
Jack Crow has it exactly right. And so Matt Yglesias -- "The Cost Of A Demobilized Left" -- has it exactly wrong.
Generally, I'm not a "worse is better" kind of guy. However, if Obama had decided to keep the OFA intact, instead of demobilizing it, I think the only thing different would be more conversion narratives from a new set of fresh-faced innocents. I think a lot more of us know where we really are now. So when you think about it, President Fuck
You really did us all a big favor.
On "mobilization" .... I'm revisiting my posts on Tahrir Square, and there are at least two consistent threads from the commentariat: One is the demand for a leader (implicitly, "Who do we negotiate with?") and the other is great frustration because the occupiers were making their own decisions, en masse , about when to march and where (implicitly, "We've got producers to answer to!"). The equivalents here seem to be "Why don't they dress for success?" (implicitly, why don't they adopt our cultural and class markers) and "What are their demands?" (implicitly, "What's the payoff?") There seems to be little regard for letting a process take place, organically.
Let's all do what we can and are fitted for, and relax a bit.
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Thanks, Lambert.
It's also perhaps fitting that Yglesias closes out his arrow-in-foot moment with a footnote again blaming Nader for the election of Bush.*
It's like the numbers, poll results, voting totals and figures are unavailable to him.
* - my own footnote: Gore would not have been significantly better than Bush, especially with regards to the big ticket projects: Iraq, greenwashing, bailouts, militarization and other "humanitarian" wars. At best, eight years of Gore would have set the ground for McCain to take the blame for economic collapse.
So I keep thinking about
all these TELL US YOUR DEMANDS ALREADY types as horny, frustrated teenage boys who haven't developed any anticipation skills and the OWS folks as the more mature types who can appreciate the value of delaying gratification. Who are the adults again, and who the kids?
Yea, they definitely
Feel like people who don't understand the value of FOREPLAY.
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond
Facts not in evidence. At all.
You just had to blow it with the Nader love. Falling right in Yglesias's trap. When I read this Nader apologist, Gore would ave been as bad as Bush crap, it turns me cold on the rest of what anyone has to say. Let's move forward from here and agree on different views of that long ago history. It's nothing but a divider.
In reply to Jack Crow.
Sorry, I don't fall in love with politicians. I'm not that desperate.....
Don't Vote
I don't vote. I didn't support Nader. I don't love Nader. The numbers still don't lie. Ralph Nader did not cost Gore - a supporter of the Iraq and Afghan invasions, a supporter of the bailouts, a supporter of the established order, a supporter of big oil and big finance, a conservative woman hater for most of his career - the election.
Again, facts not in evidence
If you are going to continue to make these accusations, provide evidence.
Regarding his supporting the Iraq Invasion, unless you are deliberately conflating the first one, in this speech prior to the AUMF Gore specifically and very publicly warns against not only the Iraq invasion, but the whole concept of preventive war which was at the heart of Bush's policy. He was roundly rebuked for even weighing in on it. So I think I can safely say you are wrong there.
Regarding supporting big oil here is an interview in 2008:
Regarding bailouts:
Regarding big finance:
I know it's a feel-good bromide to get in some good Al Gore dissing to win some anti-Dem purity points, but please try to back it up with some evidence. Gore and Bush were not the same.
Sorry, I don't fall in love with politicians. I'm not that desperate.....
People See What They Want to See
Gore's parsing some words, with positive support for the over all programs. Some people see that as Not-Bush.
I see the son of Occidental and his years as a DLCer and conservative, a proponent of NAFTA, an architect of the murder of a million Iraqis (sanctions, no-fly zone), a greenwasher in bed with GE, and one more of the same.
Some liberals still see the Not-Bush.
Next they'll tell me Hillary wouldn't have invaded Libya or sat mum during Cast Lead.
Anyway, technocrat Gore:
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gor...
Shorter: "If we're gonna do Iraq, let's make sure we can still kill people elsewhere."
Yglesis tossed the apple of discord
Funny, that.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi