unlike Obama.

this one is gonna suck even worse than the last one--they're sitting at a table and no followups allowed--again.

and Obama's just coasting--no new anything from him tonight-- he's in re-runs already-- http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/...

"... He is not expected to offer any new policy proposals, advisers said, or say anything he hasn’t already addressed. ..."

Funny that the young whippersnapper is just as boring as the old codger.

I'm with Murtha's constituents. No enthusiasm.

Guaranteed to be the first question and/or second and/or third----again.

The Village has already set it all in concrete--which they always do to Democrats. If Obama had any balls, he'd point out that no one cared when Bush, and Reagan, etc, were all bankrupting us.

"... Schieffer, you recall, is the guy who couldn't fathom how being shot down in a plane over Vietnam wasn't a qualification for the Presidency. If there's anyone who's willing to save McCain's honor, it's Schieffer." -- http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/t...

he is a Republican and has had enormous access to Bush and all his unindicted coconspirators.

Seriously, what has McCain got, except five years as a POW?

We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18

they just annoy me too much.

let me know what i missed, ok?

Sheesh.

Does he really believe that?

It pisses me off that they are both very much right-of-center when it comes to taxing, yet, Obama gets attacked for being too liberal on taxes. I wish he was more liberal on taxing. If I hear them arguing who will cut taxes the most one more time I'm going to scream.

Now it's on and I have a feeling I haven't missed much.

I've been waiting for McCain to deliver that line, to be honest.

McCain just specifically brought it up.

Uh-oh!

...he calls it 'vigorous debate' and everyone seems to agree with that characterization, and he's portrayed it as such from Day One. I'm tired of this euphemism.

Oh, this is rich.

And, not in a good way.

that was fucked up.

I notice he did not mention Biden's support of the recent bankruptcy bill when describing how Biden is always there for the "little people."

Earlier, Obama listed Biden, Lugar, and Gen. Jones as people from whom he seeks foreign relations advice--and would surround himself with in the WH.

So, Lugar's going to get a cabinet seat??

did not mention what they said.

There is no way McCain could have gotten away with talking about the specific of the T-shirts.

Not news, but the base hates hearing him say this. It's one of the reasons they despise him as a Republican.

t-shirts at Obama rallies!

Energy discussion: Obama said that within 10 years he will achieve having no imported oil from Middle East or Venezuela (what a sad little swipe at Venezuela! Could be a different prez there in a few years or we could be buddies--sad little rap on Chavez [who does supply low cost oil to the poor and needy in this country]}. We get, based on Jan '08 numbers about 21.8% of oil imports from various ME countries, 10.8% from Venezuela--so he's saying we'll reduce oil consumption in some way by about one-third.

Or just import more from other nations....

Healthcare discussion: Scary--HuffPo reports Obama saying to fundraiser last weekend the following about having "to cut some things out."

As 250 major donors ate beet salad and mahi-mahi under a huge tent, Obama seemed to look ahead to his first term as president.

"We're going to have to make some priorities, we're going to have to cut some things out," he said, referring to expensive goals such as improving health care, schools and college affordability.

"I'm going to be in some fights with my own Democratic Party in getting some of that done," he said.

Which is it, Senator Obama? The healthcare plan you described on the debate? Or something to fight the Dems over?

order to make a decision about abortion! Yikes!

Now, McCain is going on about "health of the mother" being stretched to fit any situation. They both, well, suck.

Here we are still arguing abortion and taxes and Ayers and so on...Why don't we ever get to argue about transportation, urban planning, the environment (in a big way), etc? This was the most horrible debate when it came to actual issues. The VP debate still beat all of the three of McCain/Obama when it comes to real issues.

that education spending is one of the areas where he will have “to cut some things out”???

What will he really do? Who's he trying to bamboozle?

Either that, or there is a post where Obama mentions the things he would sacrifice. It's rather recent. Perhaps, Lambert knows the one I'm talking about.

For the first time ever, I imagined what it must have been like for say a Canadian watching our debates felt like if they'd have switched into this debate only to hear the men running for the highest office in the world for the most powerful country in the world bickering over decided policy and/or incredibly insular policy. It must be extremely disappointing.

BTW, the questioning heavily favored McCain in this last debate. I'm surprised.

And women.

And old women.

If he didn't, why has he not apologized for the mean and nasty things his supporters have said to lambrert on the internets?

The answer is clear my frenz.

so pleased that Obama was cool and calm. Like, what were they expecting? Raging Bull? Crikey.

And the word on McCain was that he was tense!

I hadn't seen tense--I saw the usual upper body stiffness McCain has, presumably from the war injuries.

But, hey, it's what the MCM does--try to shape public perceptions.

Provide facts and fact-based observations? So last century.

the very high deficit and what if anything they would do about it?

Hillary is Obama's debate response surrogate, tonight. I'm really not sure why, to be honest.

And "it took Democratic president" to clean up after a Republican mess.

She still believes, still praising Democratic ideals, even when the actual party isn't living up to them. *sigh*

From the Guardian live blog. His head's as bald as Hank Paulson's!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

What did I miss?

every comment he's made. In criticizing McCain as being too emotional, in contrast to the zen-like even temper of Obama (so cool, calm, and collected), he added that McCain was like the Clintons in that they lead melodramatic lives. And the public doesn't want that again. Huh? The public, Mark?

He came back to that again later, saying that Obama has dreams of what he will do to better the country, but he doesn't feel a "need" to be president--as Bill Clinton did, or LBJ did, and Hillary and McCain do. Again, say wha'?

Then someone added that Obama was burning with amibition, but was zen-like about it... or something close to that.

The MCMers are nearly overcome with their adoration of The One. If they raise nagging questions, they soon drop that approach and get right back in line.

Maria Bartiromo said initially that she was surprised that by now Obama didn't have 3 or 4 things he could list when asked what he would do about restraining spending and working to lower the looming ever-larger deficit' she said McCain did better on that question. Doris Kearns Goodwin also brought that up, before Maria actually; she also noted McCain answered the question better than Obama. However, for some reason, in later commenta about the same thing, they both got back on the Obama is Wondrous bus. No more mention that McCain had done well in at least that area.

Very interesting to watch the CW taking place before my eyes, in less than 30 minutes.

Obama: cool, calm, collected, very presidential. (However, no answers, no ideas as to what to do about Big Me$$ really--that was said early in the discussion--then dropped.)

McCain: Erratic, almost inchorent, disorganized. Too bad he didn't speak truth to the public and tell them they were going to pay and suffer for this big Paulson Fix and the recession. Tell the public to "man up," and then tie that to McCain's own sacrifices in the Vietnam War (which some people think was WWII--even WWI--per Bobo, to let everyone know he's very, very old).

Yep, this is the new narrative:

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — Debates should not be confused with trips to Lourdes: Few miracles are dispensed.

John McCain needed a miracle in his final debate with Barack Obama on Wednesday night, a miracle that would wipe away McCain’s deficit in the polls and re-energize his flagging campaign.

He did not get one. The clouds did not part. Heavenly choirs were not heard. Instead, the American public heard angry attacks from McCain.

Sometimes McCain attacked directly, and sometimes he attacked sarcastically, but he never stopped attacking. And he never rattled Obama. Obama answered every attack and kept his cool.

How cool? Obama was so cool that after 90 minutes under blazing TV lights, an ice cube wouldn’t have melted on his forehead.

Seriously, this would be funny if it weren't so sad. I can hear the jokes now.

Call: "Obama is so cool..."

Response: "How cool is he?"

Call: "Obama's so cool that _____"

Does anyone recall how badly the fair-weather, so-called Democrats ripped on Al Gore and John Kerry for being too cool? There is not anything that Obama's supporters will not apologize for for him. Obama doesn't have any weaknesses, because he not only has his strengths, but every weakness is also a strength.

It's official: Obama is Magic. The irony here is that not only did McCain not have a miracle, but only Obama can produce miracles. lol Perhaps, McCain needs to pray to Obama for a miracle, no?

Is that true?

I'm slow, trying to keep up with this intertoobs thing.

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if nothing else.

I've already seen the "I'm not President Bush" and Joe the Plumber stuff repeatedly within just 1/2 hour of turning on the tv.

Both my parents died by the time I was 35. Is that some kind of disqualification?

You do know Obama's father was killed in a car accident, right?