Jane has a link to the text of the proposed legislation. Is there anyone with time and inclination to read it and see if there is anything in it that would prohibit the states from enacting their own single payer systems? That is our fall back position. If the federal government fails to act, the states should retain the freedom to create their own systems.
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DCBlogger, It Takes More Than Reading the Text of the Bill
to decide the issue. Preemption of state law can be express or implied so even if the bill doesn't say it prevents states from establishing a single payer plan, it still might. Here's why:
If the law is seen as "occupying the field" of healthcare law, then state law will be trumped by it even if the bill itself doesn't say that.
Which doesn't mean it isn't worth looking (and if I get a chance I will) just that it may not end the inquiry. I wish I knew more about healthcare law. As it is now, I wouldn't be able to analyze the bill for implied preemption.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
"Is single payer prevented by implied pre-emption?"
That is the question to ask of every "public option" advocate who implies that public option is a glidepath to single payer.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Make Them Put It In the Statute & Legislative Record
Just having them tell a blogger or citizen or even a reporter isn't going to matter all that much. Courts will look to whether Congress intended to occupy the field. The best way to ensure that they don't find that intent is for Congress to put directly in the statute that nothing in the law is intended to preempt state law and to put in the Committee reports that the law is not intended to occupy the field and preempt state law. Now, it will still preempt any state law directly in conflict (that's the whole point of the Supremacy Clause). So that's another question, if a state established a single payer system would that conflict with any provision of this law?
The rudimentary analysis would go like this:
1) Does anything in the bill explicitly state that it intends to preempt State law or occupy the field?
2) If a State established a single payer system would that directly conflict with any portion of this bill?
3) Assuming the answer is no to 1 & 2, does the legislative history indicate that Congress intended to occupy the field or is the law so broad that's the effect?
A yes to any of those questions is a problem if you want States to enact single payer. Instead the answers you'd want to see is this:
1) No and, in fact the statute specifically states that it does not preempt state law.
2) No, State-run single payer systems could exist within the established framework of this bill and would not conflict with it.
3) No, in addition to the statutory language, the Committee Reports indicate that Congress did not intend to occupy the field or preempt state law.
Note, if you have 1 & 2 right, you probably don't need 3. If you can't get 1, then you'd want 3. If you can't get 2, I think you're probably dead in the water, although I'd like to hear what someone who might be more familiar with preemption law thought.
To get a good analysis of 2 or 3, you'd need someone who knows a helluva lot more about healthcare law than I do. Search the bill text for explicit language is easy, figuring out the other two is not as simple.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
thanks
so we need someone to insert that language into the bill.
And to make sure nothing in the bill
would conflict with a State single payer system. That does not have to be language that explicitly prohibits State single payer systems. It could simply be there's no place to put State single payer in the scheme. Let's say, for instance, that employers would still have to provide health insurance under federal law even if there was a State single payer system. Arguably then there would be a direct conflict with the law - employers would have to pay for insurance and have to pay taxes for the single payer system. If there's a conflict the federal law will win.
* Note - I haven't read the bill and so have no idea what system it actually sets up. I'm talking hypotheticals here.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
States have other kinds of regulations
For example, NYS requires that certain things be covered by all plans. (NYS had a mental health requirement before the federal law.) It would be good to know if the HELP (as in "Help, I'm drowning!"?) plan would affect the ability of the states to regulate those aspects.
I will take a look when I have a chance.
Also, when talking about these congressional plans, people (I'm looking at you, Krugman) still seem to be focused on the problem of getting more people covered by insurance and not on the "have insurance but can't afford to use it" or "have insurance but they won't cover what I need done" aspects, which to me are just as important and urgent. Well, there's that Times article (and there have been others) - but when evaluating these plans, this aspect has not been mentioned, or I've missed it.
Obama should have had a Town Hall "Debbie" with problems like Lawrence Yurdin from the Times article:
...or just my son, who is paying a higher premium for his employer-provided health insurance because he has a chronic problem that he wanted extra coverage for - but the (in-network) provider is still sending him a bill for most of the cost of the treatment. (Oh, and the thing he paid extra to have covered? Turns out they will only pay for about two-thirds of what he needs.) He's thinking of dropping the insurance altogether and using a medical account instead, because he's paying so much for the insurance and they are just screwing around with him.
Oh, guess who his insurance parasite is? Aetna!
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
each state gateway can add
each state gateway can add extra, more stringent requirements to the standard public option if they want to, but the federal govt won't pay any higher subsidies than they would pay for the basic federal plan. if states add more requirements and their citizens need additional subsidies to pay for that, the states are on the hook for the extra.
my eyes are glazing over, can't remember now if this applies to all the plans in the exchanges, or just the public plan.
I saw that
It's not just the community health plans (it's the State, not the Gateway, that makes the requirements: see below, where I've quoted the relevant bit from pp. 44-45)
But there was also a puzzling paragraph just prior to that: does it mean that the Gateway can offer "qualified plans" in that state even if they do not conform to the state's additional requirements? In which case, what good does it do the state to require? (I guess what I'm asking is what the word "notwithstanding" means in the first paragraph "Allowance to offer" I've quoted below. It's incomprehensible to me.)
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
that's when my eyes started glazing over
and the rage started bubbling up....
the help! bill allows states [gateways?] to join regional gateways [and also to set up subgateways under the state's main gateway].
the regional gateways idea was promulgated as a way for small states to band together to get more clout for when their exchanges negotiate with insurers, but it does look like these regional exchanges could also be used to make end runs around the states with stricter requirements. this is why republicans are always saying we need to let people buy across state lines [much like the credit card companies incorporating in states that have legalized usury]. i'd say that first paragraph is the republican we want to be able sell junk insurance anywhere! and that second paragraph looks like some real liberals' attempt to keep added state protections in place. there's more scattered elsewhere in the bill that suggests the states will be able to require qualified plans to have extra protections.
a sad state of affairs, we could have had so much more care for so much less money [and fewer pages in the cfr too, saving trees, yay!]. if you want to be really depressed, start comparing the wording of this bill with the medicare part d bill. looks like the same people [if you can lobbyists people] wrote them both.
The States have to agree to allow the regional Gateways
I didn't read that as permitting endruns around strict states - the opposite, in fact. (I was afraid of the thing you mention.) Of course, it could create a situation in which a perverse NYS assembly and senate decided to allow regional gateways in NYS notwithstanding* our strict requirements...
(p. 55)
* my new favorite word, heh.
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
Another thing about the Gateways
When I try to imagine how anything I've read in this bill might prevent a State from enacting its own single-payer plan, it's figuring out how the Gateway would work in that case.
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
ERISA...One thing to watch for is if they put reform
under ERISA. If so, then federal law supersedes state law, and single payer is out.
Medicare for All is Civil Rights
Interesting
I thought ERISA only set minimum requirements. IANAL though.
ANother interesting thing I found reading about ERISA on the US Department of Labor website, on fiduciary responsibility: [my emphasis]
No mention there of increasing profits to please Wall Street...
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
trying to read the bill now...
It's inducing a medical condition. Something between bewilderment and rage.
There's a whole shitload of stuff labeled "prevention" and a whole lot of stuff that is commissions and studies. Oh, and electronic enrollment. But I haven't gotten to those yet. (There's also a scary section that looks as if it might be including some non-science-based "medicine". Gee, I hope not.)
Edited to add: The link from Firedoglake leads to a pdf which does not contain the entire draft bill - seemingly only an amendment to parts of the bill (Titles I and VI) whose table of contents is listed at the start of this amendment. (Unless I'm not understanding what I'm reading, which is possible. )
I'd really like to see the whole bill. I mean, if I'm going to read any of it I want to be able to read the whole thing. The stuff I mentioned above is in the TOC but not given in this pdf.
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
rage
i'm definitely over at the rage end of that spectrum
erisa gets several mentions
i haven't stopped to read carefully yet on those parts.
I think why ERISA comes up is this
On around page 36 of the document there is an amendment to ERISA which (as I read it) changes ERISA so that the provisions of this bill* hold for most insurers INSTEAD of the provisions of ERISA. The exception is self-insured groups, which remain under the provisions of ERISA. (Whatever they are.)
There are some other mentions of ERISA, but each time it seems to be just to exempt self-insured groups from whatever is being discussed at the moment. You can find them most easily be searching for "Retirement" (the name of ERISA being spelled out in full each time!)
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*subpart (1) of Part A of Title XXXII as amended. It prohibits preexisting condition exclusions, etc., see the end of p. 7 and onward - I don't see exactly where this stops, right now. This part looks good, but reading it literally makes my eyes cross. Gah, lawyers!
(And it's way past my bedtime. But I'm getting obsessed, on top of the other medical conditions this is inducing. Grr.)
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
On risk pools
Since it came up last night (and since I'm busy researching them):
(Sorry, the line numbers are in the pdf. It's one of the reasons reading it is inducing a medical condition.)
Apparently this would replace, for example, NY State's community rating. Hipparchia mentioned last night that there might be differential premiums based on age groups - if so, they're not doing it by manipulating the risk pools. But it would be better if there were only one big risk pool and everyone were in it... I mean...
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
On premiums
age - Damn. Fuck
. Double fuck. They're going that way.
Time to reserve my ice floe...
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
There do seem to be some protections
for existing State requirements and so on, but they're not things I can easily interpret.
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!