Change you can hope for

Digby:

Ian Welsh says there's no reason to believe that Obama will follow through on traditional liberal economics. I don't know if we know that. The political context is now very different than it was just a month ago and I don't know that the normal assumptions apply anymore.

I would grant that if Obama reinstitutes paygo, we'll know that Reaganomics aren't dead quite yet. If that happens, fasten your seatbelts (or jump out the window) because we're all going to be heading over a cliff.

Obama, as Ian observes, is not a liberal. But, given times that scream for one, is there any chance he would heed the call? As Digby notes, the political context truly has changed.

Reaganomics is over if he wants it. But does he?

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Yes, the political context is certainly different

We just handed a trillion to the big banks under the Bush + Reid + Pelosi + Obama + Paulson bill.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Hey, it's karma

These guys were generous enough to give out $38 billion at the end of last year, so it's the least we can do to reward their open-heartedness!

And I'm sure a great deal of it piddled...

... er, trickled down, in the form of yacht sales, maid services, vintage wines, and so forth. Not that there's anything wrong with that -- I'd just like such things to be just a little more evenly distributed. And not based on open looting and theft, of course.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

The open question is...

... what makes Obama run?

Does he love neo-liberalism / neo-conservatism, or is it a misguided means to a self-serving end for him?

Given a context where the prevailing winds (the wind from Village gasbags notwithstanding) blow leftward, does he maintain his allegiance to the ideas of the party of ideas, or does he do the right left thing when it becomes politically expedient to do so?

Welsh on what a liberal would say about UHC

Like this:

A liberal looking at the current situation says "if I go to real universal health care the US economy will save 5% of GDP, I know this because every single country in the world that has done it has gotten those savings." And he tells you, "your taxes will go up, but because you will not have to pay for insurance your spending income will actually go up. And if your employer pays for insurance I will make him give you half that as a pay raise. And as a result, ordinary Americans will actually have more money to spend as well as better health care."

Funny, that 5% of GDP is about a trillion -- what Obama worked the phones to get the big banks. Too bad he can't work the phones to get people the life saving health care they need.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Broder/Village have already demanded Pay-Go--

And Congress is already doing it, they say--

"... the first test for a President Obama with a Congress controlled by his own party: whether to insist on a pay-as-you-go rule for the budget.

That rule, which provided the discipline behind the Clinton administration's balanced budgets, was abandoned by the Republicans -- with disastrous fiscal results. Pay-go was revived last year when the Democrats took over Congress. But the requirement that any new or increased spending be offset by comparable cuts or new revenue has been a source of frustration for many in the party. And it will pinch much harder if applied next year. ..." -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

Obama seems OK with pay-go

From The Washington Post:

Jason Furman, Obama's economic policy adviser, has held his own extensive talks with Blue Dog Democrats and said Obama would seek to establish "a government unified around the concept of fiscal discipline and centered around the pay-go rule. Insisting on paying for things will lead to better economic policy."

yup--tragically--

only Republicans can deficit spend--and he's fine with that, apparently.

So that fits in a with a trillion for the banks...

... how, exactly?

And how does it not fit in with single payer, which does pay for itself?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Pelosi today on pay-go--

and their "new" "stimulus" that they know won't pass and didn't include in the real "stimulus" --

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/10/o...

"... We must try again. In the weeks since, the need for responsible action to strengthen our economy has become more urgent. I have asked the chairmen of the relevant committees in the House to review the economic impact of a larger recovery package and, because of the Congress' commitment to fiscal responsibility, the effect on the budget.

Democrats have made fiscal responsibility a top priority, reinstating pay-as-you-go budget rules on the first day we took control of Congress in 2007. In keeping with these principles, each component of our recovery package will be justified in terms of creating good-paying jobs, stimulating our economy and returning revenue to the Treasury. ..."

Obama represents more than just 4 (or 8 *snort*) years

He's "inspiring a generation". OK, I don't quite buy that, but many people are coming of age and Obama will be setting a view of the Democratic Party that will last a generation. By pissing all over liberalism in order to fellate Reagan's legacy of being a change agent, many young people will see liberalism as the BS post-partisanship feel good hopey changey nonsense that Obama preaches from the mountaintop or as he enters the city on his ass (donkey).

Obama will make it harder for liberal policies if he continues on his past. Up until he stole the election, that was one of the things that has worried me the most about Obama. Incidentally, this is part of the reason--again, sexism and stolen elections--why I'm of the view that McCain is the lesser of two evils. Failed faux liberalism will severely weaken liberalism.

Only tyrants rig elections.

"I Don't Lnow If We Know That."

Digby is so hoping against hope, here. I'm not sure how many more hints he has to give that what he hopes to accomplish with the presidency is little more than to inspire the populace, but towards no particular end. If he could, his years as presidency would be absolutely stacked with rallies and speaking engagements.

I can't stand here and tell you what makes him tick, but I think I can tell you what doesn't, and that is progressive and liberal policy-making. You know, in another time, I'd probably have seen Obama as a great candidate for the presidency. My problem is that at the point in our history where we most need a wonky policy-maker we had an ethereal philosopher-king forced upon us. In a time when we needed a David, we're forced to take a Solomon.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

what about signing statements?

it's obvious he won't do anything good or big like healthcare--but will he even stop the horrors Bush is still doing?

http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/1...
-- President Bush, Holding Firm on Signing Statements --

"...On Tuesday, he objected to parts of two more bills. In one, a military authorization bill, he objected to a section that required negotiations for an agreement to make Iraq share the cost of American military operations in the country.

In another bill, he objected to sections that give internal watchdogs within federal agencies more protections against political interference.

Mr. Bush’s signing statements undercut the roles the Constitution has set out for the three branches of government — hardly the only time he has done that. ..."

Is there a Constitutional measure that can outlaw signing

statements?

Can we get an Amendment going to do that?

We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

i thought they weren't legal/binding--

i think we just need a court case (but with these Supremes they'd probably declare it legal)

What happens with them is that his hand-picked underlings simply follow what he writes and won't do the things he "objects" to--legal or not.