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As I noted in comments elsewhere, is Hillary never to mention RFK and his campaign? Is she supposed to say "The night RFK won the CA primary and was handed a basket of warm kittens?"

And what Bartcop said.

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Submitted by koshembos on

It's futile to argue with an armed rubber in an attempt to convince him/her a list of banks he/she is not going to rob. One Libby Copeland in the WaPo said: In
the context of Obama, Clinton’s words broke a double taboo
. So there you have it, the guy is a walking taboo. Anything Hillary will say breaks a taboo to be defined by Obama's ____s [Vastleft editing here: you've been asked three times to cut that out. If you want to push that meme, do it on your own blog.] and the behind the scene Axelrod.

Instead of going defensive, how about starting an offense. Mr. Obama is way too sensitive to be president. It's obvious that we cannot support him in November. Let them try to appease us.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

Oh, now I get it.

Yes, this has been frustrating to me. I try to be PC, in public, and tolerance and respectful of others feelings. This tendency has always been used against us by Republicans, to see it used against us by fellow Democrats is almost more than I can bear.

So, my understanding from recent discussions here at The Mighty Corrente Building is that we can't:

1. Use the Obama's own words against them.

2. Use historical references against Obama.

3. Call Obama out on his sexism.

Are there any more? Is there anything we are allowed to use against Obama?

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Submitted by lambert on


Now shut the Fuck up feel the Unity.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by leah on

I want to do a post about what's special about Keith's special comment, and though I did see it as broadcast, I can't play the video; anyone have a link to the text, to help me buttress my memory?

Also, another line of questioning maybe we should be taking up; how good were those Special Comments when he was going after Bush. Were they essentially different in some way? I think you can spot some problems that might have predicted this revoltin' development, once he turned his gaze on the Democratic primary. He is one of the cable boiz, after all.

Submitted by lambert on

... but you can't take the Village out of the Boi.

Great idea, Leah. Also, I saw that your unpublished piece had an unclosed link, so I fixed it. It would be great to have that post, and it doesn't need to be perfect. Plus, I'm thinking of where to go after puppies... Iguanas? Giant Insects from Another Galaxy?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by vastleft on

It's the difference between truth and untruth.

With Bush, Olbermann had had his fill of the bullshit, and he "snapped," in the good, Howard Beale kind of way.

With this campaign, he chose to go truthy. He cut corners and decided to tack with the prevailing wind.

No doubt, believing his own hype added to his readiness to pump his preferences into sage wisdom and angry exhortations.

The speechifying was a tonic when little truth was being told elsewhere, but when he's reached the point where "invoking" a memory of an assassination is tantamount to inciting one, the shark is well behind him.

Submitted by cg.eye on

KO had not much of an audience until he went ballistic about the Bush Administration. Suddenly, MSNBC had a means of distinguishing itself from Fox News, and it could do more than repeat tired Dateline compilations.

So they gave KO slack on his leash, and he started doing more and more Special Commentaries. Problem, his bosses learned the wrong lesson -- it wasn't the H. Beale anger that galvanized, it was the truth told simply and well.

After his rise, well, it became how to hew the message to the rest of GE's corporate goals. Note that Rachel Maddow has *lost* time on Air America to discuss politics in depth; one hour is a MSNBC shallowfest simulcast, and the last hour is David Bender being boring with listener calls. In return for that lack of depth, Maddow gets her spotlight.

Anyone surprised that with all this movement to get non-GOP voices at MSNBC that they haven't rehired Phil Donahue, who had outstanding ratings before he was fired? That's my touchstone about their supposed commitment toward balance -- have someone who can be and remain saner than the shouters on Tweety's show.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

Sexism even when he was our favorite guy. So I am not least bit surprised by his behavior, I really think it's because she's a woman.

Plus, not to be disparaging, but he got his start in sports. I honestly think that he saw there was a part of the news market whose needs weren't being met, and played into it for viewers.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by bringiton on

Text for this particular "Special Comment".

The words themselves, bad as they are, do not do justice to the magnitude of derangement. This is one you have to see to appreciate the level of demagogery involved, and the depth of frustration that she hasn't disappeared already. Get thee to a library.

For a rather delicious example of Olbermann having to defend himself from winger distortions of his words, see transcript here.

MSNBC transcripts page.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

Nada Planada since Friday, and they usually post all KO's special vomits.

“I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” - Will Rogers

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Submitted by jbaker on

Been lurking here for a while, but this is my first post.

Here's my question: Hillary is not allowed to invoke historical figures or events (LBJ, MLK, RFK) because they reflect poorly on Obama.

Why does he get to keep invoking Reagan? (who, by the way, was shot also).

I guess I would like a president who actually understands history in its context, as opposed to one who cherry picks "convenient" facts about an historical figure.

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Submitted by Rrose on

One can only imagine how upset KO must have been with Emilio Estevez for making the movie "Bobby". Perhaps he mentions this in his special comment. I couldn't listen past the half way mark. I had to stop. I was stress eating my way through a bag of creative class cheetos (Barbara's Jalapeno Cheese Puffs) whilst listening.

Yes, yes, I know Emilio's just a movie guy and that was 2 years ago.. there's no comparison. Or...

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Submitted by amberglow on

he gets his own hour now, right before Tweety --

"Yesterday marked three months since MSNBC's David Shuster returned from his suspension for saying, "Doesn't it seem like Chelsea's sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?"

Since he's returned, he has continued to contribute to Hardball as well as guest anchoring other programs. It appears now he may be settling into a new permanent gig. ..."

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Submitted by hobson on

I have to wonder if Obama has any more Secret Service than Hillary. Fer crine out loud, the right has accused her of murder, lesbianism, and every other thing imaginable for such a long time that I have to believe she gets as many death threats as he does.

Then there is the Luttwak article that Leah blogged on where he says that Obama is ripe for killing because he is an apostate Muslim. "With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric,..."

This is in the New York Times. Well, maybe they'r hoping... No, I dasn't say it.

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Submitted by bringiton on

I've watched it five times now. I like it best when he starts to sputter and his head vibrates. He's a cartoon character having a meltdown, Yosemite Sam in a suit and tie.

I think Hillary should have her people call his people and arrange another interview. Sort his lame ass out on national teebee like she did last time. Take him to task. Bring him to heel. Sic 'em, Hil! Get 'em good.

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Submitted by vastleft on

... I don't know, the Zapruder film, do you know what's going on at about 1:30 in when there's a sound like a gunshot and he ducks?

Was that a cheesy and tasteless planned bit of stagecraft? Did Mike Huckabee burst into the room? Or was it some eerily coincidental noise on the set?

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Submitted by bringiton on

Leaning on a chair and, mesmerized at the horror unfolding in front of their eyes, pushed the chair over. Or, could have been a dropped clipboard. He did flinch, but when your blood pressure is like 250/200 that will happen.

Unhinged. I think this clip is a fascinating, beautiful thing to watch, but then I am a sick bastard.

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Submitted by vastleft on

... the ghost of Edward R. Murrow to, whaddaya call it, go into a room with him and only one will come out.

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Submitted by leah on

Bringiton - I really needed that text...

I'm going to have my own really, really Special Comment on Keith's. Couldn't have done it without all this help.