Concrete material benefits

lambert's picture

[I'm lifting another one of MonkeyFister's comments, and making it into a post. --lambert]

I've written here, recently, about my exercise in Community-building. Yesterday, I helped my neighbor, Tommy, build a raised-bed garden in his backyard (Permaculture Zone 1-- by the back door). He helped me fill another of my beds, and together, we built a box, which I'll fill as money allows, for my other neighbor Susie, who just lost her job as an Interior Designer (Firm filed Chap. 7).

Now, I've been spending ~$200 per week at the small Locally-Owned Nursery around the corner from my house. I had a really nice discussion with the owners, yesterday. Turns out, I'm basically keeping a High-School kid on the payroll, and spending as much as their Commercial customers. The owner's wife happens to be good friends with my neighbor Susie, and she got all broken up when Tommy and I related that we're secretly building a garden bed just for her.

So, they started offering me a discount, and gave me two beautiful Flowering White Dogwoods for the yard.

There are Movements with very high forms and concepts, and high-dollar costs to go all-in; and then there is Real Life, where we, down here, can only do what we can, as we can. Slow Money, and Permaculture allow entry-level possibilities, and provide near immediate positive feedback.

Slow Money dovetails sweetly with Permaculture, and as I continue to say, If we all do whatever bits and pieces that we can, it will set in motion an undeniable change in the existing culture. S L O W L Y. Slow-Money, Transition Towns, Permaculture... are the best, most logical steps to take to get us to a real future. The slowness allows the change to settle in without resistance, because the benefits to the Community are real, and positive, fulfill needs-based realities, and cut across political lines-- diminishing those lines in the process, and building trust.

Don't need to join an organization, or some high-visibility club with dues... Just START. Wherever you are, however you can. These are very simple decisions to make, and eventually, as I am demonstrating in my own life, influence others in the gentlest of ways.

If you liked this post, buy the author some books.

Comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
vastleft's picture

Worth looking into?

Monkeyfister's picture

Window Boxes Seem To Work Better...

Use even LESS energy, no fancy-pants nutrients.

The Window Farms Project has been banging around for a while now... Seems there are a lot of people spending too much time trying to get this to properly work.

When I lived in a second story apartment, I grew 20 Pole Beans, and 5 Cucumber plants out of two window boxes on my balcony. Three more gave me all the Lettuces and Swiss Chard I needed. Another gave me Radishes and Onions, just replanted as I took. Another, all the Oregano, Parsley and Thyme I needed. Three pots on the deck held Tomatoes, and more herbs. Six little window boxes, and three pots.

I can't knock the window farm idea, It just seems like a new-fangled wheel, with square corners. But, if it is all the space one has... DO IT! --mf

From High Atop The Mighty Corrente Building... Comes Wisdom.

To be fair,

it looks like they're setting those up on the inside of apartments. With balcony access, i agree with you completely...besides which, soil growing is much easier for the uninitiated than hydroponic culture.

No fancy nutes should be necessary from what i saw in the pictures. Compost tea would probably be best. But the site wouldn't let me look at the plans unless i register with them, so i don't want to look at the plans.

“Don’t believe them, don’t fear them, don’t ask anything of them” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Monkeyfister's picture

Six Lengths of Chain, Some "S" Clips, and "O" Screws...

... three pieces of shelving wood from a dumpster, and three 6"w x 3' l x 6" deep window boxes, and a sunny window, and anyone can grow more food without any added energy (pick any of the three window boxes I listed above).

Give me another similar window, chain, etc., and I can take care of the rest of the window boxes, and out produce the bottles. One more, and they get Pole Beans and Cukes, if they'll pollinate via Q-Tip themselves. One more window, and I can guarantee them Tomatoes, if they'll pollinate with a Q-Tip. Four, old-style tall windows, and the old methods will out work this Hydroponic Scheme. It is over-thinking, under-producing, and requires too much energy for this scale.

None of those projects to date provide for pollinated produce. Just Lettuces, Greens, and Onion Family... etc. I can grow three cabbages in one window box.

Do that out of a bottle.

The bottle garden is for pretties. It won't feed people. They're excited about ONE salad a week. I have grown more out of 5 casement Apartment Windows in a Michigan Winter with chain-sequenced window boxes, four to a window, than these bottle garden people are excited about growing in a New York Summer. I've done it by necessity. It's how I came upon using my balcony rails, and triple tiering them, and -double-saddling them across the rails of the balcony. Use every space, Use energy and resources as closely and cleverly as possible for maximum production.

Test it yourself. Take two South-facing windows, do one in the Bottle Farm method, and one in three or four window boxes hanging from chains. Plant them in the same stuff. Report back on which one was easiest to tend, and most productive. Which took less energy? You'll end up giving up on one of them.

It's possible to grow your own green produce in your windows-- this bottle scheme is not necessarily the best way to do it. Good ol' dirt works better. --mf

From High Atop The Mighty Corrente Building... Comes Wisdom.

Well

For certain things with the right skill set, hydroponics will outproduce soil. Leafy greens from seed to harvest in 16 days is a tall order out of soil. (not cut and return, but a full head) I've run side by side experiments - though under lights - and i can produce far better and faster yields with hydro...though it's a lot more effort.

But i'm not arguing with you, really, the point for most people should be reliable production. Hydro gets particularly tricky for fruiting plants because of changes in nutrient requirements over the life cycle...not to mention that it only takes a little oopsie in hydro to nuke all the plants.

Just looking at the pics of their setup, i would recommend a very different hydro scheme for the leafy greens. They'd get more out of a NFT system made of vinyl gutters hung against the window. It would be easier, require less material, and would get better spacing...along with easier rotation.

And i agree, much of the appeal of this looks to be that it's "cool" rather than producing the best yield for the space in relation to the skill of the grower.

“Don’t believe them, don’t fear them, don’t ask anything of them” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Monkeyfister's picture

First Transition Town In Pennsylvania...

I came across this, this morning:

http://www.philly.com/philly/living/gree...

So when she learned that like-minded souls in Media and vicinity were working to make the Delaware County seat a Transition Town, she gladly joined the effort. In August, Media became the first Transition Town in Pennsylvania.

What does the Transition Town designation (TT, for short) mean? In Media, it means that scores of conscientious citizens who live in and around the borough have committed themselves to trying to meet more of their needs locally so that they use fewer resources, especially oil and other carboniferous sources of energy.

"The idea is to enjoy a more vibrant, livable future by weaning ourselves from fossil fuels," Sari Steuber says.

Slowly, but surely. --mf

From High Atop The Mighty Corrente Building... Comes Wisdom.

gmoke's picture

Weatherization Barnraisings

Here in Cambridge, MA we've been doing monthly weatherization barnraisings since the summer of 2008. The organizer is Home Energy Efficiency Team and they have a manual for how to do it on their webpage: http://www.heetma.com

Since we started, about 20 other municipalities have gone and done likewise, mostly around Boston but also in Providence, RI and Albany, NY. There are other groups in NH, western MA, ME, and CA that I know of who are doing solar barnraisings, some like the ones we used to do thirty years ago during the last energy crisis.

I'd like to see a weatherization barnraising on the White House with the full participation of "This Old House," "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition," and all the other TV carpentry shows. It would be a good kick-off event for the Cash for Caulkers program.

Now I gotta go plant some peas.

Solar is civil defense

DCblogger's picture

How friends help friends on the Internet

The Ross Greenberg Story

Of course, under a single payer system this would be a completely different story.

Monkeyfister's picture

Here's a Super-Fine Video About Where I Am Heading...

It's a Google video, from BBC, called, "Natural World: Farm for the Future".

Permaculture from a young Farmer's perspective, as she tries to find the best way forward for her family farm in Devon, England.

http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com/2010/04...

We get to see some great examples of small and larger plot plans, and their yields.

Great stuff. --mf

From High Atop The Mighty Corrente Building... Comes Wisdom.

Thanks for supporting a locally owned nursery

I earn my keep at one.

“Don’t believe them, don’t fear them, don’t ask anything of them” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Monkeyfister's picture

It Was Easy!

Great people, local, not too knowledgeable, but that gave us the impetus to start talking... "What do you do with all these composts and soil ingredients?"

I approached them, Sunday, about volunteering to build a 4' x 8' Square-Foot Garden Demo Bed for them, complete with simple EMT Conduit and string trellis. I told them everything they'll need to provide, like some 2" x 8" x 8' Cedar Lumber, the conduit, and some PVC piping, and I'll talk them through the whole process, and explain why I do this or that.

They will then have the answers to give when all those gardeners in the area, who have been toiling behind the roto-tiller, in deep, nasty clay mud, trying to get a garden bed ready, suddenly have their Epiphany. They said they just need to think the site out. I offered a place right in front, in the sun.

One look, of that productive Square-Foot Raised-Bed Garden sitting there, on the hard gravel, and it will stop and change people's plans then and there.

There is a small Local Lumber store right across the street from the Nursery that sells Cedar 2"x Lumber. I suggested placing it so the Lumber Store is directly behind the bed, and reccoing them for enquiring customers. Next step this week, is to talk to the Lumber Company, and get them to understand. Maybe, I can get the Nursury to supply dirt and starters top the Lumber people, and they can work up a "Raised-Bed package"! I could die that night, and know I'll go to Heaven!

Did I mention I am in Marketing and Advertising at the National level? Here's how you simplify it all for the Sticksville Communities. Six hours of my time may very well help two Local Businesses. I've got Heart.

I've also figured out how I am going to work payment for my surplus eggs. It turns out that my real, best distro center is work. Those folks are all over-paid, with most of them getting retired Military Pensions, on top of salary. Most of them single. I average ~four dozen surplus per week. I can definitely supply six, over-paid, good-hearted co-workers with a dozen eggs, every two weeks.

Here's the plan: "Yes, Co-worker, this dozen of two-day-old Farm-Fresh, Organic Eggs from happy, tractored Chickens is yours free of charge from me, now. If I see within a week, that you have made a sizable donation to Navy-Marine Relief, or the Mid-South Food Bank, or Heifer.org, (or other agreed-up charity), I will put you on the rotation. That position will continue for a period until we need to be nice to others, again, and we've gained a certain "Egg Equity.'" At that point, we'll decide on another good place to send checks.

This way, it's not about me. It's not about a business transaction with a Co-worker... It's a tote-bag goody for helping others in need... Like NPR or PBS.

It ain't much, but it is a start. If I have my friends put "'Monkeyfister's' Nest Egg Fund" in the comment section of the check, it might get the (very) Local Media interested, and in time... might encourage others Locally. Well see!

More mischief about to roll.

Doesn't that sound like more fun than pushing an online petition?

Wanna talk SLOW money and Community Building?

I think I might be able to discuss simple ways of doing good with one's surpluses.

It always starts small.

I make less than $60K a year. Got my share of STULOANs hell, and my share of bills like anyone else. Mortgage is more than I'd like due to PMI Insurance piracy.

Applying Permaculture to all of my yard projects, even though I am probably falling behind inflation with my income, I am making up in food productivity year over year. A bit of Hunting makes up the real difference. These front-loaded expenditures will pay back 10-fold in five or ten years, and in the meantime, I can work it as a small boon for good, needy, mostly Local Organizations.

In discussing the real benefits of Local Relationships and Community, Consider this:

I pay extra per pound to support a Local Angus Beef Farmer. He gives me discounts on Beef because, time to time, he provides me Raw Milk from a Dairy Farmer (whom I've never met, because Raw Milk is illegal in TN) , which I turn into Fresh Mozzarella Cheese for all of us, and provide veggies back to both parties, in Season.

Let's talk about Community Building, and Permaculture, because the more I look at it, the more I realize the benefits from the food-based mischief that I sow. It seems that I have a lot to share... and more Local Networks to connect.

I want to share ideas, and hope that my little journey is helping others, who, like me, seemed trapped in a hopelessly hostile Political set of surroundings.

It is totally possible to be friends with what might be a hopelessly lost Christianist Teabagger. It's possible to pull them from that brink, by choking back the Politics, and simply being a neighbor in the same circumstance. By my methods, my Christianist Family neighbors are some of my best neighbors, and, after three years, they don't even agitate for their Political side, much anymore... like me. They've realized their Leaders have fucked thwem, too. They see me, and our other neighbors, who are being neighbors, as friends now, where we'd otherwise be waving picket signs in each others faces.

We protect each other, pot-luck cook-out together, share the garden bounties together. Planting and building together. Feeding each other in total openness.

What's your Community? How big is it? Where is it? Can you all help feed each other, tend to each others' needs if the Trucks Stop Running and Paypal is no longer there? What's Community? Where are you levels of involvement? Where can you see Entry-Level action? Your apartment balcony? Your back yard? Ol' Widow Peterson's back yard, next door? A deal with your Town to make a Community Garden Plot? Maybe you ARE the Mayor of your Town, or on the Council...

I hope this helps.

Lambert, I deeply thank you for letting spill forth like this. Please correct your spelling of my Nom d'Plume. It is: Monkeyfister.

I really love ya for letting me chat like this, fella. It seems to be helping a lot of good folks as frustrated as ourselves. If our Government won't work as we need it to, as we need it to, then WE have to take up the yoke, and haul it to where we need it to be. I Honestly believe that, eventually, because of the no-Politics nature of Food, we'll get to where we ALL know that America needs to be. Yard by yard, we'll be ready when we need to be. Critical Mass is rising, slowly.

It's not "ignoring this assholes Politics." I'm putting Politics out of the circuit, completely, by just not letting them come up. Because of what I am doing, it is no question that I am not Right Wing. I let those that are come, and I simply try to show them the better way, through relying on those to the Left of them, with no Politics allowed. Trust simply happens, and Hannity and Rush get dumpstered by exposure to Real Life.

That's my experience in the middle of the Mid-South, Bible-Belt, West Tennessee.

I have a really solid feeling on this new path. It's providing Concrete, Material Benefits. It's profoundly American, and provides me endless joy, after so many years of being angry.

Permaculture is endlessly value-added.

Gos, I've written too much, again. --mf

From High Atop The Mighty Corrente Building... Comes Wisdom.

Monkeyfister's picture

BTW... I Gave The Dogwoods To Susie, Today...

It made her day.

I'll help her plant them, tomorrow.

She's got a place in her backyard that will be perfect, and we both get to watch them grow. She particularly loves Dogwoods, and has been hoping to ba able to afford some some.

I suspect that Mrs. Oaklawn had a really nice and clever plan in mind, as she knows that I am focusing on food producers first for my yard. She offered me the Dogwoods, while I was looking at less-expensive apple trees...

Pretty cool.

This is how my devilishly fun mischief is manifesting itself. No Politics required, or even needed.

That's some super-fun Community in action, and I get choked-up on how this stuff is working. --mf

From High Atop The Mighty Corrente Building... Comes Wisdom.

Nothing like plants to bring people together

I've found that few things can bridge cultural/social/political gaps like gardening...mostly because they're all moot in the garden. And once common bonds are established, polite discourse is that much easier...along with seeing eye-to-eye even after initial disagreement.

Do you know how to graft? It's not hard, easy enough to teach yourself really. And it can really help with complete pollination in small orchards. Eg, a neighbor only wants one or two trees, but four or more varieties can be grafted onto those two trunks. Experimentation with seed for rootstock is also possible with grafting knowledge.

BTW, love reading these posts and comments and i noted from your blog that you're a former Michigander too.

“Don’t believe them, don’t fear them, don’t ask anything of them” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Monkeyfister's picture

Lex-- I Look Forward to Much More Like This!

These discussions are super-gladdening to my heart, and I keep getting a little choked up when given another opportunity to write more.

It's hard to respond to everyone, but it surely sounds like you are working this different path, as well. It brings nothing but joy and unity, when given the chance to share plants, and food, magic simply happens.

I'm digging too deep into the many rewards, but they are far too vast, and too profoundly simple to convince those that really need convincing.

It simply starts small, and simply. With no agenda attached. --mf

From High Atop The Mighty Corrente Building... Comes Wisdom.

Help the hamsters with their winter heating bill ...

… as they power the wheels that turn the servers at The Mighty Corrente Building. Please, won’t you help them keep their cages shiny?

No PayPal Account required! Give the hamsters immediate relief!

Or Subscribe to make a monthly payment!

Corrente is completely supported by contributions from readers. Thank you!

Download Citibank Plutonomy files

Part 1 [PDF]

Part 2 [PDF]

Good reading! Favorite quote: What could go wrong?
Beyond war, inflation, the end of the technology/productivity wave, and financial collapse, we think the most potent and short-term threat would be societies demanding a more ‘equitable’ share of wealth.

The 12 Word Platform

1. Medicare for All

2. End the Wars

3. Tax the Rich

4. A Jobs Guarantee

Senior fellows of The Mighty Corrente Building

Leah (CA), Lambert (PA/ME), RDF (??), BDBlue (DC), Hipparchia (FL), MsExPat (NY), letsgetitdone (DC), twig (LA), Tony Wikrent, (NC), jawbone (PA).

Corresponding fellows

danps.

Western Coordinator

coyotecreek

Correspondents

Health care reform: DCBlogger.

Fellows emeritus

mjs, Riggsveda, Tresy, Tom, hekebolos, chicagodyke, shystee, and Xenophon, Vastleft (MA), Sarah (TX).

Random term

Fascism. In UseNet discussions (and indeed, most discussions) the use of the F-word signals the end of useful discussion, via the operations of Godwin's Law. Unfortunately, this prevents the F-word from being used analytically. Orcinus sometimes uses the similar but more neutral term corporatist.

I support Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Americans United is dedicated to preserving the constitutional principle of church-state separation as the only way to ensure religious freedom for all Americans.