not just no, but HELL no!

I think this one passed about a year ago. Yet another reason I have no faith in our electoral system.

Don’t forget about the telecom pardon HERE.

There is no immunity…except it won’t just be Bush who finds that out, but all Americans who one day will have to answer to the International Community, much like all Germans had to after world war II

Public Law 366-109 can be found here. The pertinent section:

SEC. 5. < TREATY OBLIGATIONS NOT ESTABLISHING GROUNDS FOR CERTAIN CLAIMS.

(a) In General.—No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories.

and:

SEC. 8. REVISIONS TO DETAINEE TREATMENT ACT OF 2005 RELATING TO PROTECTION OF CERTAIN UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL.

(a) Counsel and Investigations.—Section 1004(b) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (42 U.S.C. 2000dd-1(b)) is amended—
(1) by striking “may provide” and inserting “shall provide”;
(2) by inserting “or investigation” after “criminal prosecution”; and
(3) by inserting “whether before United States courts or agencies, foreign courts or agencies, or international courts or agencies,” after “described in that subsection”.

(b) Protection < of Personnel.—Section 1004 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (42 U.S.C. 2000dd-1) shall apply with respect to any criminal prosecution that—
(1) relates to the detention and interrogation of aliens described in such section;
(2) is grounded in section 2441(c)(3) of title 18, United States Code; and
(3) relates to actions occurring between September 11, 2001, and December 30, 2005.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority… . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

… Enabling Act, or MCA. Assholes.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Shane-O. Thanks. Primary text is always a plus.

What may have been the reasoning for cutting off the immunity at December 30, 2005?

There is also the fun section in the referenced law regarding the suspension of Habeas Corpus…

And glad to help out X.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority… . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

Synopsis: Bush goes back in time and puts a protective shield of King’s X Motherfucker around his aura, but because it looks like a giant condom his fundies snip the cap and flush his bodily essence into the ocean. Hey, it could happen. You wouldn’t believe some of the garbage that flows into Long Beach Harbor after even a modestly-sized storm passes through Los Angeles. No, wait, you would. Goddamn liberals! Non-deniers! Fie! Fie!

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Well, this does not apply to the International War Crimes Tribunal of the Hague… It should not come as a surprise, that a bunch of crooks of an oppressive cowboy regime would pass it into “law” that they are untouchable. The opposite would be an exception.

Do you think that Mladic, Milosevic, Pol Pot, Pinochet etc. would have had it differently? Of course not. So enjoy the show, you ordered it, you paid for it, they are just delivering.

Are they going to be arrested if they go to Europe?

Hi —

Just passing through, I noticed the difficulty you US Americans apparently have in following your legislative and executive branches, yes?

I’m actually kind of shocked here.

I’m Brazilian. I can go over to the Deputy’s Chamber - our Congress - or head over to the Senate’s web site instead and follow up on any piece of legislation currently “in transit” or approved. For instance, for the Senate:

http://www.senado.gov.br/sf/atividade/Ma…

Don’t you have anything like this?

Also, the daily sessions in the Congress and Senate are televised. With the forthcoming change to digital TV, all these channels will be open (currently, only cable and satellite viewers can see them - although, technically, they’re open, but they don’t use the normal VHF spectrum).

Cheers.

AC.

Please excuse our technical difficulties we are in the middle of transitioning back to a feudal dictatorship.

Oh, I got your answer right here … <sound of safety clicking off>.

“What may have been the reasoning for cutting off the immunity at December 30, 2005?”

Um, the 9/11 through 12/30/05 is the retro active parts, until the MCA becomes effective 12/30/2005 (Or maybe Jan 1st, I wonder if there was one day where it was still illegal… hmm)

The bill was not signed into law until October 17, 2006.

Also, the immunity provision seems to actually cut off at December 30, 2005. Simply because the act went into effect does not mean an immunity exists past that date - unless written therein.

My question went more to whether anyone knew if another act covered December 30, 2005, forward.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority… . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

…this does not apply to the International War Crimes Tribunal of the Hague… It should not come as a surprise…

So one wonders what will happen to all the good cowboys when they wake up to find the Royal House has fenced in the open range, the Chinese have repossessed the ranch, and the Russians have sub-divided the Northern frontier?

Butch and Sundance went to Bolivia, and I hear Poppy thinks he owns a spread nearby on top of the biggest aquifier, but the locals may have an opinion about that as the Pacific starts to creep up the Andes. They may wish they had taken a nice white collar cell in the Netherlands instead.

No Hell below us
Above us, only sky

the backdated retro-activity does not apply to the 2006 MCA, but rather “Section 1004 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005”

Which probably took effect at the end of 2005. They had left a loophole that after the DTA05 was passed, they forgot that illegal treatment of prisoners was STILL illegal prior to passage of DTA05.

The MCA closed that loophole in past Detainee law, and rewrote the illegal treatment of prisoners as retroactive to 9/11.

(b) Protection < of Personnel.—Section 1004 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (42 U.S.C. 2000dd-1) shall apply with respect to any criminal prosecution that—
…
(3) relates to actions occurring between September 11, 2001, and December 30, 2005.

From 2005 onwards, the Detainee Treatment Act which is buried in (Public Law 109-148) is in effect.

This Act may be cited as the “Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006”. —Approved December 30, 2005.

Not an easy thing to find - good stuff.

I appreciate it.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority… . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

People who ask for a case against Bush are going to get laughed at. The United States might be the most indoctrinated society on the planet, and it will hardly be taken seriously by the centers of power. If we actually obeyed the most elementary moral truisims, that is, whats right for you is right for me, and whats wrong for you is wrong for me, then Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and many others might of been punished as the Nazis were, but apparently the nuremburg trials were a farce…

It’s an old video, but the thing is it doesn’t really matter what the US passes when it comes to international law. If they want to prosecute him for War Crimes it doesn’t matter if a bill snuck through saying he’s immune.

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