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the official DNC talking points--
NYT -- http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/... -- "Here’s a copy of the Democratic National Committee’s talking points, e-mailed to supporters and surrogates for use during television appearances and interviews with reporters – about Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Former President Bill Clinton’s speeches on Wednesday night, and the big Barack Obama address here tonight: ..."
Hah, they edit out all the good stuff from Clinton
He really soared on what happened when the Rs got all three branches of government, and on income inequality.
They leave out the meat and give us the mush. Assholes. From Clinton's speech:
The truth that cannot be spoken and perhaps has never been said.
NOTE For those who say: "Then why the fuck don't you vote for the D?" I respond: Things can always get worse.
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Schweitzer put stuff back in
that they had taken out-- "petro-dictators" -- http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0...
"... Schweitzer, other sources said, had already clashed with convention organizers over the editing of his speech. So when he took the stage, the Montana governor expanded dramatically on a prepared text sent by the campaign to reporters, adding signature language that stuck out from the rest of the speakers' words -- he was the only one talking about "petro-dictators" -- and offered a rhetorical merger of environmentalism and patriotism.
"If you would have turned around and looked at the teleprompter, you would have seen that for most of my speech, it didn't move," he said.
The result: The best received speeches in Denver, Schweitzer's and former President Bill Clinton's, were among those over which the Obama campaign had the least control.
"I thought it was a pretty good line when I said, 'The petro-dictators will never own American wind and sunshine,'" he said.
"
Schweitzer
looks harmless*, but packs a punch.
I kinda like him!
*OK, some think he looks like Chucky. I see that too, and I interpret it as how scary Chucky was because of his normalcy. But YMMV.
that punch was in spite of
the Obama people's efforts, which is so wrong.
they softened everyone's speeches except for Schweitzer and Bill, apparently---giant mistake.
OK, y'all
There's a mojito with my name on it, and a Dan Hicks song on the jukebox. (Where's the Money, if you must know) - and the Dodgers are playing in 15 minutes or so.
I won't listen to the Big Speech, but I'll read tomorrow. And I know how to read.
Fear me, Obama.
I Had a Dream, Too.
It is now a nightmare. Obama here, tonight, for this black man, is not a poignant touchstone; it's just, well, plain ironic.
Why?
Expand, please.
I was thinking up on the ladder that it really is a great thing that a black man is running for President. Unfortunately, we're not voting for a black man. We're voting for a black man who gutted the rule of law. And that's an altogether iffier proposition.
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We're possibly voting for a black man who, if he mistakes
his marketing strategy for full support from the Democratic Party, will end up as isolated as a, yes, Black Republican legislator during Reconstruction.
Yeah, I still have to read up -- but I'm wondering why neither Dems or Reps generally ask those questions about a president who demands that he should not have an openly partisan or ethnically-focused base.
If he'll refuse to address the problems of black people as a group, how will he ever find solutions, as the AA community takes on faith he will?
10PM Acceptance speech
Pass the vodka.
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the speech ---
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/poli...
Thanks, amberglow. Maybe I can start getting drunk immediately!
Not a bad speech, although that's only excerpts.
I don't see a thing on health care.
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it seems very defensive and reactive to me--
he's responding to GOP attacks and strawmen, i think.
and he just lists our problems without giving solutions--as usual for him lately.
why release excerpts that don't mention any
of the things he'll do as president?
damon, are you really surprised?
you didn't think that a black populist or radical would ever be allowed to rise so high, did you? obama is exactly like thatcher in this regard. "only nixon could go to china," or "so long as it michael jordan, my white daughter can date him" and all that. anyone 'real' would be taken out well before achieving such fame, as X and King proved to us long ago.
that's why so many thought Powell would be 1st--
pre-Iraq, that is.
pass me the vodka, lambert--
my plans of going out got canceled : <
-- and Sheryl Crow-- so very 90s and Clintonian, no? Is Hootie up next? ; >
Did Richardson always have that beard?
Readers?
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borrowed from Gore-
it's new Dem law, i guess--you have to grow one after you've lost or something?
Lambert
You answered your own question in your response. The irony to which I spoke of is that MLK fought against things like illegal wire-tapping and true social justice, and the man who will almost certainly claim his mantle, tonight, has squandered most of all of that, and my people are falling for it. They didn't just fall for it, they followed him off of the cliff as if it were an honor.
No, I'm not surprised. But, that doesn't mean it hurts any less, my friends. I've talked to relatives, today, who are falling all over themselves with pride, but it doesn't have anything to do with issues. Not one; and it hurts.
Sorry, DamonMI
That must have hurt. Proverbs 16:18....
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hurts many many of us, Damon--
you're so not alone.
I watched the crowds leaving Invesco Field,
as they made their way through nearby Larimer Square.
It felt as if everyone thought a deal was done; that not much else would be needed, or else someone else would do it.
I nodded to the black folks who passed by (don't get het up at the implied bigotry; it is as saying "Landsman!" to a rare fellow Jewish person in the Old West, very Southern, and expected). They were quiet, thinking the same things I was -- do we want to go through this, all over again?
Fight for the new mayors, new congresspeople, then watch as they fall away into their new tribe's habits of corruption and constituent inattention? Will that phalanx of men who shaped his image let him deliver a damn thing the people want, save spectacle?
And, as always, the Memphis question -- hell, during the RFK June mischegas, every black person in the US would have been tried to thoughtcrime, because it's discussed every time we have a quiet moment to think what an Obama presidency would bring. On the bus, coming home a few days ago, it was either that or conjectures of complete election theft, to stop him.
Rabid white men have taught us, you see. If someone is too precious to us to lose, kill him quick or corrupt him quicker. That's more than the Chicago Way; it's the American Way.
The spam detector is very sensitive about the "J" word n/t
.
Because a lot of CT types are really sensitive...
... about it, although for a different reason. Protocols of the Elders of Zion territory.
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Don't know if I'm double-posting, but I got no notice
of anything being in moderation....
I saw people leave Invesco Field, and it was as if something had finished, not begun. There is so much work to do, but will these people do it?
Richardson
Yeah, he grew the beard after he dropped out of the primaries. It was quite a story for a few days when he came back out to endorse Obama during the primaries.
Crowds, wise or not
Back to that earlier discussion on the "surprise visit" -- I finally figured out what made me nervous about it: Obama was addressing a crowd -- that's the flip side of being a rock star. But convention delegates, if you take them seriously, are not just a crowd.* But at that moment, they were.
Which is water bothers me about this stadium, too. It's a crowd, period. That is the purpose of a convention. It's a change in the constitutional order, signaled by all sorts of little cultural events like this.
Gore "coming up"
NOTE * And both Clintons showed how to "work a crowd" while simultaneously giving them respect as delegates.
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also, the long/wide shots make it very impersonal--
everytime they zoom out it's like any other concert/stadium event.
richardson hates the gaiis
which of course means...
this is like a weak FarmAid, LiveAid, etc--
musical acts mixed with earnest talks that aren't paid attention to...
it's weak.
dammit, damon: i am the mulatto dyke, lambert is the
str8 white guy. can't you tell the difference?
jus funnin wit you, bro.
...anyway, yes. i know *exactly* what you mean. however, it's important, lesson-wise, as it shows just how little "race" matters in our media-driven imperial age. everyone, of any age, race or class, is susceptible to the media narrative. thinking people are rare, of any color, and all of america suffers from the religion of Celebrity.
speaking of Celebrity--the bad eyejob & hairplugs
on Biden really don't help Obama, celebrity duo-wise.
/shallow and bitchy
: >
amberglow: snap!
"weak farm aid." that's brilliant.
it's so true, no?
it's like all those events--and certainly is coming off the same way they do on tv.
just replace Blitzer/Matthews with Kurt Loder and Kennedy
; >
Waving flags!
Love the T-shirt on the congas guy.
"Barack the Vote."
Tell that to the TX caucuses. Change in the Constitutional order once again.
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Acceptance speech now 10:15PM
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Did I miss Al Gore?
Tribute to retired generals seems to be the next item on the agenda.
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yup--he lied to us about "experience"
that Obama supposedly now has--and threw in a little environmental scary stuff too.
Antidote to Michael MacDonald
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"the message tonight is that Democrats like to go to concerts?"
-- http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/28/...
Susan Eisenhower!
Why not Mamie?
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Eisenhower sold the shit out of the stupid...
... partisan gridlock meme.
they could've had a 2-fer--the Nixon-Eisenhower
; >
Who will critique the media-critiquers?
I just heard Thom Hartmann (on a replay of his daytime show, I gathered) talking with two guys from MediaMatters.
A caller complained that Obama and the various conventioneers, outside of Bill Clinton briefly, hadn't been talking about restoring the 4th Amendment and other parts of the Constitution lost to the FISA Bill, the Patriot Act extension, etc.
The panel discussed this topic for a few minutes and not once came near mentioning that Obama had voted for both, including lying about his plan to actively oppose the FISA bill.
Goddamn it, truthiness rots everything.
truthiness would be saying Obama will protect our
rights--what they did was just conveniently omit the inconvenient truths.
Actually, they did act like he would protect our rights
So they just fumferred around, suggesting that he hadn't brought it up because it was too subtle or something.
our rights--too subtle?
ugh...
very very related--
http://www.slate.com/id/2198846/?from=rss
== It's the Constitution, StupidYou know, that old piece of paper the Bush administration shredded. Why is no one in Denver talking about it?
I hope Paul Begala is wrong
He said that anyone who was going to fall in love with Obama already has, so tonight would be aimed at independents (wow, what a change of pace!)
Maybe it's Lucy-and-the-football time, but I'm expecting a little more blue tofu from Obama tonight than usual.
Soylent Blue?
i'm on a roll, no?
Pamela Cash-Roper is dynamite
"Can't afford it!"
Take her on the road!
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Funny, the CNN bloviators talking re: John Lewis's heroism...
... didn't mention this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Teh message tonight is "the message." We can be placated w/
concerts, Ipods, texting (@ $.03 per)(hattip to the telecoms), webcasts, youtubes, blogging... you know how it goes. Where is the discussion of the issues? Where are the debates? Where is the hard work to earn people's respect and their vote?
Not here. Not now.
Oh, how I yearn for a candidate that will speak simply and directly about the issues of our world and how we can address them.
I love this job!
30,000 text message signups
At least according to the Colorado GOTV coordinator.
I suppose if this is the solution to turnout, then, well, good.
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hah!
too funny!--
Slate twitter feed--
"# Can't believe the Dems couldn't book Kenny Loggins or Christopher Cross." 41 minutes ago" -- http://www.slate.com/id/2198510/
"# Gore's speech is making me want to write in the Lorax." 55 minutes ago
Did public enemy play in Denver?
Because the stadium soundtrack is all boomer music.
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Public Enemy is Boomer Music?
Say what?
Mid to late 80s? That's my generation of rebellion that segued nicely into Nirvana. For me at least.
I now understand why Teh Message is so important, because
it's prepackaged for immediate comsumption by the The Village. This prechewed information is then spit into our teebees. No thinking, no decisions just hope and change you can believe in.
I love this job!
Durbin is such a tool--
he's like the stupid member of the Chicago gang--but he's the who has the car or something, so Axelrod/Emanuel/Obama let him hang out with them.
www.barackobama.com--not democrats.org
notice?
Notice where?
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above Durbin's head on tv--
it's part of the set or something, i guess.
Durbin, what a tool
Barack Obama doesn't want overreaching government invading our privacy, or words to that effect.
I can cut politicians a lot of slack in a convention speech, but that's just a direct lie: FISA.
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yup--amazing that he would say it
a headspinning lie.
I'm sorry. WHAT?
Jeezum crow, they hope they get more slack than the Bush Administration, don't they?
no Indonesia
in this video--or Hawaii even
I'm guessing on teebee.
I love this job!
Two months of this deceit. Hopefully.
I love this job!
and then...
President Obama? ugh.
President McCain? ugh.
we lose both ways.
a Billy Graham Crusade?
now that's what this is like. (a cross behind his head again too)
Funny, he can't get the crowd to quiet down
Both Bill and Hillary could.
He just keeps saying thank you -- but can't improvise!
Says nice things about the Clintons.
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Barney Smith
I thought Barney Smith (regular Indiana Joe) was going to be a snoozer, but the Barney Smith/Smith Barney burn was the best line of the night.
EDIT: Obama just said "with great humility, I aceept..." Could be possibly be any more see-through? Obama is many things; humble, he's never been. Which, actually wouldn't be a problem, if he had something to back up his confidence.
listen for solutions to these problems
he's mentioning...don't hold your breath tho.
nothing about what he'll do so far...
at all.
... still waiting.
& they have to stop complimenting McCain
continuously--it's idiotic.
Pushed the $5M, which was clearly a joke
.
So far, the themes are anti-Repub
Someone's been listening on framing at fucking long last (I reserve the right to reverse that if that post-partisanship shit rears its head).
Finally mentioned that things were better under Clinton. Waaaaay past fucking time.
So, what policies do we get?
we get nothing, so far--
i'm still waiting for even one solution to all these problems.
ok-we get tax cuts
and lies about oil.
Nice burn on the whiners
But call me cynical -- I can't help comparing this to Jackson's "they work every day," which still brings a lump to my throat, or one of Bill Clinton's stories, where you got the feeling he actually remembered the person. Obama doesn't give me that feeling (or bring a lump to my throat).
That said, this is good class warfare red met -- worse than Clinton, but better than Kerry.
NOTE Hat tip DamonMI for teaching me "burn".
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The $5M?
I love this job!
"Eight is enough"
[spontaneous demonstration]
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"Our government should work for us...
... not against us."
Nice to hear a D defending government.
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even now he's not saying he'll do these things--
decent education, safe toys, jobs, etc...
only tax cuts???????
"Exactly what I mean..."
I've been waiting for this:
1. Tax policy
2. No capital gains tax on small bus
3. Cut taxes on 95% [middle? Working?] class
4. 10 yrs no dep oil mideast [Even possible?]
5. Natural gas, clean coal, nukes, auto companies retool
6. $150 billion in wind and solar and biofules -- 5M new jobs pay well and can't be outsourced [why?]
7. Education -- community service -> college education [good idea]
8. Affordable accessible health care. If have, lower premiums, if don't, can get what members of Congress have. Stop discrimination against sick. [new, I think]. mediocre No [x] from me.
9. Equal pay for equal work. Daughters [what did they learn from the primary...]
Pay for with [missed something] Slashing the federal bureaucracy.
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you can't cut taxes and spend on us
at the same time--which parts of this is all lies? (i say the spending and doing part)
You can if you raise taxes elsewhere
but he doesn't say that.
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even if you do, we still have trillion $ deficits, and
are gonna still be spending billions a month in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
With all due respect, Lambert, defending government is
not what we need now. I'd love to hear about how he's going to provide that tax cut...it's going to be a David Copperfield moment.
I love this job!
Don't knock it
It goes against 30 years of conventional wisdom.
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eliminating programs? like faith-based? nope.
this is a crock of shit.
We import barely any oil from the Middle East--note he did not
say reduce dependence on OIL. All oil is priced the same, no matter where it comes from. This was no biggie.
Clean coal? Some call that a fantasy. Safe nuclear energy? Sure, and where do we store the spent fuels?
Some of the laundry list sounds good--his way of paying? Kind of fairy tale: the ever sought, seldom found waste and inefficiency. There was some kind of taxing of corporations? Not sure.
I missed what kind of healthcare--but he did say anyone could get into the Fed plans? Or just those who couldn't
get private? What was there?
he said we can buy into what Congress has--
which is another lie.
and that he'd reduce premiums on people who already have insurance--which is impossible for him to do since that's private insurance.
He's Killing...
Where was this Obama, yesterday? I can't but help feel even while loving it that he can turn this on and off, and it'll be off, tomorrow. There is just no real passion in it.
this is the 1st day of this new Obama--
we'll have to see whether it's real or lies like his promises in the primaries were.
"... have to change that people can disagree without challenging
people's character...."
Well, sure. Unless they're women or bitter clingers, of course. What a crock. He did nothing else the whole primary, and to entire classes of people.
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I was in the midst of eating, and deliberately let that slide
lest that lie disrupt my delicate digestive processes.
urp
"Party of Roosevelt, Party of Kennedy"
But, I just don't believe it. It is, quite simply put, unbelievable. I know, I know, you'll say that he can't win for losing, and maybe that's true, but this conversion on the road to Dasmascus is all too convenient.
He's responding to Hillary and Bill, period. He's reacting. This is a game, to him. This isn't a proactive speech.
yup--totally--
he'll say what they tell him to if he can win with it.
he has no track record of ever doing any of this stuff that all of a sudden he now cares about.
Post-Partisan Bullshit...Again.
When will he stop with this?
he can't achieve the previous stuff and also be
post-partisan--that's what belies his conversion to a red-meat Dem--it always has.
Bold on the gay
Not. Hospital visitation rights and no discrimination.
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DamonMI, Are you saying he's Ba rocking the speech?
I love this job!
he stole that line too--it's been all about him and not us!
that's why he hasn't secured the base--let alone attracted GOP and IND.
Ugh. I was actually liking most of this...
... but I need the bucket for that one.
Ditto
Funny, my mind wandered and I started doing other stuff right then.
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On all that green stuff
That's really for the finance crowd, not the workers. See this essential reading from Eric Jansen.
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Heated campaign rhetoric?
Just like in OH I fear this is all "just words." Especially, after Obama said he didn't believe you should engage in the politics of personal destruction. Or Obama continually harping about "change" after having selected Biden and being surrounded by the entrenched DC establishment (Daschle, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, etc.). Or after Richardson, Durbin, and others attacked those who voted for FISA...without acknowledging Obama's vote.
OK, WTF
! Obama just said, "If you don't have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone you should run from." Are you fucking kidding me?! Basically, he just outed himself.
Matthews will have more tingles up his leg
i'm betting.
this is an incoherent and wholly contradictory speech.
amberglow--re: the Lithwick article--The Dems can't go whole hog
after the warrantless wiretapping or privacy or the 4th Amendment, all that Constitutional stuff--bcz Obama himself voted to give Bush all the powers he wanted and voted against the rights of the people and against the Constitution.
It's too embarrassing to bring up. The crazy aunt in the attic. Not to be mentioned.
i know--it's appalling
--and tells us that no Democrat will reverse any of that--not one.
Belief you can change.
jawbone:
(re: your comment on the Lithwick article)
This has been my problem with the whole "change" theme of Obama's campaign. It doesn't have teeth.
Change I can believe in would lead to consequences-- for all of the people responsible for the past eight years.
Some can just go home, and leave public service forever.
Others have committed crimes, and need to go to prison.
Several of those at the highest levels should be tried-- for war crimes-- in The International Court (whose authority we still don't recognize).
Unfortunately, many of these people have D's by their name (and we need the Republicans to like us in order to win the election).
So we choose to just sweep it all under the rug as we always tend to do. It's our nature-- and our history-- to conveniently forget our national crimes.
These particular criminals will be back in a few years--unpunished and stronger for it.
(This is similar to the observation that the U.S mainstream media will never fully examine-- in our lifetimes, anyway-- the causes and conditions that allowed Bush to succeed in nearly every perverted adventure he and his administration desired. The media elite are complicit.)
The inconvenient truth is that we need to dismantle our current system of government in order to restore democracy to America.
Red America can sleep well tonight- knowing that whatever the outcome in November, the leaders of their party will be safe from prosecution.
Read Glenn G. today?
he's gonna break out in a hymn soon
i bet.
Too bad he had his fill of content...
... about 5 minutes before the end.
Oh, geez, shitty country music for heartland cred.
Davidson, what the hell does that mean? "if you don't have a
record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone you should run from"? That's down right nasty.
I love this job!
Obama projects at times
Like during The Race Speech he said that a candidate exploits race to cover up for their weaknesses. But, damn, to say that line now after the shit he pulled against both Hillary and Bill Clinton is just too much. Worse, I don't think for a second he believes he was ever at fault. Disturbing.
just all over the place--
what was our takeaway?
he's gonna respect everyone, yet do stuff for us that they won't ever allow?
we must elect him or we're "turning back"?
???
Ok, the Greco-Roman thing? What do y'all think of it? It looked
somehow better before all the people were there--now it looks kinda tacky and small. And those few pathetic firworks? Oh, no!
They all look so...distant from everything.
Ah, fireworks from around the top of the stadium. Blown confetti.
And the principals look so very small and far away....
What's the closing music?
And they could have used some advice from the Chinese on the fireworks...
looked like a waste of $$--
this speech should have been in the convention center.
Glad I'm not listening...
Suckers!
He said he wouldn't vote for the FISA bill but he did anyway. He says one thing about Iraq while his (most likely #1) adviser says what he says now won't matter once he's president (or paraphrasing).
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...can't get fooled again.
MSNBO--"take pride that this nation
can produce men and speakers like that"
"spellbinding" "extraordinary political statement"
-- Olbermann
Aw, man!
You made me go off my lekkage-free diet! Ick, now I have to wash out my brains...
Matthews--"a challenge"
"choosing the unknown is what we did we picked Roosevelt" -- "and Reagan"
"attacking from a defensive position"
wtf?
Boring bullet points about policy, Obama style
Terrific peroration.
But for me, it's just like after Hillary and Bill -- they made the case, but I already knew that case, and just because someone new presented the logic didn't change the logic.
So, best speech I've heard him give. But I already knew he could give a good speech. I think the commenter who said it was reactive not pro-active had it right. We're hearing boring bullet points about policy -- and lots of boomer music -- because he's decided to go after HIllary voters. Good. And we get? I want that broken health care plan fixed, and I want somebody credible put in charge of that now, because after FISA I don't trust him any farther than I can throw a piano. A concert grand. So, no [x] from me because the health care bullet point is a fail.
And whatever happened to the old political maxim to always book a hall that's too small for the crowd?
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
CNN--"every single point a rebuttal"
of GOP attacks.
CNN sez he said he can pay for his plans and that "he's not...
... a liberal." Did he say that?
liberals don't make taxcuts a priority--
we don't promise tax cuts that reduce govt money--we use govt and its money and power to help people---that costs money.
he said he would pay for his plans by "reducing govt. waste" and "cutting programs that don't work"--that's pure GOP bs.
Roosevelt was a fairly well-known quanity--gov of NY, secty of
Navy. But, that was Tweets, right?
yup--while he was creaming
of course.
now they're all praying?
ugh
Good thing I turned it off
or I would have lost another keyboard.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
An appropriate article for tonight
How Obama's grandeur makes him unreachable to most people, physically and emotionally (e.g., he lectures from podiums rather than speaks to us on our level). Basically, we feel we are witnessing a man of mythical Greatness so it's difficult for us to relate to him (think: George Washington). He desperately lacks the common touch:
Lecturing vs teaching
Last night, Bill Clinton was teaching -- that riff on "finally the Republicans took power and look what they did" was like a distillation of five years of blogging -- but tonight Obama was lecturing. You could almost see the outline Clinton was mentally working from, flexing beneath the words. Obama does that on the phrasing -- the peroration was terrific -- but he doesn't have that beautiful logical flow of connected ideas; they just come in a sequence, with no flow. And that to my mind is what gives Clinton the common touch, because somewhere (given time) he's going to make a real person part of the flow, with a story. I never got the feeling that Obama's stories were about real people. They were about types. What can I say.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Lambert, Bill's common touch comes from an uncommon mind--
It is not easy to make ideas flow logically for others to follow. That was the astonishing thing about Bill Clinton's ability to communicate. I stand in awe of him.
He took complex ideas, which leave most pols wandering the in the tall weeds when they try to explain things to people, and he could make a logical, understandable explanation. He never spoke down to people--he just knew how to summarize, synthesize, organize.
You mentioned seeing the muscular flex of the outline under his words. Yes! He would answer questions with a restatement of the question, then a topic sentence, explanatory parargraph (brief), a summary to tie things up.
Brilliant. And so difficult to do. Just ask anyone to state anything in few words. Like tell someone what the it means to be a Democrat....
i still say it was incoherent and contradictory
--at all levels.
It was a pastiche, but...
... it was far more partisan than anything I've heard him do. It petered out at the end, and the phony crap about it being about you and such did undercut the sense that one should believe anything he said, but all told it was far better than what I've heard from him thus far.
after 2 years of denigrating partisan stuff,
one speech with partisan stuff is not enough.
in fact it proves that he has no actual
stance--it's all interchangable if it works---none of it is authentic.
"All Over The Place"
I noticed that, as well. I couldn't grab onto anything, and he's made it, also, that you HAVE to compare this to his 2004 keynote speech, which was way better.
Ironically, these stadium rallies and feel-good speeches are "more of the same." We get it. You could feel the Great Rift Valley with the throngs of humanity if you'd have wanted to. And?
I'm with Washington Clinton delegate Ann Mills Price, on this one. You've got two months, Barack, two months. You've got two months to make me believe you, two months to prove to me that you even have half the passion of Al Gore.
That is something that I'd never thought I'd type: "Al Gore" and "passion" in the same sentence. Seriously, Al and Hill never looked so good as