I don't mean to go too hard on jurassicpork, who has many good things to say in this post, which is worth reading (via Avedon), but when it comes to the title ("I Didn't Vote for Neville Chamberlain"), I do have a nit to pick. Er, dude, you totally voted for Neville Chamberlain. That's not something that Obama is just now revealing about himself. It was one of his selling points. He campaigned on being Neville Chamberlain, promising to bring peace in our time.
Obama in one of his 2007 ads (emphasis mine):
We are in a defining moment in our history. Our nation is at war. The planet is in peril. The dream that so many generations fought for feels as if it's slowly slipping away. And that is why the same old Washington textbook campaigns just won't do. That's why telling the American people what we think they want to hear instead of telling the American people what they need to hear just won't do. America, our moment is now. I don't want to spend the next year, or the next four years, refighting the same fights we had in the 1990s. I don't want to pit red America against blue America. I want to be president of the UNITED States of America.
It was the theme of Andrew Sullivan's Atlantic puff piece cover story praising Obama. Here's Sullivan:
At its best, the Obama candidacy is about ending a war—not so much the war in Iraq, which now has a mo mentum that will propel the occupation into the next decade—but the war within America that has prevailed since Vietnam and that shows dangerous signs of intensifying, a nonviolent civil war that has crippled America at the very time the world needs it most. It is a war about war—and about culture and about religion and about race. And in that war, Obama—and Obama alone—offers the possibility of a truce.
It was an underlying theme in David Brooks' endorsement of Obama in the Democratic Primary:
Moreover, he has a worldview that precedes political positions. Some Americans (Republican or Democrat) believe that the country’s future can only be shaped through a remorseless civil war between the children of light and the children of darkness. Though Tom DeLay couldn’t deliver much for Republicans and Nancy Pelosi, so far, hasn’t been able to deliver much for Democrats, these warriors believe that what’s needed is more partisanship, more toughness and eventual conquest for their side.
In fact, not "refighting" the 1990s was such a campaign theme, that Barney Frank took him to task for it.*
Here's the thing - the only way to avoid a war the other side is intent on waging is to do whatever is necessary to appease the other side. If you aren't willing to do that, you're going to be in a war. So unless you believed that the GOP had changed and wasn't interested in continuing the war of the 1990s or that Obama was lying (a particular favorite belief among some progressives ), it was pretty clear that Obama, at the very least had Neville Chamberlain tendencies when it came to fighting the right.** Any doubt about Obama's sincerity on that score, should've vanished as Obama repeatedly praised the Republicans on the other side of those wars during the Democratic primary.
Now maybe Chamberlain can turn into Churchill (I tend to doubt it, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong). But who Obama can become is a different question than who he is.
So I've got Obama's back on this one. He's only doing exactly what he said he'd do - try to end those awful wars with Republicans. That doing so means accepting terms liberals won't like, well, Obama has also been pretty clear on what he thinks about liberals.
* You know, when people on the other side of the war praise your guy for being able to end the war while your comrade in arms calls foul, that's kind of a red flag. I'm just saying.
** Obama has, of course, never shown the slightest bit of hesitation in using any tactic to beat a fellow Democrat.
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http://www.correntewire.com/obama_stump_...
Thank you, BDB
I'm still doubtful about Afghanistan, and appalled about the post-LaborDay student speech. (And I'm an educator. It did not help me and most likely hurt me in my efforts to help my students succeed.) Get a clue: Rethgulicans' plans suck. My students need actual help from the government. They are, believe it or not, trying, to succeed. You know what holds them back? POVERTY, and its effects.
I'm going to beat myself senseless during the health care, I mean "insurance", reform speech.
And then I'll wake up and start all over again. Get up, stand up!
We can't afford not to have single-payer!
Scoutt
Oh man, reading the race baiting article still makes me hurt. When I watched that unfold I saw into the man Obama.
Speaking of a non-devisive, non-bitchy president, I was reading America blog about wussy Obama, a commenter said Hillary would've been better. John's response - she refused to do an interview with him because there would be a "gay" question. That, according to John was "a skeleton in her closet". "And she didn't even win the election!" he said. This is A list blogging?
Shoot, I can crank out bulldookie like that.
Did You Find the Actual Wilentz Article?
Because I looked for it, but was unable to find it on TNR's website.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Just exerpt on corrente.
I remember it VERY well during the primary. Heartbreaking to watch so many democrats turn on clintons in the ugliest way possible. They wanted to get ugly... If u took 2 seconds to think about playing the race card in a dem primary, you'd dismiss it immedately. And just looking at the records of the clintons vs Obama on minority issues, you could never consider such an OuTRAGEOUS accusation.
So disgusting.
This one?
The link doesn't work (anymore).
If this is one, here it is cached.
And here are extensive excerpts.
IIRC, there was more than one Wilentz article, though.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Superdelegates chose Obama
People still forget that. Obama depended heavily on caucuses, particularly red state caucuses, which were vulnerable to fraud. And let's not even get into the whole RBC decision.
I, too, have been hearing, "If Clinton was so bad-ass how come she got her ass handed to her by Obama?" (Mind you, when I remind them of all the large state and battle ground state primaries she won, they scream something to the effect of, "Doesn't count! Racist!") Then there's also: "Clinton wouldn't have been any better than Obama because she was a corporate hack!" But, then again, she would never have been cut any slack, the total opposite of how the supposed left reacts to Obama's embrace of the right.
I've always liked this map
Here. SDs were the rules, live or die by them.
And fortunately the caucus process will be reformed. Oh, wait..
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Except
A new rule was fabricated on Obama's behalf: "The will of the voters" had to be respected (i.e., whoever won the state got the supers... except in states that Hillary won).
Again, not to mention the assigment of all undeclared MI votes to someone who wasn't on the ballot. Plus four more, willy-nilly re-assigned from the candidate that the people voted for. Rules are rules, and the ruling class gets to make 'em up as they go.
A Clarification Re Leveraging Village/Establishment Power
I should've noted that Obama may not, in fact, be able to fight and that his ability to gut Democrats relies to a great extent on his ability to get the establishment to do his dirty work. He didn't so much effectively fight Clinton as he chummed the water and let the media - and various party officials - do it for him (and even then, he had to limp across the finish line). With Palmer, he relied on the Chicago, er, system. There's little to no evidence, from what I've seen, that he has any capacity to take on the establishment, which is what is required in fighting the GOP/Village
machine. Because so much of the political establishment is always willing to gut a Democrat, but to take on the GOP crazies, that's, well, crazy!
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
"I Didn't Vote for Neville Chamberlain"
"I Didn't Vote for Neville Chamberlain" I find this insulting, sure Chamberlain made mistakes, but "appeasement" was forced on the guy. Obama is at the head of a conquering army, even "Vichy" or "Quisling" is too kind for Obama and his merry band of dead-enders.
Consider:
Chamberlain died on 9 November 1940, Churchill said of him "Whatever else history may or may not say....Neville Chamberlain acted with perfect sincerity....to save the world from the awful, devastating struggle in which we are now engaged."
They voted not for Chamberlain, but for Oswald Mosley.
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JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream