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Today's slew of "Democrats In Disarray" columns offer yet more proof of the time-honored axiom: there is nothing a Dem can do to avoid being attacked by the Right Wing and the Beltway punditocracy.

Even the candidate that has embraced the Unity Pony (the absolute fabrication that the problem with Washington is excessive partisanship) doesn't get a pass:

Mr. Obama's call for postpartisanship looks unconvincing, when he is unable to point to a single important instance in his Senate career when he demonstrated bipartisanship.

But also the candidate whose family has been attacked relentlessly for the past 15 years:

Clinton had seeded doubts about her own character long before this campaign began through her record as a polarizing figure, her secrecy and her obvious prevarications.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Never. Ever.

They are one of the most destructive forces in the country. And I'm not above admitting part of my initial Clinton support came from imagining the Village having to watch Hillary Fucking Clinton being sworn in as the 44th President of the United States. See what your Bush love got you? A country so fucked up, Hillary Clinton could be elected president.

What can I say? I'm a small, petty, petty person. But then you already knew that.

And I almost feel sorry for Obama and what he's going to get sent his way when the media turn on him. The only question is when will they turn on him? My guess is either the moment he knocks Hillary out or the moment they realize he's probably not going to knock Hillary out.

I think he gets maybe one more try. If he can't beat Hillary soundly in Indiana and NC (I think he will in NC), then I predict the media - all those fawning pundits - will try to destroy him. He'll be the girly man who couldn't beat Hillary. Because, really, the only thing they've asked for in return for their love is that he beat the bitch. If he's not up to the task, they're happy to move on and let McCain try to do it. They've always known he was a real man (mostly because they have no idea what a real man is, since most of them are boys themselves).

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i actually think the overt and overwhelming media bias for Obama has been hurting him with millions--it's automatically very suspicious for any Dem to be getting so much media love

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Submitted by Aeryl on

Over at TL, you said this

"That every time the MSNBC Frat Boys let out their inner misogynists, five more women vote for Hillary and ten more give her money.

Just a rumor, of course."

I think there is a grain of truth to this. The Ghost of Violet Socks did a wonderful "fairy tale" of Clinton's upset win in NH. I think this is a larger factor than anyone realizes, and would ensure our success in Nov.

But I'm just a girl. ;)

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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At least by democrats. They can only use the media if they can create a backlash like we've seen happen with Clinton. In addition to NH, I believe the media misogyny is one reason why, despite all of Obama's consecutive wins, women have never abandoned her. While I can't prove it, I think the media has been a huge asset in holding Clinton's base together.

This is why I ultimately believe Clinton could be a stronger candidate in terms of the media this Fall. It's not that they won't try to destroy her, it's that they hate her so much they won't be able to control themselves or hide it. Dems have always rallied around the Clintons when they are under attack. Women have rallied around Hillary this election. Attacks on her are just as likely to attract supporters to her as drive them away. Both Democrats are going to be thrashed, but I think only one has the capacity to turn it around and make it an asset.

Obama can't. 1) People don't know him well enough to feel as protective of him (I mean those outside the OFB). 2) The media is much less likely to say overtly racist things than they are overtly sexist things. 3) Unlike African Americans, women will be the majority of voters this Fall so a backlash there hurts the GOP more. 4) They don't hate Obama so the press he gets will be terrible because they'll need to trash him for McCain but it will probably be less obviously terrible and, thus, more damaging.

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She's strong enough to stand up to all the bullshit, because it's the way we win in Nov.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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It's why I part ways with Big Tent Democrat about his media darling theory. No democrat is ever a media darling in a presidential election. Our one chance for possibly having that status is if the GOP nominated Romney, who for some inexplicable reason the media seemed to hate almost as much as Hillary Clinton.* We don't need someone who can compete with McCain for media darling status (Obama will lose that fight, btw). We need someone who is a media anti-toxin, immune from the media bullshit.

It's still a risk. Clinton could lose under an avalanche of media hate, but that's not the deciding issue. The issue for me is who has the best chance of withstanding the media hate because it's coming no matter which one is the nominee. And given that Clinton - and her husband - have not only withstood it but repeatedly won against it for more than a decade, my money is on her.

* Full disclosure, at times I almost felt sorry for Romney during the GOP race. McCain would flat out lie about Romney and the media would never say so. Romney would try to point it out and they'd do the usual, "the two sides disagree" thing. But then I also admit that while I think Romney is wrong about everything and would've made a terrible president, he seemed like the least personally repugnant person running for the GOP nomination. I think I could have dinner with Mitt and Ann Romney and have a pleasant, civil time so long as we didn't talk politics and they seem to have good enough manners not to do that. They seem like perfectly nice people with bad political beliefs. Hell, I've got relatives like that. Now that I think about it, that probably explains the media's hatred for Mitt Roney. For some reason, the press seems to love assholes.

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Submitted by vastleft on

"...the absolute fabrication that the problem with Washington is excessive partisanship"

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fight much harder, and ensure that damaging McCain stuff gets out there. She uses her surrogates and is not afraid of bringing stuff up herself, even tho it increases the media attacks on her. They eat it up anyway because she knows what they respond to and what drives them in ways Obama obviously doesn't want to admit.

I don't believe Obama will do that at all, altho he'll have surrogates do it--they're not as willing to smear and slime i don't think, tho. He doesn't want to be hated--it doesn't fit with the "bringing people together to change the broken system" thing.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

he just uses surrogates so his own hands stay "clean."

The "race card" is the perfect example. It doesn't get any dirtier than that.

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Submitted by amberglow on

he'd have destroyed Hillary (instead of going after Bill so much) and he would be winning over those who want a fighter.

This, for instance, better not be a preview of fighting the GOP in the fall--it's incredibly pathetic-- http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0... -- "The fact that Senator McCain can't get his own party to take down this misleading, personal attack ad raises serious questions about his promise to the American people that he will run a civil, respectful campaign."

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The press has questions about McCain's promise to run a civil respectful campaign? I just figured anyone with an IQ over 25 knew he was lying. There isn't any question about it. Whoever the Dem nominee is will be facing one of the nastiest political campaigns ever waged. There isn't a single principle McCain claimed to hold that he hasn't sold out in his quest for the nomination, including his opposition to torture an issue that obviously resonates with him personally. Add to that a GOP that's out of ideas, mired us in an unpopular war, and has trashed the economy AND has seemed to top itself each election cycle with how nasty it is capable of being. Add to that, the Dems will be running a woman or a black man.

Yeah, it's going to be nasty.

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is about as bad as it gets. It's one of the few charges that hadn't been made before.

Rape, murder, drug smuggling, lesbianism (her) illicit black love-child (him) and numerous lesser accusations were thrown at them by the GOP.

But they were always tight with the AA community until now.

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Submitted by amberglow on

and it hurts him too, and was really really shortsighted and stupid--he lost Bill as a helper for the fall--the only successful, well-liked Dem in ages and ages and ages. And Bill is not the candidate, anyway. What Obama did was hurtful to himself in other ways too--it rallied Black support to him--which alienated some white voters who had previously seen him as a Tiger Woods, etc, and proved the threadbareness of his "unity"/"I can bring all of us together" rhetoric--no one is buying that stuff anymore--especially the groups he most needs to win. And his supporters accusing Hillary voters of racism, and ascribing his losses to it, is perhaps the most damaging to him in the fall. He insults millions of voters he needs.

Accusing them of racism pales in comparison to saying they murdered Vince Foster, and many other things they've been accused of over the years. Hillary still wins the base and big diverse states even after decades of accusations.

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Submitted by amberglow on

as racist--it was their game plan, whether opponents were or not.

And he can't use that in the fall--voters know the GOP is racist--and they will be using it and enjoying the accusations--it's their winning Southern Strategy, and they now have the opportunity to grab even more whites who are pissed.

Once the racism accusations started, Obama became blacker--they thought that wouldn't hurt them, but it directly conflicted with his branding. Wright and recent things have just fed the conflicts.

I still firmly believe that it's not racism, but not enough emphasis on populist and practical red meat policies and a lack of fighting spirit that's hurting him most. And his utter misdiagnosis of why things that help people don't happen in DC--the base is furious and knows it's the GOP that is to blame entirely--not both parties. And they want candidates who will fight for them regardless of what the GOP thinks or says or does.

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Submitted by amberglow on

they made Obama the nominee pretty much (and bec they know Clintons don't give up they'll still have drama for ratings), and now they can safely go back to their usual treatment of all Dems.

It's way way way too little and too late tho, for us Dems, i think.

(as i type this, Moyers/Wright is on CNN)

oh, one more thing--asking America to take a chance on someone unknown and with a thin resume--after Bush--was dumb too. In hard times, people go for a known quantity instead of the new thing.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

one Democrat has done to another in my memory.

Obama didn't need to do it. The AA community was his natural base. Of course they would support a viable black candidate.

But by injecting accusations of racism, Obama has pretty much guaranteed that the eventual nominee will be damaged.

You can see the threats every day on the blogs: "If Hillary steals the nomination the AA community will boycott the November election."

Now many Hillary supporters are making similar threats to boycott. All this thanks to the post-racial unifier.

Don't step in the Unity.

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Submitted by amberglow on

knocking him off his pedestal (which the media kept reinforcing) meant leaving yourself open to that charge--they had to do whatever they could--and he himself was using race and racial stereotypes all along (especially his continual reassurance of white attitudes and perpetuating that there's an acceptable way Blacks should be to be ok with whites and vice versa--using their views of previous black candidates and black leaders to define himself as their opposite-- "not like them"/transcendent/postracial, etc).

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Submitted by amberglow on

the country to think that African-Americans were a natural base--he got into trouble early from Cornel West and others for avoiding/ignoring certain issues and certain other leaders and politicians--which was by design to reassure whites.

Once he won Iowa he was able to show them too--he had to win a white state to reassure AA that he was worth supporting--that it wasn't an impossible goal.

White support was actually key to getting AA support for him.

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Submitted by shystee on

Concurs

The inanity of all of this is manifest. When the Right and the media assumed that Hillary Clinton was the inevitable nominee and that Obama couldn't win, the Right just "loved" Obama, and people like The New Republic's Jason Zengerle marveled at what they actually believed was the astonishing (and real) phenomenon that no "conservative writer [is] able to withstand Obama's charms." Now that it appears that Obama rather than Clinton will likely be the nominee, that has, quite predictably, reversed itself completely: suddenly the Right hates Obama and has great respect for Hillary Clinton.

And, as always, the media follows along exactly the same path. When it looked to them as though Hillary would win, the media hated her and was largely deferential to Obama. Now, the reverse is true. As Thomas Edsall wrote last week: "In a blink of an eye, the media has jumped ship from the Obama campaign and become a crucial Clinton ally." One can trace the media's complete reversal regarding Obama to exactly the moment when it appeared he would actually win.