All you non-coffee drinking communists---I mean, people

Waste Coffee Grounds Offer New Source Of Biodiesel Fuel.

I told you coffee was the bestest beverage ever and now all of science agrees with me.

Now get off yer butt and brew yourself a pot. The planet isn't going to save itself, you know---it doesn't know how to work the grinder.

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woo!

i've always thought garbage should make good fuel in general--and god knows we have tons and tons of it. And there are already people using grease from cooking oil to run their cars, too.

(maybe because of Back to the Future -- that Mr. Fusion thing ?)

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YES!!!

Starbucks, are you listening? (I do coffee at home; coffee grounds and egg shells are prime components for compost around roses and other acid-loving plants, btw).


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

So do I, Sarah--but I dry out my coffee grounds, in the oven if

it's being used, before mixing the ground eggshells into the coffee grounds. Just struck me that drying may change how well it acts as compost?

Any thoughts?

Great article! The municipalities will have to add coffee ground recycling pickups to their other recycling!

Speaking of which, I was dropping off leaves for composting at the town recycling center and saw a metal shelving unit which I could use in by gotty basement. I asked if I could take it--and was told the town is now considering removal of any articles from the dump and recycing center to be theft of town property!!! Guy told me there was a camera, but he wouldn't stop me.

Bet that new interpretation was put in place when the price paid for junk metals and even plastics and newspapers was sky high. Now, iirc, townships are once again having to pay to have it taken away or are getting very little for their recyclables.

Hey! If the cities won't offer curbside coffee grounds pick up, maybe a new form of rag men (and women) will develop, with people going around to pick up the coffee grounds. Of course, that worked when people worked at home or there were housewives or servants there to make the rags, etc., accessible to the rag man....

Hard times comin'--might work!

Heh, you can always spot the caffeine addicts

They're the first ones to post.

The article goes onto say the after squeezing the coffee grounds of all their oil, what's left is used as compost. (Coffee grounds are great for vermiculture, too, though the worms get awfully active. Wonder what that's about. Snicker.)

I wonder how big a squasher you need to do this. I ask half in jest and half not in jest---we have around, oh, I'd guess, five billion coffee places in a twenty mile radius of where I'm sitting right now. Most of them give away their coffee grounds to gardeners, but there's still a lot left. If I could find a squasher with a high enough PSF, I could probably do this in my backyard.

There's a fairly extensive homegrown biodiesel infrastructure here---Albert, the guy who did our grading, has his entire fleet on biodiesel and he was involved in the biodiesel co-op. I'm not big on Bio-D simply because taking food away from hungry people so I can drive around in my truck seems not fair to me, but I'm damn sure willing to look at just about any other method of making fuel that is storable. (Storability is the big challenge with hydrogen and electricity. Or as we say at my house, the "Goddammit, these battteries are dead!" challenge.)

Garbage fermentation is another one, though I'm a wee bit less enthusiastic about that purely because of the gross-out factor. Funny, manure doesn't bother me in the least, but pawing though your garbage like a crazed racoon? Ick.

Mmm, know what sounds good? A latte. A guilt-free, fuel injected latte.

Oh, and since we're going to have to gin up our coffee drinking for the good of all, we better get a calming beverage in the works or no one will ever sleep again. Ah ha! My argument for industrial hemp has just gotten even more powerful.

Coffee and hemp. It's the circle of life.

(P.S. You all know what a corn maze is, right? Local farmers cut a maze in the cornfields after harvest and charge parents money to drag their bratty children through 'em? Anyway, Albert told me that when he was in the Netherlands a couple years ago, he went through a hamp maze. My response, "A hamp maze. Right. Three feet long with a bag of Doritios hanging just out of reach. Hippies get caught in there for hours." He thought this was hilarious, which made me wonder about his relatiionship with the hemp, if you know what I mean.)

instead of subsidies to corn growers,

we should give tax breaks or rebates if Starbucks and Dunkin and all coffee chains set up systems to get all their used grounds to companies that will turn them into biodiesel.

fast food places with their grease too.

Too obvious a solution

Would never work, even if it is practical and doable.

While we're at it, I'd like to see less packaging and for the stuff that *must* be packaged, biodegradable packaging materials. I'd be happy to see tax breaks given for companies who adopt that sort of thing.

Only tyrants rig elections.

If I never see or feel styrofoam "peanut" packing material again

I might die happy.

Those things are evil--float around and then stick to things with static cling. Bad, bad stuff.

For awhile, some shippers were using biodegradable "peanuts" which I could toss ito the garden or on the yard and they'd decompose in the rain. Neat.

cornstarch-based biodegradable

lightweight polymers; yeah, I remember when those were all the rage for shopping bags and fast-food containers (what was that, 2002?)


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

Et tu, Ohio

I remember going to a protest march in 2002 (or 2003) and being lectured by the "pro-hemp lobby" about how hemp will solve all of the worlds problems. Seriously, all of the problems, from sewage and waste to peace on earth.

Only tyrants rig elections.

Coffee ground collections

in addition to trash, yard waste, and recyclables...

Cities like Seattle could probably power most, if not all of their vehicles off the biodiesel. Could end up even paying for itself. Too obvious to try, though.

Only tyrants rig elections.

it should be doable w/ all organic waste, no?

composting releases tons of heat and energy, so why can't that be converted like solar and wind and water is?

for electricity if not fuel.

Energy from compositing is used

To grow more food. For example, dig a ditch, chuck in a heap of hot compost or manure, cover it up, plant a heat-loving plant like tomatoes or watermelon over it and extend the growing season. Or get your starts started earlier, esp. if you combine it with a cold-frame. Guess that would be a lukewarm frame. Anyway, when the ground over the compost/manure cools down, you know you can either turn the soil or plant right over it with plants you usually plant.

amber, I vow to have you planting a garden, even if in a bucket. I'll entice you with the thrill of sprouting things. I reckon if I'm going to persuade you to give it a try, I should stop mentioning things like "manure," though. or at least try to redefine manure as something other than what it is...Huh. That won't work. Shit is shit and calling it something else doesn't make it smell prettier.

How about if I try guilt? Say, "For evey tomato plant you fail to plant, a neocon gets a blow job."

Ha. Bet that'll work.

We're looking into the industrial hemp thing. While technically not illegal to grow hemp, you need a DEA permit and have to do a lot of stuff to even be considered. I don't think they've ever granted one, but one of the fab GF's brothers is a fed agent and we're going to see if he knows anyone in the DEA we can talk to.

For the record, I make hemp jokes because, well, I think they're funny, but the restriction on industrial hemp is retarded and should be pointed to and laughed at at every opportunity. Hemp is a beneficial plant that can grow just about anywhere. it doesn't need special care and the products derived range from the food you eat to the toilet paper you use to---finish the eating process.

I've eaten hemp seeds, but I've never drunk hemp milk, which, Albert informs me, when mixed with chocolate is "hippie crack."

Okay, so how big a squasher do I need for this coffee ground thing? Can I use the same one I suggested we could squash the old people with? Oh, come on, I'll clean it off between uses. I have a hose.

My neighbor has a a 20-ton press. I wonder if I could just mash them through something like a cheese press and then separate oil from liquid and any other crap.

GQ, you're a scientist. Does this sounds all scientific-y to you?

Seriously, I might just have to try this.

when i was little, we grew cherry tomatoes in a windowbox

outside a kitchen window -- that's still my only outside option for growing anything--and my super's very tough about using the fire escape.

(and where i live now is tons of traffic and soot--i'm near the Lincoln Tunnel, and my windowsills always get coated in black stuff continually-- it may be too polluted here and/or unsafe to eat anything)

Boston Planning Compost Energy Facility

Lots of potential benefits, including not having to use gas to haul garbage outside the city.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

that's what i mean exactly--

thanks!

but I want to squash stuff now

And that facility is only at the conceptual and planning stages.

Honestly, just when I thought you truly understood me, BDB.

I'm very easy to understand: Instant gratification isn't fast enough. And instant coffee is a crime.

Hey, ohio! Coffee oil ...

my guess would be it would depend on the form of the beans, and post-brew ground beans probably are less indestructible than pre-brew whole beans. So a (less intense) squasher.
here's one link:
http://www.coffee-tea.co.uk/oil-biodiesel.php


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

Sarah, I agree and thanks for article

I wonder if the brewing process loosens up the oils any. I may have to be scientific, or I could just start squashing stuff and see what happens.

I wonder if I could make soap out of coffee oil as well. The article you cite mentions that---saponification as a byproduct of biodiesel process---but I wonder if I could brew up a batch of soap that used coffee oil. Maybe as the scent only. I'll have to experiement.

I was going to try the old way of making lye water with wood ashes and rainwater for soap anyway, so I reckon I could mix up some with coffee oil.

And I wonder if coffee oil performs better than WVO straight in the tank without further processing.

Provided I can squash enough to make it worthwhile.

Great. Two more projects to add to my list of shit to do.

meanwhile, a "clean" coal ad using Obama's words

just aired on CNN.

(like the Prop 8 haters used his words)

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On NBC, report of kudu to kudzenol-10 gals/acre! Cost $1/gal!!

Report on garage inventor's work with kudzu.

Updated to include cost of production of $1/gal. Beauty is the kudzu needs to cut anyway...

Cool on the kudzu thing

I have an idea for using the Himalayan blackberry brambles we have invading everywhere here, but more for fiber or paper. Google whispers seductively that kudzenol.com is run by Agro*Gas in Tennessee.

From a crappy website, http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforu...

"Mr. Mizell, a locksmith who has spent most of his 54 years tinkering, was not about to throw in the towel in his fight, not into a patch of weeds anyway.

Kudzu is a plant. It's full of natural sugars just like corn. It thrives in the South. So, what if you distilled the stuff?

On a Cleveland hillside, Mr. Mizell and wife, Sue, harvested lots of kudzu.

"Oh, yes, we got some strange looks," his wife admitted.

The vines went into a chipper and then home and into a food processor. Then "Moonshine 101" came in. Mr. Mizell rigged a still on his mother's patio. The resulting 80-proof liquid, he said, smells like rum.

Five gallons of kudzu mash equals a half gallon of ethanol. But Mr. Mizell thinks he can improve the yield with some better equipment.

"That thing over there," he pointed to the still, "is much like the African Queen, leaking and belching steam..."

Just as computer chips made Silicon Valley in California, Mr. Mizell figures the smothering vine can turn East Tennessee into Cellulose Valley and help keep corn in the food chain.

He and business partner Tom Monahan attended the state's first BioTenn Conference earlier this year. Now that he has proven kudzu can become ethanol, Mr. Mizell is looking for a grant, or an investor, to build a more sophisticated distillery.

"With a brush cutter, a wood chipper and a homemade still I can produce a barrel of fuel for under $80." "

Run my car and I can make rum drinks with it?

It's a Christmas miracle.

Clean coal my big butt. Criminey, I get angry about this fast. Bet the coal people are pretty happy now that unions have been crushed.

Cool on you finding this site and info--thnx.

Uh, can rum be made economically in Oregon? Isn't a bit far from the raw materials?

Can ethanol-- er, kudzenol --be imbibed?

BTW, a barrel of oil (42 gallons) of crude oil, when refined, yields approximately 19.6 gallons of finished motor gasoline. The remainder of the barrel yields distillate fuel oil, residual fuel oil, jet fuel, and other products. So, the projected $1/gal must be if using a more efficient distilling unit...right? The home brew would be about $1.90/gal.

Want to run a still? You need a permit

And you have to promise not to drink what you distill because that would be wrong.

I found someone who builds and sells little stills from Kennewick, Washington---we're in WA state, so that is buying local. http://www.fueldistillation.com/

(Appears like you can use the still for doing all kinds of things, like distilling essential oils. Neat.)

Funny, the first distillery in about a hundred years just opened in Eastern Washington. I guess they make a vodka---makes sense since we're so close to Idaho. I haven't head it, but a pal of mine says it's pretty good.

As far as the kudzu...well, there is the yeast, sugar, and distilled water. And what you do with the mash after you've sucked it dry. But I don't know sweet FA about any of this other than that yeast and sugar and water will make just about anything ferment.

Okay, so I need to squash some coffee grounds and build a still. And find out about this industrial hemp thingie. If I can do any of this without blowing myself or getting arrested, woo-hoo. I am proof that the road to calling the fire department starts http//...

(And I go back to working on the house on Wednesday. Yay! I haven't hammered or sawed or busted anything in a month.)

not a still! you need a

biodiesel kit. the ones I know about all use waste veggie oil, and you can't really mistake them for stills. Meth labs, yeah, the cops will get all postal over a WVO rig in your garage / backyard, unless you can show them your input and your output, and they still may be all hinky about it with you.

Grow hemp? Hellfire and damnation, ohio, you can get busted in this town for having a potted hibiscus, if it hasn't bloomed yet!!

Sigh. Good old blood-red West damn right wingnut Texas....


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

A still for the kudzunol or blackberryohol or whatever

ethanol for E85/Flexfuel mixture from whatever organic material, yeast, sugar, and water we decide to make.

Coffee, alcohol, hemp, soap---what are we missing? Well, I am thinking of figuring out a way to get fiber from the blackberry brambles or at least pulp for papermaking as they are an invasive nuisance and can take down trees if you don't cut them back.

I'm not real interested in biodiesel manufacture, though straight veg-based oil use interests me. Need a duel tank set up to start the engine and get the fuel up to temp, right? If I squash the coffee grounds from the coffee we drink, I'll be able to get enough coffee oil to drive to the Espresso Connection to get a latte.

If we get to grow industrial hemp for feedstock, fiber, and food, I have to squash the seeds for the oil, to be drunk or used in an engine.

Biodiesel is pretty common here, so there's not much chance the deputies will get too upset seeing a rig. We know a lot of them, anyway, and they know us--"The lesbians who bought the drunk's place who just built that crazy strawbale house. Not the lesbians who bought Cliffords' place and don't know how to keep it landscaped, not the lesbians with the alpacas. The crazy straw bale lesbians. They live next door to The Arm Lopper."

It's a small place.

And no wonder your hibiscus gets busted if it goes around all potted all day. I mean, you have to call a halt to imbibing at some point. Unless by "poted" you mean that other kind of hemp.

The kind that leads to Doritos.

I'm contributing in my own way

Well, ohio, the only coffee I consume is in tiramisu, and I don't think tea has the requisite oils. I put that in compost. But I promise, as soon as those people in California work out how to make cat poop into energy, I'll be a major contributor.

Still having fun trying to suss out where you live. I'm in South King. Someday I want to see the eco-house.

lillianjane, cat poop is a cause of energy production

You know, running away when it's time to clean the catbox. That takes energy.

I approve of coffee-flavored cake, but I also approve of coffee-flavored breakfast cereal and coffee-flavored asparagus because that is part of the magic that is me. Coffee goes with everything is my motto.

We're between Monroe and Sultan. Go to Monroe and stand at the corner of Old Owen and Highway 2, across from the Monroe Espresson Connection at the Chevron station and by the Bank of America where the armored truck was robbed by D.B. Tuber, and just start yelling for me. I'll come down and you can follow me to the back of beyond where our house is. Otherwise, you will never find us.

Oh, and how are you with a shovel? If you suck at shoveling, how are you with a broom? If you suck at sweeping, how are you at carrying an endless stack of things? If you suck at carrying, how are you at buying donuts?

If you suck at buying donuts, well, there's no hope.

Where the armored truck was robbed

Was this the one where the robber posted an ad for contractors on craigslist, to confuse witnesses, and fled on an intertube?

Cuz, if so, it made number one on this list, 5 Real Bank Heists Ripped Right Out Of The Movies

I just read about it the other day, and thought it was some of the most insane shit EVAH! WTF do they feed you people? :D

He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond

Yeppers, Aeryl---D.B. Tuber, or Toober if you prefer

Dude's going to the fed penitentiary, though, for many years.

When I first heard about D.B.'s robbery technique, both me and the fab GF feared it was Ryan, except Ryan was still in the pokey. First time I was glad for that, let me tell you.

It's not that we're fed stuff that makes us, unusual, it's just, well, I think if you live out here, you tend to be a little unusual anyway. Plus we have a huge problems with drink, meth, and chronic unemployment. The schools just suck and there is no public transportation. Young folk may or may not be able to find work beyond driving for Domino's.

OTOH, most of the folks here are just great.

If we could just get the industrial hemp/coffee squashing industries going here...