Xians are desperate to reclaim ’genocide’ from the Jews. Until the 1930s Xians had clung—through the institution of ’martyrdom’—the label of most durable, most persecuted religion. They see the Jews as having usurped their crown-of-thorns.

Armenians were/are (mostly Eastern Rite) “Xians.”

By condemning Turkey (it was the “ottomans” —no, not the footrests) for “(Xian) genocide,” the measure appeals to both the persecutionist Xians (and that’s most of ’em), who need to reclaim ’genocide’ to reclaim the moral ’high ground,’ and the anti-islam xenophobes who just detest Levanters on principle, they appeal to two essential constituencies.

Add to this, there’s a pretty good chance that Turkish military unit are already chasing renegade Kurds over the border into Iraq. It’s only a matter of time until there’s a fatal clash between Turkish and US units. Not “if,” “WHEN.”

SO this is really dangerous, cuz the Turks are 1) numerous, 2) nationalists, 3) well-armed with (top-of-the-line-minus-1) USer/NATO equipment.

The ripples of the Bushevik bare-nekkid plunge into Iraq are spreading and growing.
We won’t know the full extent and reach of the damage these fuckers have caused—with the compliance/complicity of BOTH political parties—for 30 years, if EVER…

Me? A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

Woody, This was quite clearly genocide. I’m a bit sick of these people pretending they didn’t do something everybody on this god damned planet knows full well that they did. I don’t know what the hell to say to someone who wants to pretend otherwise, you aren’t really any better than a holocaust denier, or a skinhead pretending we had the right to do what we did to the natives of this continent. I don’t really care if some moronic Christian wants to appropriate the Armenian genocide. Despite your odd statements, they have already appropriated the holocaust, so I doubt they are just looking for another ’feather’ for their cap.

As for your bizarre fear of Turkey… I don’t know what to say. They will only be able to fight a conventional battle against us, and a conventional battle is one we can win very easily. They will not have the support of the locals, they will not be able to fight a guerrilla war, and therefore they will simply not be able to win any conflict between us. We are not a weak army, we are losing in Iraq because conventional militaries almost always lose to guerrillas fighting on their own territory. If the turks attempted to spread their forces out and hide, they’d be slaughtered by the locals.

I would also like to point out that if Iraq’s territory is violated, we are legally obligated as occupiers to defend that territory and all people within it.

When is the US Congress gonna pass a resolution condemning the US for genocide against the native population of the New World?
Let’s castigate both the Spanish and the English, not to mention the French and the Dutch.
Sheeit, it’s a political thing, aimed at pacifying and placating a reliugious constituency.
The declaration is meaningless.
Chuy!

Me? A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

viz the Hutus vs. the Tutsis in Rwanda, but not (yet) the janjaweed vs. everybody else in Darfur.

Nor yet the US vs. the Iraqis, although we all know that the right’s view is “it’s easier to scoop oil out of a glass pan than fight sand niggers for drilling rights.”

So, yes. There was a genocide by The Ottoman Empire. There was a genocidal attempt (well, actually, more than one; they were after the Gypsies and the dissenters and the gays, too) by the National Socialist Party in Germany between 1939 and 1945 (why in the hell didn’t the Brits give the Jews, particularly the Ashkenazi, a chunk of the former Germany rather than furthering an ongoing genocidal conflict in the Middle East by moving them all to Palestine, anyhow? The lax answer is the Brits/Allies thought they’d get more brown people killed by siccing the Jews and Arabs on each other, but what they really accomplished is: the fighting continues, the dying continues, the hating continues.)

Remnants of the Cherokee, Seneca, Onondaga, Blackfoot, Lakota, Cheyenne, Navaho, Nez Perce, Paiute, Apache, and a handful of other Native American tribes remain, Woody.

But it wasn’t just the whites who practiced “sweeping the lands clean of our enemies.” The Apache and Comanche and Southern Cheyenne displaced each other in waves over the plains and mountains of the West from Ontario to New Mexico, also slaughtering the less-horse-oriented, less-buffalo-dependent groups who were on those lands before them.
In East Texas the Karankawa practiced cannibalism on their enemies, the fish-eaters of the coasts.

It’s human nature, evidently; the name of the gods we blame it on seems to be the only real difference among us.

We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

few, if any, ’successful’ genocides. of course if they’re successful, there aren’t any survivors left to tell the tale. I cannot remember the name of the fella, he was the last member of his once numerous and prosperous indigenous tribe in central California, who died, sometime in the ’20s; at a time, at any rate, when his passing was taken to be as fraught as it was with the significance attributed to it. his last testament is in the smithsonian, iirc…the name’s in a deep memorial lacuna…afaik, the ottomans were no more no no less ’effective’ than were the hutus against the tutsis, many hundreds of thousands of whom survived, innit? a large number of armenians survived the otrtoman onslaught, too.
genocide is intentional extinction, no more or less: it is the thought that counts, non?

Me? A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

he knew he was the last…that’s gotta be dreadful, coming from a tribal culture, in which the strongewt ties are familial…
Me? A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

Her parents worked with him (I guess you might say).

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan