Cancel my fucking account

Sometimes, difficult times are...well...difficult. As strained as things are, this open concept is still in many ways better than what exists at most other communities, and gives Corrente a particular strength and a unique character that is, I think, of substantial value. In My Not So Humble Opinion, it will be much less so without you.

When I first stuck my nose in and started to cause trouble here, yours was one of the welcoming voices. For that, I have been and will always be grateful. I hope you will reconsider, and stick around a while longer; come the convention, many of the negatives will drift away to wherever dark thoughts go and the blog will change again.

If not, I will very much miss your voice.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/07/o...

Perhaps you might want to reconsider.

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“But hysteria is all the rage these days, I guess” - gqm

sorry to see you go

about women, you're going to have a fairly high level of discomfort in the Dem party.

I think that is a little harsh.

Wow--I had no idea this still had life in it. I like the idea of PB 2.0 offering counterpoints. A place not necessarily to hash out issues but to present reasoned essays on both sides of an issue or about a candidate. The Great Orange Crush used to do this, but then became single-minded and exclusionary.

Life goes on, and people change.

And now, since it's very time-consuming running a "hate fest," I'm going to set up Professor David Kolb's discussion on philosophical issues in PB 2.0.

UPDATE I deleted your account, and removed you from the masthead.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

the fact is that Xan has not been willing to engage in discussion/debate here at all. In the last 20 weeks, she had two posts -- one her endorsement of Obama (which was basically you "double-standard" anti-Clinton rant -- she never responsed to civil requests for positive reasons to support obama, and civil examples of her use of a double standard when it came to what "Democrats. Do. Not. Do.") the other a rather nasty hit job on the Democratic refusnik movement (implying that we were, at best, dupes of the GOP.)

In other words, Xan has refused to even attempt to engage in civil discourse in defense of her candidate...

Had she done so, and been treated disrespectfully, I'd feel bad. But she hasn't -- she's just declaring that if we don't agree with her, she's leaving.

And since that's her attitude, I'd be happy to hold the door for her WAAAH-bulance, and clear her path outta here.

I also did not know the old correntewire still exists--kind of of like a mirror-image, except not quite.

Aint't the intertubes grand?

I joined this site because it is one of the few "progressive" sites that actually seems to care about progressive causes. I will continue to work for "the good of the many" regardless of what standards and ideals the Democratic Party abandons.

And "trashing" Sen. Obama by not blindly following him? not so crazy in my book. On the contrary, I consider it good citizenship to observe, evaluate, question, and hold accountable those whose ambition in life is to rule over others.

is that "electing Dems" became more important than principles. The misogyny could have been stopped with pressure from Obama and the netroots, but getting elected was more important. The RBC didn't have to award Obama unearned delegates making a mockery of the entire process, but getting elected and pushing WWTSBQ was more important.

This post is a perfect example of the problems with PB1.0.

you know we're all in deep shit.

But of course, we knew that already.

The Incivil Blogtopian Wars, starring:

Incivility, name-calling, shaming, blaming, demonizing, tantruming, groupthinkery, mobbist tar and featherings.

(Passion, aggression, ignorance?)

But I do so in a waaaay civil kinda way.

is probably the most aggressively misogynist remark I've ever heard out of a mainstream politician in the US - short of Claytie's rape remark. I don't even think someone could get away with that in the Republican party,

I don't expect an answer to this, but it is curious that when you did have an account -- as one of the standard bearers of this site, no less -- you made one single, belated post in support of the man you persist in calling "Barak" Obama.

In it, as Lambert notes above, you dismissed the massive documentation mounted here about the limits of Obama's commitment to progressivism -- and to the constituents who most rely upon it -- as a "hate-fest."

Perhaps you can recall happier days when you supported my support of the Democratic Party as the lesser-of-two-evils.

Y'know, I really tried to swallow my objections, hold my nose, and all that. And what did Obama do? He shot the 4th Amendment in broad daylight, embraced the death-penalty for non-lethal crimes, and started feeding Roe v. Wade into the wood chipper.

The final straw for me was when he promised to make Bush's faith-based initiatives into something more real, more funded, and more substantial.

I jumped ship after I heard his framing of the event, but it exceeded my expectations for how much theocracy he has in store for us, when he said that his Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships "will help set our national agenda."

Perhaps that psychiatrist who cures misapprehensions about how to bring progressive change can explain the virtues of Obama's approach.

Sorry to see you go the way of the dodo here. I'm glad that we have communities like Corrente and TalkLeft where you can still speak about Obama without having to genuflect.

The best way to cancel your fucking account?

Marriage.

Two shows nightly, try the veal, etc....

For posting the link to Xan's "My way or the highway" Anti-Hillary endorsement of Obama. I read through it (and all comments) again and it was very instructive. Talk about a clueless and BS post. "Hate fest", "St. Hillary", the claim that HRC is riding WJC's coattails, "smarmy pandering" to a black crowd, and my favorite - "That did it. You. Do. Not. Say. Such. A. Thing. Against. A. Fellow. Democrat."
I could go on but it is clear that at the time of the post Xan had no interest in honest discussion, and set the ground rules such that there could be none.

and thanks for saying good-bye...

Hope we can all talk again in the future.

I confess I am often enthusiastic about posting something to the blog, only to find that the posts most meaningful to me sink into the unknown quite fast.

Corrente may be at the tip of the end of the PB1.0 ship still sticking up in the air, but if the whole thing sinks we'll all drown.

I am for electing more and better Democrats.

But as I have said for months now, I have grave doubts about just how true a Democrat Senator Obama will prove to be.

The bus has so many of us 'traditional' Democratic voters and the people who have been, traditionally, best served by Democratic wins in elections under it now that it's starting to have daylight between the wheels and the pavement.

But if you look at Cannonfire, or Kos' site, or Huffpo, what you see isn't progressive blogs, by and large, or even Democratic points of view. You see anti-Clinton, writ large and often. Many of the blogrunners are ex-GOP -- and I wonder just how ex they are.

We can admit that we're killers ... but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes! Knowing that we're not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

Sorry Paul, but I disagree with your denial. I think Corrente has become an anti-Obama blog. I think this comment thread shows that pretty well:

1) Paul's "not wanting to be rude, but...", [Warning: rudeness ahead!"]
2) blogtopus' "way of the dodo"
[Some might say ironically self-referential]
3) Even Lambert forgot the simple courtesy of gratitude until Truth Partisan reminded us of its value.

I agree with bringiton--the loss of voices like Xan diminish this community.

you are missed already, and valued. thank you for all that you've done here.

Hi Lambert,

1. No, you do not understand me. A blog with an anti-Obama thread is not, by definition, anti-Obama.

2. Oops, a little sarcasm dripped onto your lapel there.

3. The price of engagement is seems a bit excessive in cost and quantity. And the exhortations to shut the fuck up are often inserted into the mouths of others.

4. If my community is diminished, it's Xan's fault. If my candidate lost, it's that guy over there's fault. If my issues aren't addressed, it's They're fault.

Strawmen aside, few would ascribe to your "one-drop" theory of blog contamination. Any that might surely would frequent other blogs. I come by here just to check in on old friends, health issues, and the Corrente view on the most important issue of the day, "Who will be president of the United States?"

I'm sure we come to Corrente for different reasons. Nonetheless, I think of us as neighbors. I'm sad to see another house go dark. Yes, Lambert, you're right and I'm grateful for your wise reminder. Live goes on and people change. I hope that as we close the door on this waaahm-bulance, we consider how our neighborhood is changing.

...with much more grace than my snippy subject lines. It's that goodness that brings me here.

I hate to see any of the Correntians fade into the sunset or, worse, demand that their fucking accounts get canceled, and I'm sorry if they're no longer proud of the site.

But I fail to be moved by the following:

* Condemning the content of your own group blog while contributing close to zero content of your own for months on end

* Condemning the content of your own group blog without providing any sustained, substantive debate against the direction you find objectionable. No links, no analysis, no rebuttals, just STFU.

Sorry to see you go, Xan, and sorry it's not on happy terms. You were a long-timer here, and I'm still the newest kid.

I just wish that you'd joined the debate instead of merely labeling it "hate" and walking away, with your own insight and opinions barely represented at all.

regarding Xan's blog as linked by VastLeft,
"And you don’t get political experience credits via marriage. If your spouse/SO dropped dead tomorrow, would his or her employer’s first impulse be to hire you as a replacement? Really? If your plumber died would you call his wife to fix your busted pipes? Gee, I bet they talked about plumbing at home a lot, so why not? Talking isn’t the same as doing, you say? Hmmm.

Sorry, Xan, but your closet sexism is showing...
It is about time that the FIRST LADY role (and in future, "first husband") became officially recognized as the responsible public position it actually is. Not to mention of course, that Hillary Clinton was ALSO basing her campaign on years of active service in the US Senate.

Please forgive the 'cut and paste' from something I've said elsewhere, but I believe it does bear repeating. What follows is an excerpt from my comment posted on July 7 at Anglachel's Journal in response to her piece "Classification":

friend
“Hillary Clinton has only gotten ahead because her husband was President.”
me
“To judge women solely on their husband's achievements is sexist. Hillary Clinton has been elected and re-elected to the US Senate on her own merits.”
“Furthermore, the wives of US Governors and Presidents are expected to sacrifice their own professional interests in favor of supporting the efforts of their husbands in office. It is highly unlikely that the American public would elect men whose wives refused to do so. Whether or not we agree with this tradition, it is thus sexist to claim that a former governor’s or President’s wife shouldn’t claim “first lady” experiences as legitimate public service.”

Read Anglachel's essay and all the responses here:
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/07/c...