individuals they are upset and want to take action. That's grassroots is it not? Whether it stays that way, is another matter.

I have no idea whether the New Agenda or the PUMAs or any of these groups will grow into anything, so what I'm cheering is the fact that women (and some men) who were upset with the primary process are working towards figuring out how best to express that anger and change things. I'm particularly heartened to see women discussing how to organize and exercise political power. Not everyone will agree on the best way, especially this year, but I'm looking past the election and many of these women appear to be as well. How do you get both political parties to do more for women? Sure, the GOP is naturally hostile, but that doesn't mean that some gains can't be made or the damage lessened. We cannot simply rely on the Democrats as a party (as opposed to individual Dems) to provide some huge pushback can we?*

There will be some ratfucking in these new groups, but that's inevitable. Political parties always try to take advantage of the perceived weakness of their opponent. Why do you think Obama is sucking up to Warren? Because the CW is that McCain isn't strong with the evangelicals (I suspect the CW here is as wrong as it usually is, but the Dems love listening to it). The main thing that's heartening to me is that women are trying to do something. Whether it turns into anything or not, who knows, but I admire and respect the attempt.

And I do think this kind of loose affiliations is the best right now as people feel their way through this thing - trying to figure out who are their natural allies and what tactics they can agree on. Different folks will advocate different things and I suspect, as a result, different organizations or affiliations will shake out as a result (and during that shake out, I suspect a lot of the ratfuckers will be identified and fall by the wayside).

* If you do expect it, let me remind you that the Dems have shown no restraint in actively touting sexist assholes many of whom are hostile to reproductive freedom as potentially wonderful picks for VP, see e.g., Biden, Hagel, Kaine, while dissing Hillary Clinton. This is not some happy accident. It's a sign of which voters the Democratic Party cares about making happy.

+100 on loose affiliations

Here:

And I do think this kind of loose affiliations is the best right now as people feel their way through this thing - trying to figure out who are their natural allies and what tactics they can agree on. Different folks will advocate different things and I suspect, as a result, different organizations or affiliations will shake out as a result (and during that shake out, I suspect a lot of the ratfuckers will be identified and fall by the wayside).

I have a vague memory from the Lord of the Rings about the war between the Dwarfs and the Orcs, where the Orcs do something horrible to the Dwarf King, like use his head for a football, and when his son, now the new king, hears about it, he doesn't say a word for three days.

And then he gets up and says: "This cannot be borne," and organizes for war with the orcs.

Which is sort of how I ended up feeling, somewhere in this primary. "This cannot be borne." (No, I'm not saying "we" are the dwarves, and "they" are the Orcs, but trying to get at that feeling of a line being crossed.)

In the same way that it's not about Hillary any more, it's not really about Obama any more, except insofar as he exemplifies the direction in which the Democrat Party, and the Village, are going (which is why I'm hammering so hard on the post-partisan schtick right now).

What this is about... Is what we are trying to "feel our way through."

And that's why I don't worry so much about the "foily outliers." I'd worry a lot more if I could fit them into a Rovian or Axelrodian frame of a tiered architecture, with bottomfeeding swiftboaters at the bottom and the candidate floating serenely above it all.

But my reading of the threads doesn't support that. Instead, we've got a typical American phenomenon: People with cranky but strongly held views, some of which are just outright repugant. None of this compares, in scale, duration, intensity, focus or manufactured similarity with the Hillary Hatred and rank misogyny leveraged by the Obama campaign in the primaries, so I really can't see why people would worry about it. It's all going to come out in the wash -- and note, please, how a commitment to avoid truthiness is going to help that cleansing process. It attacks both the foily outsiders and cranks and the professionally constructed teired architectures.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

wow, what a great thread....

so much commenty goodness --especially BD's big comment (definitely post-worthy!)-- that I so much to say that I can't say anything!

It's Not About Obama

He's just the easiest to point to because he's on his way to being head of the party and, even if he somehow manages to lose in November, there will be another one behind him because that's what the party wants. He's the symbol for the larger problem, that's all.

BTW, if Obama falters, then I think Mark Warner will be up next. He's the next "rising star" and the keynote speaker this year.

I guess I hurt TChris' feelings at TalkLeft

He put up a post "Making Pay Equity a Campaign Issue" and I responded that:

"This campaign is about personalities, not issues.

If we wanted a campaign about issues, we would nominate Hillary.

If we wanted to win, we would nominate Hillary.

His response:

If you want to make it a campaign about issues start talking about issues and stop talking about the past.

I feel soooooo much better now that I've gotten over it. Thanks Chris!

/snark

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“I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” - Will Rogers

I never expected a photo

I never expected a photo with me in it to show up on a news site (save, perhaps, as part of an obituary). And, lo, what should I see, but an op-ed on AOL News using an image taken at the Democratic Platform Committee Meeting and originally posted on No Quarter. It's not exactly responsible journalism there, failing to caption and credit the photo. Ergo, allow me to do what the hack at AOL failed to: "Supporters of Hillary Clinton stand together at the David L. Lawrence Convention Center in Pittsburgh before the Democratic Platform Committee convenes. Photo by ProudMilitaryMom."

Speaking only for myself, I can say that I am not a republican - merely a thoroughly disgusted Democrat.

Hey illusionofjoy, you went!

And got your pic in the news (is that reward or punishment?)! How about a link?

So glad you were there while I was off duty.

Policy not party!

Policy not party!

gob - Re: Platform Committee Meeting

This is the No Quarter post where that photo was originally published. This is what I wrote about the meeting in my personal journal.

Illusionofjoy, would you please crosspost that report here?

This is absolutely key data on the fight against the caucus system!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Lambert...

Your wish is my command.

The Agenda should include the ERA

Whatever happened to the E.R.A.?

Since there are other elements of the Constitution that are obviously being currently disregarded, an amendment may seem only symbolic.

But it would be a positive symbol.

Then the guys can say "okay, lady, you got your rights, NOW what do you want?"

Then we can show them the rest of the agenda.

I mean, really, there are regular proposals to amend the constitution to ban flag burning, define marriage as heterosexual and other b.s.

Why has no one re-introduced the ERA?

The ERA Was Removed From the Democratic Platform in 2004

Although it's supposedly in the draft of this year's (I haven't seen the draft so I don't know). Of course, at this point it's pretty meaningless since no one ever mentions it or campaigns for it. Yet another thing the Democrats gave up in order to be "pragmatic."

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