Fri, 10/10/2008 - 1:03pm — vastleft
One of the saddest outcomes of the many cry-wolf hakas practiced throughout the campaign is the lost ability to rationally assume that what we're hearing from lefty blogs is accurate.
The current buzz is that McCain and Palin are deliberately fomenting racist and even anti-Communist hate against right-leaning "centrist
" Barack Obama.After the trumped-up claims, such as that Palin said God is on our side in Iraq and that she threatened to attack Russia, or that McCain thinks $5 million a year is the threshold for being wealthy, and after seeing faked video of Mickey Kantor dissing Hoosiers and completely manufactured stories about Hillary rooting for Obama to be assassinated, my initial responses are set to skepticism.
So, while I watch a video like this with disgust, I also have to wonder about its legitimacy. And that sucks, when I can't trust us.
(h/t)
Update:
See comment here, which shows one good piece of data that the McCain campaign is, indeed, pushing race hate.
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I did an experiment the other day
that River Daughter wrote about. It was totally scientific but revealing nonetheless. I googled the words Palin + c+nt and got around 308,000 hits. This is interesting because Palin's only been in the public eye about 6 weeks and of course, some of those entries have nothing to do with her. I should add the top his that came was Jessica's post about how Palin fills her with blind fury and that a feminist friend of hers felt like she wanted to "merk that idiotic c+nt". Obama does bring out the hate. Then I googled Hillary + c+nt and got around 900,000 - interesting because she's been getting called that for over a decade. Then I googled Obama - n+gger, and I got 500,000 hits. So, Palin has racked up more than half of the hits with namecalling in six weeks that Obama has racked up in almost two years.
No one is uglier than Obama supporters this year - they are as angry and hateful as Bush supporters after 9/11.
If we are the ones we have been waiting for, then we have met the enemy and he is us.
I saw that analysis
I'm not sure what to make of it, though. For one thing, there may be a lot of false positives, for example someone criticizing Citizens United Not Timid and someone criticizing those who would attack Obama with racial epithets.
It was an observation, not an analysis.
Scroll through the pages on Palin - it's just page after page of hate. Just really bizarre. A lot of young feminists seem to buy into the idea that repeating misogynist screeds against women they don't proves that they are, indeed, feminists.
If we are the ones we have been waiting for, then we have met the enemy and he is us.
the people are for real....
...they are just edited to look bad.
One wonders whether there was provocation involved as well. The presence of "protestors" across the street certainly increases that possibility, doesn't it?
You Can Find Someone To Say Anything
including anything stupid or hateful. So I'd say they're probably for real, but that it doesn't mean much in terms of voting since I doubt most of these people ever vote for Dems.
The main fear I have is that Obama should win and will win, but will he be declared the winner? The focus on all those allegedly racist blue collar workers will give the media an excuse for some weird vote outcomes. It's not Diebold or GOP fraud, it's voter racism that didn't show up in all those polls. Now, don't get me wrong, there will be people who won't vote for Obama because he's black and there may even be people who lie about that (although do you really think any of these folks in the video wouldn't tell a pollster that they were voting for McCain), but given Obama's current lead, I think the only way he will lose is through voter fraud. It's just now the media will have its storyline to explain the fraud away. Like the surge of evangelical voters in rural Ohio in 2004.
And worse...
.. it was the Obama campaign itself that propagated the Brady Effect right after the NH primary, as part of smearing Clinton supporters as racist in preparation for SC. Along with false charges of vote stealing and fraud in both NH and NV. Well done, all.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Brady or Bradley Effect?
Just asking.
Cause you know, one's a floor wax, and the other's a dessert topping.
In a perfect world, it'd be great to have all the votes cast as they were earned, but that would not be in the best interest of the Democratic party. - DNC supporter after the 2008 roll call
Bradley Bunch
I wrote in haste, thanks for correcting.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
That's the point concerning anecdotal evidence
You can find examples of anything. That doesn't prove its prevalence.
I recall a similar sort of video being used during the primaries to "prove" that Hillary supporters (in PA? I can't recall and I'm too bummed to search for it now) were racist.
Unfortunately, our brains are designed to respond strongly to anecdotes.
[Gah. I'm going to go out in the nice sunny day and let the sunshine bleach my brain.]
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
I don't know if they're real
A lot of them are wearing sunglasses, etc. If they are real, they are using standard fringe right-wing talking points.
The "Get a Job" stuff seemed odd and so dated.
Also, a few of them seemed to be using satire...
it is not crying wolf
they are inciting violence, and once Obama wins it is going to get worse. No matter what you think of Obama and his fan base, the hysterical nature of the current Republican campaign cannot be ignored. It is creating a very dangerous atmostphere in the country and I had hopped that CorrenteWire would have raised its voice against it.
What is the best evidence that the McCain/Palin campaign is...
... pushing it?
It just seems to be rather conveniently coming to the fore, and I want to know if it's sourced to the vileness and desperation of the McCain camp or the vileness and desperation of the people who made similar (and false) accusations about Hillary Clinton.
I'd say a little skepticism is well-earned, but if this issue is well and honestly documented, I'll absolutely raise my voice against it.
After Obama supporters spread the fake war room video...
... in the primary, I want clear sourcing ("provenance") on every video that isn't like, from, C-SPAN.
A YouTube video, and five bucks will get you a lattee, so far as I'm concerned.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Yup.
Agree with you 100%. It is dangerous and cannot be ignored. Just listen for a few hours to your local right-wing radio.
But the moral of the story...
... of the boy crying wolf is that when the wolf finally came, the boy was not believed.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
The problem is
it's so easy for some to mock or make fun or impersonate others of the voters. Some voters, though well-meaning, listen to biased sources. (Not all are well-meaning.)
But this kind of filming (if real) is not designed to create conversations or correct impressions. If you are out there, protesting and having your say, what not say the truth and let some of these voters know the facts? Why not try to find some common ground? (hint: the economy!) What was the purpose other than to say to others via youtube that these PA voters were ignorant, ugly low information voters?(as some other blogs referred to the vid--sorry I refuse to link.)
Edited to question
What do you think incites violence the worst in this video?
How do you answer comments?
Can people in these two situations talk?
Filmer/protesters and angry people waiting to hear other party.
Clivk on the reply button, and set for threaded viewing
i can haz hillary nao?
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
- Thomas Jefferson
McCain and Palin
they keeping screaming terrorist, terrorist, terrorist at every opportunity, they know the consequences that has.
No they Obama campaign is not stirring this up, this has real consequences for them, like violence. It is not just against Obama, it could be against anyone who supports him. A man was shot just for wearing an Obama T Shirt.
There are a lot of very nasty racsist who cannot deal with the fact that the next American President is going to be black. Remember when that insane guy crashed his plane into the White House to kill Clinton? Well it is going to be even worse with Obama.
And McCain and Palin are doing all they can to fan the flames. Just because Obama cried wolf in the primary doesn't mean there isn't REALLY a wolf this time.
Crying wolf in the primary...
...was one of many problems with Obama's campaign. To shoot a man for wearing an Obama shirt is a horrifying act which should be condemned. That is pure racism, reprehensible and vile. However, the word "racism" is now used for those who merely disagree with or criticise Obama, which weakens the term and removes the necessary sting when it is applied to something truly awful.
You do remember what the moral of the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf is, don't you? Sound the alarm too many times and people stop responding.
Oops, I put my follow-up comments in the wrong thread
See here (including Sarah's reply, etc.):
http://www.correntewire.com/shark_not_ju...
they always gin up the hate--always
this is not new--and it's not because of Obama--no matter who the nominee is, they do it.
Why?
do they do that?
bec it's easier to run "against" than to run "for"
--ever since Goldwater and Nixon, the GOP always runs on hate and making the opponents evil and unAmerican.
It's like negative ads--they always always work.
And it's also like ABB-Anyone but Bush gets spread, and the way our side uses "look how bad the other side is"/"they'll force women to be barefoot and pregnant"/etc as a strategy each time too.
Because those that lean Republican
Tend to like to hate someone. Fighting is a past time to them. It's part of the mind set: they must have someone to direct their anger and fear at.
It's kind of a free floating anxiety problem, that fight or flight thing, and they want to feel like they can fight because it seems more courageous than running.
I'm thinking that, as a white person myself who has been around many right wingers, they know in their hearts that whites are a minority in the world - so they feel both special and threatened by everyone else. It seems like there is a feeling of betrayal at any whites that don't stick with other whites - an us against the world feeling that they feel that the whites that are liberals are not understanding properly.
So, they react with anger and loathing to anyone that doesn't think and look like they do, because to them it's life or death for the entire white race (even though there really isn't any such thing, we are all just human beings, and about 1/3 of the whites have black in them anyway).
I'm sure there is more than that, but it is at least one reason that is obvious.
Thank goodness us Democrats aren't h8rs
The deference shown to Mrs. Clinton by those who didn't prefer her has been a thing of pride to us all!
It is what the Republicans are like
ever since Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion hate is the only thing they ever had.
Imagine my chagrin...
...when bloggers I liked and trusted started to accuse me and my cobloggers of being racists. Even among the non-obamaphiles, you can get thrown out to the vultures.
It would be nice if we could stop defining this race through the lens of racism. Why don't we focus on the rampant corruption of the Obama campaign? Why don't we talk about the slimy psychological warfare and peer pressure of Obama's DFA wing?
Now, even Krugman has joined the bandwagon. Apparently, if you don't like Obama it's because you long for the good old days of Ronald Reagan. That one shocked me. I was a student during the Reagan years, from a working class family, first in my college to go to college and relying on grants and loans to get through it. I have NOTHING good to say about Reagan and have no desire to go back to those days. But do I blame McCain supporters for being angry about the media shoving another inexperienced lightweight down my throat during a period of economic crisis? You'd have to be crazy *not* to be angry about that.
Yeah, we can't trust our own side. It sucks.
Come together at The Confluence
Come together at The Confluence
There's certainly a racial subtext to this ad
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/a...
It's not incitement to violence, per se, but it's rather ominously playing the race card, implying that Obama is a dangerous urban radical who forced banks to make minority loans ... the same kind of loans that, it says, brought on the current financial crisis.
Pretty fucking scurrilous.
so was Clinton and Kerry and Dukakis and Mondale and...
this is not new or different.
What is new and different...
... is Democrats using the charge against Democrats.
I mean, I give up. I'm just going to embrace my inner racist and go on with my life. Whatever.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
that's true and the lasting horrible legacy of Obama's campaign
--unless he gets elected and inherits this mess, of course.
/dons flame suit/ FAT! WHITE AND FAAAT! SOFT AND PALE AND FAT!
Phaaaat!
I can keep going.
i shouldn't. but if you're asking me: what strikes me about this? um? the phat, white, soft, conformity of these unthinking slaves? well, it's that they're um, old. and unhealthily fat.
just sayin.
there are a lot of Cambell's calories that won't be there, in the next, say, ten years and one generation, if you take my meaning. march now, while you still can (heh). don't think your meth addictied streetwalking nephew is going to rush back from boston or chicago to whore out the $ to pay for your care, now that the "evil" gummit won't, and that she-male is all you have left in the world. ya dig?
/edges up under CD's flame suit/
One of the first things I notice when I come back to this country is how many of the phat there are. And it's horrible because, sheesh, it's another -ism, and also because it's easy to get fat when your poor, because poor people aren't going to be going to the French Laundy -- and no, that is not a covert reference to the she-male nephew -- to eat a healthy salad of baby greens any time soon.
Bottom line is that we can hope that many things that make us unhappy are creatively destroyed!
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
hehe I missed you Lambert
I really think the Cthulu thing though needs to be changed....to Ursula from Little Mermaid fame.
I really thought that Palin has been holding her own. I am not sure what the deal is with Biden, why did he cry? That is just odd. Is the stress of the election getting to him?
"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," --Bill Clinton
http://www.correntewire.com/ye_olde_writ... fiction link
I Was hoping someone was going to post on this.
I've yet to read everyone elses responses, but I've been watching some of McCain's rally's on television, and maybe it's because the media is only showing controversial ones, but they are starting to get scarier and scarier and it's really been bothering me. Many of them do have very real racial and nationalistic overtones.
Of the ones I've seen, McCain, if anything, has been trying to calm these angry crowds. Of the ones I've seen, he looks visibly uncomfortable and embarrassed.
Again, I'm not sure if it's editing, but it really doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that the GOP are very disappointed in McCain's campaign, and they should be, although for obviously different reasons than they are.
Plain folk and trees gotta love `em
Am I the only one that sees the correlation between the hippie generation nearing retirement age and the resurgence of a manufactured "going back to the glory days" of stirring things up.
it seems as if that generation(hipsters) cling to racial stereotyping as if 50 years later this generation of Americans know what the hell anyone is talking about except 1 thing...it is a tool to get what you want
Women are still on the low road with looks keeping us from being able to rise in ranks, or allowing us to rise in ranks. Either way, not everyone is designed to be Angeline Jolie.
This web site of a traditionally female job : librarianship offers us female stereotyping at its best:
http://www.msdewey.com/
I have nothing against good looking women... just like I have nothing against people...I just happen to like a greater proportion of plain folk and trees. More interesting to talk to and gives great shade.
Maybe toss in a few dudes wearing codpieces while you are at it.
This quote sums up what I've been thinking about this whole election:
"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," --Bill Clinton
http://www.correntewire.com/ye_olde_writ... fiction link
Indeed
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi