Joe Biden on Sarah Palin's media coverage:
Asked if some of the criticism aimed at Palin has been sexist, Biden said: "Yes, by you guys in the media. ... When I heard that media response, you know, this coming from some of the right-wing guys, saying that, 'Well, how can you be a mother and a vice president at the same time?' ... I mean, millions of women in America are going through exactly what she (is going) through. And guess what? They can handle it."
Amen.
Amen to Biden's bullshit, that is. Come on.
The "progressive" blogs have been driving the sexism from the beginning, and far more virulently than the right, whatever that means in these days of post-partisanship.
But Biden can't say that. Why? Because the progressive blogs are "Tier Two" of the Obama campaign apparatus.
NOTE The TL post also left out that Biden said Palin's family was now "off limits". Too bad the "progressive" blogs spent the last week going after a 17-year-old, then, eh?
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I guess they are realizing a bit late...
...that trifling with and belittling Sarah Barracuda, the pit bull with lipstick, was a grave mistake. It was already clear last Friday she was a very impressive personality. But instead of tackling her on the issues, they chose to go after her qualifications and character. She stayed quiet for the whole week, seemingly ceding the field to her attackers, then pushed back with a speech that outshone everything else said during both conventions. Even Obama pales in comparison with her, because she genuinely IS who Obama CLAIMS TO BE. And that gives her speech sincerity and appeal. Next to her, Obama positively looks faded. If I were McCain, my biggest fear right now would be that, after that speech, the GOP might decide that maybe Gov. Palin should be at the top of the ticket...
This is the kind of speech, by the way, that Hillary should have given. She'd have won the nomination if she hadn't pulled her punches. Gov. Palin hammered Obama relentlessly and worked him over real good. She left no t uncrossed, no i undotted. Every Obama gaffe, misstatement, and questionable association and decision was exploited in turn. The part about having written two memoirs, yet having failed to author a single law (not to mention a single article for the Harvard Law Review) will sting. And, as a bonus, she's also managed to tell the pro-Obama media to take a hike, something that Hillary should have done a long time ago.
I have to say I enjoyed plenty of schadenfreude, looking at the long faces at MSNBC. I haven't seen Matthews or Maddow in such a sour mood since Hillary won Pennsylvania. Because, what are they gonna do to her now? Talk about her teenage daughter's pregnancy?
Usually can't stand to watch MSNBC
But I did a little bit last night and you are right on point in that part - the pundits absolutely have their knickers in a twist over Palin. KO repeatedly tried his little asides about this or that but they came across as someone desperate to find something *anything* that would resonate with the audience. KO and his sidekicks have got nothin' that's gonna do any harm to Palin and they know it, hence the poor attitudes.
They got nothing left.
On the rest of your comment - I see you responded to DCB further downthread so I won't argue with you here. I'll just say, IMO, Palin is not the real deal and I believe facts in evidence amply display that.
However, I'll agree with what Lambert said in another thread to intranets - facts do not matter to the target audience she is on the ticket for.
Biden Made Sexist Comments
Or at least one comment, when he said the difference between them was that she was prettier.
The other thing is that this makes no sense - the right loves Palin, they wanted her on the ticket, they would not then attack her for being on the ticket. Most of the people making the comments were Obama supporters, men and women.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
not sure what his point is
or what he was referring to by "right-wing guys," but his point about single moms is on target.
still and all, it would be nice if there would be a glimmer, a scintilla, nay, even a WHIFF of awareness about the sexism that has characterized this political campaign among the Dem candidates.
huh?
because she genuinely IS who Obama CLAIMS TO BE.
Palin is a flunky for big oil. She is also a right wing nut. She is a younger version of Helen Chenoweth, a good looking version of Ron Paul. She really is a nutty extremist.
Biden got it just right when he said he didn't hear anything about the middle class, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, or anything else that mattered.
Sorry, DCBlogger
I'm not buying it. That's not what her record says. And, please, no need to inundate me with quotes, links, or other similar stuff. I've done my research and my mind is made up. She's not perfect, she does not stand for all the things I stand for, in fact she opposes some of them, but she is a darn sight better than Obama.
And, besides, McCain-Palin will be checked and balanced by a Democratic Congress, so their worst impulses will be negated. Who will negate the worst impulses of Obama-Biden? Right, the Republicans, once they win the House back in two or four years, or the presidency in four years...Because that is going to be the end result of Obama-Biden win--another lost opportunity, another failed presidency.
Now, I surmise you haven't actually understood the part of my post that you cite. Here's an explanation: Obama encounters a corrupt system and his first instinct is to exploit it, profit from it, advance through it. Palin, on the other hand, challenges and defeats it. Big difference. She has genuine accomplishments to her credit, as young and inexperienced as she is. What are his?
Obama has run on a message of Change, yet he has not effected it in any of the offices he's held. He has not even remotely affected that crazy little church whose member in good standing he's been for 20 years. I guess he's been saving himself for the Presidency, huh? Palin, on the other hand, changed Alaska politics and for the better. That's what I mean when I write she IS who he CLAIMS TO BE. That's why they fear her so much. Good. I hope we see and hear much more of her. If that speech was the preview of the remainder of the McCain-Palin campaign, we are going to have fun two months.
Oh, so no need to hear nothing more, no citations, no research,
no more truth for you!
"And, please, no need to inundate me with quotes, links, or other similar stuff."
If you don't know the rules of the house, 'linky-goodness' is a tenet of posting here. Bring your sources, or go home. Why would you insist on *not* having sources in your posts, favoring instead what you feel?
"And, besides, McCain-Palin will be checked and balanced by a Democratic Congress, so their worst impulses will be negated."
Um, pumpkin, why the hell would you want a Democratic congress? The only Democrat you speak of with respect is Clinton, and you consider her buried and pissed on. You do know that if the Republican base is so inspired by Palin that they go out and vote, the Democrats could lose that precious small majority they have? That GOP fundraising would soar, and that could trickle-down to their candidates? That their dispiriting weeks over their failures as a party could be papered over by a rocking chignon and a winning smile?
If Palin's as powerful as you say, she could spearhead a Republican presidency *and* congress.
I bet you're not too upset about that, if truth be told.
But then you could have stated your philosophy in another post... but since you hate that citation thing, how would I know?
Could people say "comment" when they mean "comment"
and "post" when they mean "post"? Thank you.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
huh?
McCain-Palin will be checked and balanced by a Democratic Congress,
you mean the way a Dem congress stood up to Bush????
Re: DCBlogger
So you are saying we should vote for Democrats because...Democrats are weak and spineless? And are you aware that two of these spineless Democrats are on the ticket?
What's worse?
Four years of McCain/Palin or a complete breakdown of the system where Dems are on par with the GOP when it comes to lying and cheating? I don't know, but the more demonization of McCain/Palin by the left (in conjunction with their lying and rumor mongering) makes me fear the latter more. As evil as folks say McCain is, he is a shift to the left for the GOP while Obama is a shift right for the Dems, in policy and tactics.
Palin was part of the corruption
She supported the bridge to nowhere, she supported Stevens, she is part of the oil slick that is Alaska Republicans. Her speach was a tissue of lies.
That's all true
which doesn't make it a bad speech, unfortunately.
And we'll never nibble her to death on the facts or the policy, because the TV images will all trump that.
We're dealing with full-blown right wing populism here, and so far, the Ds have no counter. And they didnt' help themselves with the own-goal sexism haka, either.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
McCain
As evil as folks say McCain is, he is a shift to the left for the GOP
On what planet? McCain is co-author is the
war crimesMilitary Commission Act. McCain institutionalized torture. Torture, do you understand? Torture. That is as evil as it gets. Really, truly, evil. McCain is an evil war monger and Palin is good with that.Obama will be much much better. Obama is going to win, but I just want to go on record that McCain is truly evil.
McCain has done more against torture
than any Democrat. He's about the only member of Congress to have done so, even if it meant bucking his own party.
But, you are free to vote for Obama and Biden. I am glad you have found someone you are proud to support even if so far they've been part of that weak and ineffectual Democratic Congress whom you deride as incapable of/unwilling to confront Bush. All I can say is that evidently things look differently if you are in DC...
(Yes, that is a gratuitous dig.)
No, He Didn't
He supported the Military Commissions Act.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Bullshit
McCain and a couple of other Repubs grabbed the authority over the Military Commissions Act on the strength of his POW experience, and within days he blessed a plan to make torture legal and to repeal habeas corpus. All hat, no Constitution.
Jeebus, Mike
Fit the talking points to the audience, wouldja, for pity's sake? I'm not seeing a whole lot of "proud to support" here.
Since I'm assured that a great nation demands that we move on from partisanship, to question your comments on the grounds that they're pure shilling would be to undermine our Leader, and we can't have that.
But you need to elevate your game a little bit, eh?
Oh, for the days of Erik (conservative).
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
huh?
McCain authored a law that institutionalized torture. He has never stood against torture, ok, he made some noises on Sunday morning TV shows, but he senate record is pro-torture.
They Fucked Up
that's what Biden's comments really mean. It's as close as they ever get to admitting a mistake. They try to erase it.
I'm listening to Pat Robertson going on and on about how Palin's nomination has electrified the evangelical movement around the McCain ticket. It sure would've been nice to have spent the last week framing Palin as a right-wing religious nut and liar going into her speech last night. But instead they wanted everyone focused on her family. Nicely done, Boiz.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Just one question...
When you say that McCain is an "evil war monger", what exactly do you have in mind? In what sense is McCain evil? In a theological sense? Or do you mean that he's like Hitler, or Stalin, or maybe Pol Pot or Saddam Hussein? Do you believe that he enjoys inflicting pain or witnessing human suffering? Or does he limit himself to biting off doves' heads and drinking their blood?
He's as evil as a man who has been tortured, agreeing to
allow the torture of others for political gain.
He's as evil as a man whose body was patched together by the doctors and rehab folks of the VA, refusing to back bills that would give the soldiers serving now some measure of care and some hope of rebuilding their lives.
You just made a mistake, Mike J.
You thought you could slide under the need for us not to slime Palin unfairly, and add the usual regurgitated campaign *lies* McCain spouts about his patriotism, which he's allowed to erode like grated cheese, with the GOP holding the grater.
I think we're about fighting with the truth, instead of accepting propaganda. Your post is full of fail. Try again.
Double fucking happy hour bonus pony bingo
"I think we’re about fighting with the truth, instead of accepting propaganda. Your post is full of fail. Try again."
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
er, your *comment*...
(sorry lambert)
At least we agree on one point
Namely that Gov.Sarah Palin has proven an huge asset to Sen. John McCain's presidential bid. It's been almost a week since we've heard of her and she's still the number one news item. The Obama campaign is still scrambling to figure out a way to counter her impact.
I vaguely recall BTD at talk left wrote that McCain gave away the election to Obama when he picked Palin. I wonder, is that still his opinion?
Your vague recall is worse than useless here
Get a link. You know the site.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Re: evil
Let's just say we are talking about politicians and not saints. Perfection is not something we are going to get. As I recall, Gov. Bill Clinton sent a retarded man to the electric chair so that he (Gov. Clinton, not the retarded man whom he allowed to be the victim of state murder) wouldn't look soft on crime. Yet I (and many if not most of you) have voted for Bill Clinton twice and probably would still be voting for him if he were eligible. So let's keep things in perspective and not hyperventilate.
Evil, evil, everywhere..
While we are throwing stones, let's see who else resides in a house of glass. Sen. Biden voted for AUMF, in fact he was a staunch supporter of invading Iraq because it had WMD (!). So, I guess that only makes him co-responsible for the deaths of how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? Evil, I say! EVIL!
But you'll vote for him anyway, DCBlogger...
Biden's Bankruptcy bill was a greater evil--
it's still devastating American lives daily, and will do so forever, while enriching banks and creditcard companies who are never held to the standards Biden made us be held to.
McCain
is an evil warmonger
i think Biden's ego is hurt that
Palin never mentioned him last night.
; >
Re: MSNBC
Right, Palin seems to have their number. I guess what they say about confronting bullies is true. She didn't sit there and take it, she punched back. Dammit, why couldn't Hillary have done the same?
I don't disagree with you re: Palin and real deal. She, too, is politician. She makes compromises. I'm not in some denial as to what her policy positions are. It's just that, looking at the political big picture at this point in time, McCain-Palin ticket makes more sense to me than Obama-Biden. For me, it's a strategic choice.
holding onto Congress
is more important to me too (altho God knows why, at this point)
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"Get a life"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2v8cuQTV...
...but if you prefer a more substantive reply, I hope you are aware that at the AIPAC conference Obama made a fairly explicit promise to use force against Iran to stop its nuclear program. We simply differ in our choice of evil warmongers, that's all.
Palin vs reality
she is a very dangerous liar
Bravo!
You have successfully located an Obama campaign release. I concede. You, sir, are a master debater. How many did you have to spend in DC to reach this level of skill?
excuse me, punk, but is this your blog?
no, it's not mine, either. But how in the hell do you get off to insult someone who's been here longer than you?
Brava!
Not only do you mistake the sex of a valued and frequent contributor, your comment is completely content free! Keep it up and you're outta here.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
seriously
I can't take the stream of talking points.
I don't mind the occasional hit and run, but this tool is non-stop clogging up the posts. Can he at least confine himself to a single thread????
Hello, people, click reply and keep stuff in threads.
Dealt with....
Can somebody find me a Bruce Fein Republican who can engage, without the talking point spew? I'd love to have them here.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking
billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
One hell of a post
One hell of a post summarizing why the hatred of the media is a *great* way for McCain/Palin to win:
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefiel...
Like, doy.
Didn't *we* run on that plank, in trying to carry Kerry, now Obama, over the hump, by telling him the media will never be his friend, so why not fight for real issues for the people?
As I was saying, it's a strategic choice
If you want to frame it as a Manichean struggle of good vs. evil, that is your choice. I just hope you are not actually deluding yourself into thinking that Obama, Biden, and the rest of them represent pure, unalloyed Goodness.
And I am the last broad to say Obama, Biden and the DNC
represent unalloyed goodness.
It's just that you spend time making excuses for people who are far, far worse, and are far better organized to carry their plans out.
Whom are you addressing, cg.eye?
Me, or the people (including yourself) impugning my motives and accusing me of associating with Evil?
Truth I welcome...
...Obama campaign releases I can do without, thanks.
I address you, apologist for Evil, apologist for the forces
that wouldn't mind seeing our troops broken, a draft grinding up anyone able-bodied and unable to buy their way out, and would not mind seeing us in perpetual war, because our broken, crazy president was a POW, so that's really bad, and we must trust him about war, don't you see.
Yes, I accuse *you* of associating with Evil, through meretriciousness of thought and action.
It's Manichean, yeah, but when someone puts on the Vader mask it's kinda hard to discuss anything with him unless one resorts to the two-color paint box.
Very well
It's hard to tell who is who online. I just wonder whether impugning posters' motives and calling them evil counts as a substantive comment.
I know you are, but what am I?
You've been on the 'impuging posters' motives' trip since you stepped up here, oh, let's see, one or two weeks ago?
Calling bloggers evil is, yes, bad; I should have called your posts evil, wrong, canned and yes, meretricious. Blame the post, not the poster, right.
Still, going against the evidence of McCain's votes to pretend he cares about the American serviceman more than he does his own ambition -- when the evidence out there is easy to find and substantial -- again, your posts aren't so credible, are they?
It's the choice Democrats made a while ago
To run a campaign based on TV images, not facts or policy. That was the core of Obama's almost exclusively charismatic appeal. Evidently the assumption was that nothing could trump that. Enter Sarah Barracuda.
Fine
You go on and "fight with the truth". I'll stick to fighting for truth.