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Biden vs. Ryan open thread

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Submitted by lambert on Thu, 10/11/2012 - 9:05pm

Gee, this sure is interesting. I'm listening with half an ear and researching Walmart on the twitter. So a bit of binocular vision here.

Oh, Libya. "Whatever mistakes were made will never be made again." Alrighty, then.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

https://twitter.com/seanoconnz/status/256564495118381056

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Submitted by lambert on

Biden's snickers are really obnoxious. I think all Ryan has to do is hold is own....

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Snickers and sighs reinforce the pointy headed liberals thing.

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She's not controlling Biden (which would be better for Biden).

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I saw some tweets about how the debate went into chaos. Watching it on Twitter is much more fun.

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https://twitter.com/anamariecox/status/256568390863446016

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https://twitter.com/nicole_hong/status/256570263725027331

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https://twitter.com/vpaige/status/256570860440272896

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https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/256571251605241856

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https://twitter.com/gjhubert/status/256572219512201216

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Submitted by lambert on

Biden's got better command of the issues (as he ought to).

And Biden's better at marshaling a conclusion from the detail (as he should be).

But it's ridiculous to compare Ryan to Palin as a politician: Zero charisma, to start. One always has the sense with Palin that she could say anything. It was fun! Ryan is much more disciplined and not fun. His ideas are horrible and he's an ideologue in a way that Palin never was.

Biden is good at cornering Ryan on "What would you do differently" and Ryan is very bad at getting out of the corner. Unfortunately -- and like nobody cares about the facts, nobody cares about this either -- that's not a function of Biden vs. Ryan, but how similar the two parties are.

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Submitted by Alexa on

promise is not to "Privatize Social Security." What the heck?

Seniors, and near seniors, will have more reason after this debate, to vote for Romney and Ryan, if maintaining safety net benefits is a top priority.

[Personally, we're voting third party, But several of our fiftyish cohorts, are switching parties due to the Republican pledge to leave benefits alone for near retirees.]

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Submitted by lambert on

... but that Ryan never claimed that. He was making a different bad point, that JFK caused growth with tax cuts. If Ryan were better, he would have nailed Biden to the wall with one.

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https://twitter.com/slackmistress/status/256571855811538946

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Submitted by lambert on

... is that he's got two different voices: His prepared voice, and his improvising voice. Biden has only one voice. That's Ryan's difficulty; he has no capacity to gather his forces for a riposte.

With all due respect to emptywheel etc., nobody's listening for facts in the debates. If Ryan were better, Biden would come off as if he were kicking a puppy. But Ryan, technically, is not very good. Biden isn't very good either, but he's a lot better than Ryan.

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https://twitter.com/NatashaChart/status/256578540399644672

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Submitted by Alexa on

Now, I'm listening via satellite radio, not watching.

But it seems that the snickering and interruptions have been a bit over-the-top.

My recollection is that Al Gore only sighed a couple of times.

Curious to see how this plays out. (Doesn't help that Biden's old enough to be Ryan's father, either.)

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Submitted by letsgetitdone on

Biden laughing at Ryan. Generally, that's not good tactics in a debate, but I think we have to take into account who Biden is. he's so good-natured (seemingly) and such a swell guy, that he gets to laugh and smile and snicker where it would be unseemly in other people, like Gore or Obama. Maybe because they have an arrogant persona, which Biden doesn't project.

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Submitted by Alexa on

Seriously, I listened to it (I did not watch it), so maybe I missed some context.

Generally, I'm turned off by those tactics, under any circumstances. And I would have thought that the visuals would have been bad, since Ryan is young enough to be Biden's son.

Honestly, I wouldn't vote for either one, so the whole thing amounted to a little "entertainment value" for me.

If my Netflix DVDs had arrived on time, I probably wouldn't even have listened to it. Hope there's no hard feelings that I disagree with you, on this one. :-)

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