They were little people, niggers like us. They deserved what they got.

Move along, people, move along. There’s no story here.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Tell me why you fail to applaud Blackwater for disrupting an ATTACK on a US State Department Convoy, which could have resulted in the loss of American lives. Without facts, you immediately take sides with those shooting at said State Department convoy.

You’re a turd in my opinion— the country is eaten up with corruption. Most Blackwater guys I’ve worked with are guys working hard to see that change occurs. Most of them are dyed in the wool patriots, helping out with numerous projects including infrastructure development, protective services and security. You sound like a little shit who hasn’t ever had to fight for anything in his life. Mocking the attempted assasination of US government personnel is pretty low.

Why don’t you get on the side of America son and root for the home team. Just a thought.

James

Sorry, but the “home” being fought in is, um, Iraq. If State Department personnel are so beloved that they can’t drive down the street without being attacked on sight, even when being escorted by mercenaries in large numbers, perhaps we ought to reconsider whether either they or the mercenaries are being properly deployed.

You also overlook the fact that hired guns like Blackwater are being paid vastly more than US military members who would otherwise be performing tasks like this. Is this what you consider a proper show of “supporting our troops”, forwarding our cause (whatever that is), or for that matter expenditure of YOUR tax money?

Oh, and just for the record, what part of Iraq are you posting from? I always assume anybody who thinks the Iraqi Occupation is such a splendid endeavor should logically be taking part in it, eh?

It’s not likely to happen.

There are over 150,000 private contractors in Iraq with a financial stake in keeping the Endless War endless.

Blackwater represents everything that has gone wrong with America since 2000. They no more represent America than the corporations that backed the Nazis in WWII did.

The real problem is that they’re the tip of a very corrupt iceberg that is the military industrial and political power base for much of America.

Despite their power, there is now massive opposition to them among American voters.

Even though the corporate machine that controls the defense and security industry also controls the mass media, they are finding their lies are more often ringing hollow in the ears of those voters.

They will be getting more strident, and be more bullying and violent as the 2008 elections approach.

The keys to stopping Blackwater are with information and education. Only these will defeat the shocks these criminals will seek to use to manipulate the system. We’ll only be free of them when we prosecute the profiteers of endless war.

No Hell below us
Above us, only sky

Naomi (reg. req.):

Much of the parallel disaster economy has been built with taxpayers’ money, thanks to the boom in privatized war-zone reconstruction. The giant contractors that have served as “the primes” in Iraq and Afghanistan have spent large portions of their income from government contracts on their own corporate overhead—between 20 and 55 percent, according to a 2006 audit of Iraq contractors. Much of those funds has, quite legally, gone into huge investments in corporate equipment, such as Bechtel’s battalions of earth movers, Halliburton’s fleets of planes and trucks, and the surveillance architecture built by L-3, CACI, and Booz Allen. Most dramatic has been Blackwater’s investment in its paramilitary infrastructure. Founded in 1996, the company has used its steady stream of contracts to build up a private army of 20,000 on-call mercenary soldiers and a military base in North Carolina worth between $40 million and $50 million. It reportedly has the ability to field massive humanitarian operations faster than the Red Cross, and boasts a fleet of aircraft ranging from helicopter gunships to a Boeing 767.

Plus there is a little outfit known as Triple Canopy ready to step in and handle our private security needs. Heck, we paid for them, we might as well use them.

“A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” - Margaret Mead

we had a fun conversation over a few drinks, and he told me about his company’s adventures in af’stan. spooky shit.

sigh. the troll on this board sums up the problem. for guys like him, it’s all just a big game. the human life lost is mythologized in his mind into Good and Evil, and he’s always on the Right Team. childish and pathetic, really. at least the TC guy i spoke with had a brain, and clearly was in it for the money and not afraid to admit it. james, i hope you too enjoy a couple range rovers and personal jets; otherwise your support for endless MIC adventures just makes you seem like a sucker. if you’re going to be a heartless and bloodthirsty racist, you may as well make a little money off it.

But James, you don’t give any.

Of course, it’s hard work being a troll, so maybe you don’t have the time. On the other hand, maybe you don’t give any because you don’t have any.

And “turd” is so not original. Why not follow Admiral Fallon, and call us “little ass-kissing chickenshits”? Oh, wait… That might call up awkward associations…

In closing, please don’t expose your pathetic need to be dominated by leaving comments like this. You’re embarassing all of us.

Peace out….

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

’Nuff said. Hey, Lambert, can you check to see if James’s IP is from Moyock, NC?

But I still believe
And I will rise up with fists!!

Nor would you want me to. Eh?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

the US Army in this case but a group of mercenaries, “private security contractors”. That’s kinda the problem here, eh?

(not directed at you Scar, but rather at “James.” And I hear they—the Blackwaters, the Custer Battles, all that ilk—really, really hate the word “mercenaries” and try to scrub it out wherever they find it. I therefore intend to use it at any opportunity I get, and as Hecate says about patriarchy, I get a lot of opportunities.)

If this encounter had been between the US Army escorting a State Department mission, and some unspecified insurgents—pause for question: why do we not refer to these people as “resistance fighters”? We would under any other circumstance of any other war would we not?—ahem, as I was saying, in such a case we would have some level of accountability. Chain of command. UCMJ.

Blackwater? Invoices.

It will be interesting to see how the use of mercenaries plays out when the stab-in-the-back meme really gets virulent. Who want to bet the next Rambo is a merc?

As you say, Xan: Invoices.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Gonna be interesting to see how this one plays out.

“…we want to continue to work with the sovereign government of Iraq to accomplish our mutual objective, which is a free country that can govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself…”

George W. Bush, December 4, 2006.

… that a heavily armed, Christianist mercenary group operating in a jurisdictional vacuum would commit any wrongdoing.

Blackwater is a right-wing extremist group that is growing into a powerful army capable of doing a lot of damage. The must be dissolved immediately before more damage is done.

Mercs forfeit their claim to human rights when the proclaim their life-and-death loyalty to the Almighty Dollar, and agree to eschew normal, human compassion and mercy by killing for profit.
I don’t and won’t shed a fucking tear for ANY of the blood-thirsty sonsobitches…

“A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner”

But even if they are, what could go wrong?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince

Erik Prince (born June 6, 1969 in Holland, Michigan) is the founder and owner of the military support contractor Blackwater USA. A millionaire and former US Navy SEAL, after high school he briefly attended the United States Naval Academy before attending and graduating from Hillsdale College. After college, he earned a commission in the United States Navy after joining in 1992, and served as a Navy SEAL officer on deployments to Haiti, the Middle East and the Mediterranean, including Bosnia. When his father Edgar Prince unexpectedly died in 1995, he ended his Navy service prematurely. After Erik’s mother, Elsa Prince, sold the family’s automobile parts company, Prince Corporation, for $1.3 billion to Johnson Controls, Inc., Erik moved to Virginia Beach and personally financed the formation of Blackwater USA at the age of 27.

Prince is the brother of Betsy DeVos, a former chairman of the Republican Party of Michigan and wife of former Alticor (Amway) president and Gubernatorial candidate Dick DeVos.

Prince’s first wife, Joan Nicole Prince, died of cancer in 2003, and he has since remarried and has six children. He now runs Prince Group, Blackwater’s parent company, from an office in McLean, Virginia and also serves as a board member of Christian Freedom International, a nonprofit group with a mission of helping “Christians who are persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ”.

The DeVos connection I think I had heard of but the Christianist angle I did not know about. Like I needed something else to loathe Blackwater for.

Prince Namor was ranting about “mercenaries” after watching the news tonight (NBC) and was going on about how such forces can never be trusted. They fight for whoever provides the paycheck, and if the “enemy” of today reaches out with a bigger paycheck they will switch sides on a dime tomorrow.

Doesn’t sound like that’s likely with this outfit…but then again historically mercenary armies and “foreign legion” type operations stake their loyalty to their immediate superior on the ground, not any higher-ups.

Or as the Prince put it, “We’re putting US soldiers’ lives at risk for a bunch of guys who 10 years ago were thumbing through the Help Wanted ads in the back of ’Soldier of Fortune’ magazine.”

http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/…

I love the name “Erik-with-a-K” “Prince” (heh, my clumsy morning fingers left out the “n” and typed “Price”…). Such a potent signifier.

So, Erik’s on the board of an outfit that rescues missionaries. That’s always been a useful way to start a war.

But if chaos is The Plan, I can’t imagine a better way to implement it than by privatizing what used to be the state’s monopoly of violence.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Blackwater operates with ROE not unlike what our military uses. Blackwater parading around Iraq shooting anything they please is a myth propogated by little left-wing faggot Al Gore fanboys such as yourself.

I think God every single day of my life that little shits like you don’t run this country. And you know what? You never will. All brains and no balls. Try growing a set.

You don’t serve because you can’t. You’d choke. You’re scared. I can smell the fear on you right now. You tell yourself shit like, “I’m too smart for that…” or “I don’t like people telling me what to do, I’m such a rebel…..” Spare me the bullshit. You’re not that fucking important and you never will be.

You make yourself feel better about the fact you have no backbone by calling everyone that believes in something a murderer or a right-winger or a (OMG) Christian!

It’s sad that you fit the ’typical dumbass liberal’ stereotype so well that I’ve got you pegged after reading only one article.

There is at least 42,000 other blogs just like this all across the internet with little faggot ass pukes like you bitching and whining about this war. You may disagree with it, fine. Don’t you dare speak of the people fighing in it, Blackwater or not. You haven’t earned that right.

Don’t like it? Do something. Put down your bong, take a shower, and stop being such a gutless faggot. Banging on your keyboard does absolutely no good.

And to the other guy who is ’in the know’ about Triple Canopy operations in Afghanistan, you’re full of shit and I’m calling you out. You liberals are so rabid with your hatred for anything anti-terrorist that you just pull ’facts’ strait out of your candy asses.

PS

I hope a cop nails your ass with a bean bag from his 12 gauge at your next protest you fucking slimy hippie.

Let me think here, who do I believe? I guess I’ve got a couple choices, don’t I? I can trust the media, who get their reports from:
A-journalists, typing away furiously at their macs from the comfort of the green zone.
B-paid informants, given money from AQI for the information they bring forward to the press. The bloodier, the better.
C-threatened informants, who are under pressure from terrorists to say exactly what the radical islamists want them to, our else a member of their family just may be doused with gasoline and set on fire.
Or, alternatively, do I trust the guys who are over there, boots on the ground, getting SUVs blown out from underneath them and taking small arms, all the while protecting diplomats or other assets. And, on top of that, they’ve got ridiculous rules of engagement they have to follow, and their own helicopters being shot out of the sky.

You make the call. But if you choose the media you’re a fucking dumbass.

What a bunch of privileged limousine liberals and campus commies. Grow up kiddies.

The world as we know it has been continually formed by warfare.
Brave men make a stand and fight.
Pukey little mouthy piles of maggot infested, slime covered shit, like yourself, amount to nothing for you stand for nothing of importance.
Peace at all costs?…….tell that to English men and women that experienced ’The Blitz’.
Tolerant of other religions/races/whatever? Tell that to the Muslim Extremist that is getting ready to torture you, burn you alive or saw your head off in front of a video camera simply because you are an Infidel.
The Men of Blackwater are primarily America trained Operators with Special Forces back grounds, assigned to protect American lives that are trying to stop the wholesale slaughter of Sunni versus Shite(something they have been doing for centuries).
The Men of Blackwater are men that put their ass on the line so mouthy morons like yourself can set back in their air-conditioned comfort and talk about ’real men’ on keyboards over the ethers.
You are not worthy to eat Blackwaters shit!
Zour Daddy should have slapped the living snot out of your disrespectful head long ago, you worthless little fucks.
Jarhead Out!

I can’t believe the ignorance and lack of real information that is being spouted here. Some of you sound as if you have never served your country for one day and have no life experience sans making out with your same sex liberal freshmen composition teacher at the hippy college you attend (spot on). Maybe you should wear out a few more Birkenstocks before you form another idiotic opinion on the warriors of Blackwater.

Of course you can keep spouting off your ill-informed bullshit unchecked because of the men and woman currently on active duty and the ones that came before them.

I doubt many of you hippies could stand to serve one year of military service. If someone tried to blow me up, I’d come out shooting too. Blackwater has a playbook and a set of rules they go by. I have several friends in the organization and they are not knuckle dragging barbarians like you pimply faced teens are making them out to be.

Why don’t you guys go do something FOR your country instead of just utilizing the rights that guys in Blackwater and the rest of the military are helping to keep on the books? Or you can just keep smoking weed and being programmed by the liberal machine that is America’s college education system. I should know as I endured 4 years of it to become a commissioned naval officer so that I could actually SERVE my country. Service…a simple but meaningful word. Your great grandfathers are rolling over in their graves.

Liberals don’t want the US to win. It is bad for their politics, and it makes them feel good about themselves.

I find it completely amazing that these anti US liberals hate their own country so much and won’t admit it. Blackwater killing terrorists, got to stop them. Troop surge working, got to stop that. Because they do not want us to win the war.

Please enlighten us dirty hippies about the following:

1. By what measure do chickenhawks like Dick “other priorities” Cheney, George “AWOL” Bush, Mitt “I’m busy being a missionary in France” Romney, and all the other draft-dodging hypocrites in the G.O.P. embody the blessed, manly virtues of war-mongering you so admire? Is sending other people’s kids into war (regardless of how ill-conceived and unnecessary) enough to prove your mettle as a patriotic alpha male?

2. Why did George W. Bush start the war in Iraq?

heh, i’m glad i came back to this thread. who picked this one up, ace of spades? and you boys are all serving where, exactly? the army’s upped the limits, even you older Hard Core types can still join up.

really, the homoeroticism is just making me laugh and laugh. “the Men of Blackwater?” /giggles/ your manlust is showing there, honey. better go wank off to some rambo movies, k? because your heroes are dying for a bunch of chickenshit closet cases. who laugh at people like you, when they’re spending your taxdollars on hookers and limos.

they’d join the Army, so they could serve their country with honor.

Instead, as mercenaries, they’re just in it for the bucks.

Hence the extreme overcompensation and rage we see in our friend Jarhead.

And I don’t doubt for a minute that Blackwater has a playbook—all major corporations do. The Iraqis don’t seem to think much of the plays, though. And last I checked, they were a putatively sovreign nation.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

1. I admire the virtue of voting for the war, before you vote against it. Hillery along with a lot of Democrats voted for the war. The left wing of this country is responsible for this war too.

2. Saddam started the war. He made the choice to not let the weapon inspectors back in. If he did he would still be in power.

Thank you for responding, plumber. Your comment is very important to us. Please do not hesitate to comment again.

UPDATE However, let me briefly engage. Your first second point can be easily refuted from the historical record; I won’t bother to do that.

There’s substance to your second first point, if you confuse the Beltway Dems with the left (and if you confuse us with the left*). However, the blogosphere, of which I am a part, called Bullshit on the war from the beginning and every step of the way, and the only thing we were wrong about was the depth and perversity of the bullshit. I agree it’s a problem for many Democrats that they bought into Bush’s lies on the war, and buy into the imperial project generally, but that’s not our problem.

NOTE I’m not sure Corrente is “of the left,” partly because I’m not sure the categories have any meaning any more, and partly because this morning we’ve been called out by both a Blackwater mercenary or wannabe, and by a pro-Jena 6 commenter. Guess that puts us in the Moderate middle. Haw.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

1. Saddam did let the weapons inspectors back in.

2. The IAEA said he had no nukes, and no facilities that could even enrich uranium for nukes.

3. Bu$hie Bunnypants told the inspectors (and everyone else) to leave Iraq some days before he got his war on.

You paid trolls should really bother catching up on your facts before you set yourself up for ridicule.

You know, many of us aren’t resting until your Company bosses are in prison for a very long time.

With 75% of the American public now against your profitable dust-up in Iraq and fighting your attempt to expand it into Iran, I’d say it’s possible your days are numbered, soldier of misfortune.

No Hell below us
Above us, only sky

… Plumber’s first point?

Oops.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Please try again.

1. Your comment first dodges my question like a Young Republican squirming out of what Bush calls the “defining conflict of our generation.” But I will indulge your new topic by noting that there was a difference between giving the President the authority to intimidate Saddam Hussein into better compliance with the U.N. resolution, and the decision to begin bombing after that show of strength was plainly successful, and also using falsified evidence to rationalize the war (conflating Iraq with 9/11, Colin Powell’s lie-fest, etc.), and to conduct it in a completely boneheaded way (ignoring detailed State Department analyses, sending too small a force to manage the occupation, turning two blind eyes to war profiteering, etc., etc.). The original question is why you grant that all-important warrior cred to a gaggle of draft-dodging chickenhawks.

2. As Lambert noted, the record is quite clear that this is untrue. UN weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, with unprecedented access, at the time Bush told them to evacuate so he could begin bombing.

I think you meant that Plumber’s second response can easily be refuted, as you said before the edit.

Saddam had the chance. Comply with UN resolution 1441 or face the consequences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Resoluti…

If George Bush tricked the Democrats, the Democrats need to step down from office. Instead they are running for President, saying the village idiot tricked me.

Why is no one protesting against Iran now? Stop the war with Iran before it starts. Iran’s actions are pushing us into another war. Just blame Bush, it is easier.

And your friends NUNYA, JARHEAD and GOTCHA should be bleached off your underwear, before they give you a pustulent infestation.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!— Xan

You and I both know that Bush didn’t attack Iraq because of WMD inspections.

During the run-up to the war, UN inspectors went to the very places Powell cited and there were no weapons there. There are numerous reports from key intelligence figures that the Bush and Blair administrations “sexed up” the evidence, refused to listen to admissions from the CIA that the WMD claims of Curveball, the Niger-yellowcake story, and so on were frauds, etc., etc.

And for the second time, you’ve dodged the first question entirely.

Do you ever stop and wonder why you don’t answer questions directly and honestly? Could it be that the facts don’t match the rhetoric?

I served my time in the Infantry putting my life on the line for this country and was released due to a service connected disability that changed my life and career choices forever.
I am older than the Army’s upped age limit and would not be returned to active due to the disability anyway……
But, since 9-11-01, I left one career to begin contract work in Security do to my part for America. In the last 6 years, I have sweated in intense heat, shivered for hours in intense cold, stayed awake all night, entered Methlabs, been rained on, handcuffed drug-dealers, tagged car thieves and check fraud rings, apprehended a repeat offender Felon on Meth, backed up my local PD, served as a Disaster Operations volunteer, been screamed at, spit on, assaulted(I assault back), hunted badguys and bled. Soon I’ll be watching the Border in the middle of the night, doing my part to ensure safety for this country.
So, what have you done to serve your country, ever??
Blackwater operators have served their country and still continue to do so. The paycheck is better, but the company is run by American’s to serve American interests.
I doubt any of them would ’hire out to the highest bidder’.
Man Lust? You have no clue about the respect and admiration between Brother’s At Arms who have seen and done shit that would give most nightmares. We endure hardships that you cannot even begin to comprehend safe in your little hole of opinion and judgement.
Reason for the War? Perhaps to attempt to stop the rampant rise of fundamental islamic extremist that have no problem killing inocent men, women and children anywhere, anywhen in the world. Maybe it started long ago, when Fundamentalist took over Iran and have since engaged and supported in acts of terror globally. Maybe most Americans have there heads so far up their ass, focused on their little world they have not seen or acknowledged it because they are being forcefed a slanted version of the ’news’ tainted by liberal bullshit that is designed to control you like the herd sheep you are.
Your mental masterbation does not impress me. It is sickening on one hand and yet funny as hell on the other. Enjoy your pathetic circle jerk as you push meaningless hot air through rapidly flapping lips and stroke each others delusions………
The thoughts of mediocre minds with more mouth than balls really does not concern me……..
I got better things to do.
Jarhead returns to hunting.

You’d think a real Marine would know the difference between jerk off techniques and a blowjob. Talk about pathetic overcompensation!

This thread really did bring ’em out of the woodwork, didn’t it? Interesting to see the, er, calibre of supporters that Blackwater has.

NOTE That there’s anything wrong with either, of course.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Your explanation for the war, though common, is ludicrous:

Perhaps to attempt to stop the rampant rise of fundamental islamic extremist that have no problem killing inocent men, women and children anywhere, anywhen in the world.

Iraq was a rare secular country in the Middle East, and its actions were severely curtailed by the post-Desert Storm sanctions.

Thanks to Bush’s invasion, it’s now a hotbed of sectarian terrorism, and it’s inspired a whole new branch of Al-Qaeda.

I guess we dirty hippies are too stupid to see the benefits of that.

You plainly have no problem with the killings of thousands upon thousands of innocent people who have died in Iraq since the invasion. Why do you begrudge others such fulfilling entertainment?

It’s a legitimate question.

North Korea, Syria and Iran are uniting to build nuclear weapons.
Al Qaeda in Iraq is killing anyone who doesn’t do what they say. They are even so evil as kill children of people who work for the Iraqi government.
The Taliban is gaining strength in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They aren’t letting girls go to school or step outside without their burkha. They recruit handicapped teenagers to suicide bomb crowded civilian streets and kidnap Korean volunteers.

You dare say that America and her allies are the one’s who aren’t “restoring hope to the world”? you wouldn’t know the first thing about restoring hope. You’re a stupid cunt who’s too blinded by hatred to take a step back from your computer screen and see the big picture. I’ve seen seen contestants at the special olpympics with more reasoning power.

Ick. Goes to show.

This thread really brought ’em out.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

I too served in my country’s military, did my time and have had a long career as a leo afterward. what have you kids done?
there’s nothing like arguing with delusional, spoiled children.

I thought things were going so well, that we could divert resources from there to start a new war totally unrelated to, what do you call it, reality?

Besides, when you talk down the success of our mission, you’re siding with the terrorists. Isn’t that how it works?

1) We should never have gone into Iraq in the first place. There were and are much more significant places where Al Queda found shelter, and continues to do so.

2) Al Queda was not in Iraq in any significant numbers before the war.

3) BUT, they are NOW. The current war in Iraq has drawn them out of the woodwork. And not just “Al Queda in Iraq”, but also Iranian agents who are known supporters of Hezbolah and responsible for much of the terrorism of the late 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s.

We truly ARE fighting them over there. And we are killing or capturing them on a daily basis. Iraq has become the roach motel of Islamic terrorism.

And the private contractors are working under strict guidelines to help in that effort. They are pulling routine guard duties, riding with supply convoys and guarding diplomatic envoys in order to free up our trained and disciplined military personnel to work on the front lines of this war.

Those “mercenaries” are why there isn’t a draft. They are why you are sitting comfortably on campus spouting hate for our brave men and women instead of burning your draft cards on the campus commons and running to Canada.

Most of those “mercenaries” have been recruited directly from the ranks of our military. They understand the importance of their mission and they follow strict “Rules of Engagement”, R.O.E. They are not heartless killers running around shooting people for fun. The standard ROE in Iraq pretty much reads “Don’t fire unless fired upon.”

Have you sent this comment/question to Dick Cheney or the other aforementioned chickenhawks, who send our troops to kill and die in irrational, ill-planned missions after having skipped out of service themselves (while cheerleading the equally irrational, ill-planned war in Vietnam)?

I too served in my country’s military, did my time and have had a long career as a leo afterward. what have you kids done?
there’s nothing like arguing with delusional, spoiled children.

Of course you have, because to do otherwise would be hypocritical.

I really don’t know why you’re so defensive about it.

Of course, I did pay for your education, but if you want to use my tax money to cash in, then have at it, say I! Conservative values in action!

Assuming you’re really a mercenary, instead of a mercenary wannabe off some gaming forum, or something.

Great argument on the draft, although the real answer is don’t let losers like Bush get involved in stupid wars to begin with, and then you won’t need a draft either. Or trillion dollar roach motels.

Oh, and let’s remember the Conservative definition of hate: Accountability.

“On campus,” WTF? You think this is still the 60s? Gawd. Smarter trolls, please.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Vastleft, to answer your question about proving my “mettle”. I was discharged from the military well before 9/11. Due to regulation changes and after over a year of trying, I was able to get back into the Army Guard.

The WMD’s that were found, can be seen here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/librar…

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemn…

To further answer your question. I don’t think anyone should bestow warrior status on that draft dodging chicken hawk Bill Clinton. No blood for blow jobs.

When you are sitting here, typing up your idealistic anti war babble, form some secure and technologically equipped corner of a home that would be a palace in many of the countries being discussed here, try and remember who’s blood bought you that right.

Liberty has, is, and will always be bought with the sacrifices of noble men.

The little girl that is forced to wear restricting and humiliating clothes, is abused physically, sexually, and morally, and is treated like a 3rd class citizen in all things in the lands of our enemies… She doesn’t get to use the internet.

Just because you don’t see them prowling the streets, and sweeping them free of boogy men late at night. Just because the tower is too far away for you to see the sentinals who watch over you, doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

Your freedom to dissent, and your liberty, are not “bought and paid for”… the price is paid daily, weather you know it or not.

That’s “whether.” Too stupid.

If mercenaries had any honor, they’d stick with the Army and defend little girls that way. Instead, they go for the big bucks, and a bunch of ’em end up defending little girls by shooting civilians. In the back. Just sayin’.

I won’t bother to shoot down the pathetic global security link; 500 obsolete chemical weapons, and for that we spend a trillion dollars and lose thousands of lives? Shit, Rummy should just have written Saddam a check for them when we was over there selling ’em poison gas, and saved us all a lot of trouble.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/w…

We’ve been at war with the extremists for a long time. And every time we’ve turned the other cheek, they’ve only seen it as an invitation to slap the other one.

Personal attacks are often used by those with no other valid arguments regarding the topic at hand.

“Just Sayin’.”

honeyboy, if we have been at war so long with the extremists, which of your vocabulary words means shaking their hands and selling them weapons (and sending them birfday cake) while we’re at war with ’em?

You can do it! Think … starts with T …

their nefarious schemes interrupted, it has been (apparently) police forces which have effected the capture of the miscreants and the aobrtion of the dire plots.
Now it is true that the police of the so-called ’free world’ are and have alarmingly more and more become indistinguishable from ’regular’ military either in their mein toward the citizenry and/or in their garb, equipment, and apparati. But except for that poor bastard brazilian into whose pan the Brits pumped 6 or 7 9mm rounds on the Tube a couple of years ago, the actual civilian casualty list is much smaller than that being extorted in Iraq. And the efforts have been, if the state propagandists are to be believed at all, far more effective.

A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

What does that mean? What sort of analytical category is that? One of the salient features of the Iraq Clusterfuck has been the complete inability to define who the enemy really is—it didn’t always used to be that media creation, “AQI”—which makes it difficult to define what victory means.

Unless, of course, by extremists you mean, well, us.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

(mas o menos): A capitalist will sell you the rope that’ll hang him.

A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

It’s called “politics of convenience” or “enlightened self-interest”.

The US provided arms to Afghanistan in their war with the Soviets. A conflict which helped to bankrupt the Soviet government and bring about the end of the Cold War.

It also brought about the rise of the Taliban, gave credibility to Osama Bin Ladin who was one of the leaders during the war, and much of the original Al Queda were trained by CIA and special forces operatives during the war.

It was only two years later that Iraq invaded Kuwait, and Bin Ladin expected the Saudi government to ask him to deal with it, like he’d dealt with the Soviets. When the Saudis turned to the US and the UN instead, he was insulted.

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Or maybe you mean how we supplied Iraq with weapons in their war against Iran, because Iran was officially an enemy of the US after they stormed our embassy and held our officials hostage. Which is all because the CIA helped overthrow the precious leadership that created the power vacuum that the Shah stepped into.

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Or maybe you want to talk about how Hezbolah made a practice of hijacking aircraft and a cruise ship throughout the late 70’s and 80’s because of our support of the state of Isreal, who we continue to support with billions of dollars worth of aide and weapons.

Yes, I know my history.

Go upthread, bill. The words you want to search on are “You’re a turd in my opinion.” Hint: They didn’t come from a blogger here.

Frankly, I had no idea this thread would generate so much controversy. The notion that heavily armed mercenaries, unrestrained by any form of law or regulation, should probably not be shooting civilians in a war zone—at least if we hope to win the hearts and minds of the people, haw—would seem to me to be fairly unexceptionable. And worse, these Blackwater clowns are shooting them in the back. In front of a police station. Stupid, or what?

But what would I know? I’m “on campus,” instead of being a Cheetohs-stained gamer wannabe mercenary!

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Here is the House Armed services press release to confirm The WMD report.

http://armedservices.house.gov/comdocs/s…

Suppressed by the liberal media. Saddam could have gave up the weapons, and he would have still been in power.

No one answered my question on how the village idiot tricked all the smart people running for President.

While we are at it where is John Kerry’s plan to get us out of Iraq? I remember him saying he had one, a few times.

to give our youth some respect, morals, ethics and the choice to face life or runaway to hide behind lofty words and half-baked opinions in some safe sanctuary to armchair quarterback and insult the people that have chosen to stand up for their beliefs and keep them safe from the harm they are to blind to see(how do you get your head so far up your ass anyway? Some new form of Yoga?).
This war has been going on along time. Iran isloated and secular? Somebody recall the Marine Barracks bombing in 1983 in Beruit?
Iran backed Hezbolla. 24 years ago. Less than four years after the Extemists took power. Hmmmm.
And it will continue for along time, because the Extremists are not just gonna stop their Jihad because they are tired of killing, controlling and dominating people. It is their ’mission from God’.
Obviously, these ’people’ are set on their path……..personally I don’t care. One has that lovely statement at the bottom ’We are all gonna die’. Yes indeed, life is sexually transmitted terminal disease.
Since IF is a given, it is a matter of WHEN, WHERE and HOW.
Fortunately, I will not be counted amongst these whimpering cowards and their empty words.
Paging Dr. Rectalenchephalectomist….you are desperately needed to save this country!
Jarhead

Intellectual dwarves…

To the Battlements, men! Taunt them!
Go and boil your bottoms under a silly person!!!
I fart in your gneral directions…your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries…

oh yeah well you like cock HOHOHOHOHOHOHO EAT THAT SHIT UP

I’m rooting for you to reach the Mendoza line.

Alas, you answered the wrong question again. I’m not asking how you earned your bona fides (but thank you for your service). I’m asking how all those chickenhawk Repubs earned the respect accorded to macho war heroes.

BTW, calculating though it was, Clinton thought that dodging the draft would damage his political prospects, so he gave up his deferment. Unlike Dick “other priorities” Cheney.

Also, you might want to tell G.W. Bush about those WMDs. Here’s what he said in 2006:

Now look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was — the main reason we went into Iraq, at the time, was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.

What part of “a fuckwitted President started a mismanaged war against the wrong country, and it doesn’t honor our troops to pretend it was a good idea” don’t you understand?

Will you look at the page after you press Submit, and if your URL throws off the sidebar and makes the whole blog look stupid, take 10 seconds to fix it?

Here’s the URL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNzn…

Please return to your regularly scheduled troll stomping.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Because with the military constituted as it is, we’re asking for a Praetorian Guard. I don’t take that position, because I wouldn’t be subject to it.

Certainly a draft is preferable to mercenaries. If the state doesn’t have the monopoly of violence, we might as well just privatize everything. The Justice Department — though Bush has gone a long way toward doing that.

Jarhead, one thing you may not realize is that at least among bloggers of my age (not at all “on campus”) one thing that totally pisses us off about Bush and Iraq is that the Clusterfuck he created abuses the military. I’m anti-heroic in my attitudes, but I know history well enough to know that war and the valourous is sometimes needed. You should never waste soldier’s lives (see, Chateaux generals in World War I) but to waste the lives of soldiers who are volunteers is just heinous. Fine, maybe you don’t know the tactics in advance, so the armor controversy started out over-rated. But when soldiers have to buy their own armor, or when a small town raises the money for the armor, and then there’s no recognition of that, let alone reimbursement, that’s shameful. It’s dishonorable. Or subverting the chain of command by using nods and winks to authorize torture at Abu Ghraib and then holding nobody up the chain of command accountable. That’s dishonorable. And on and on and on and on. Leaving the oil aside, the whole Iraqi thing reminds me of nothing so much as Gallipoli (with the exception that Gallipoli was the Brits to lose, which they did, and there was never a prayer of us winning at all, which the entire blogosphere called its shot on, big time.)

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

How did the DeVos connection go unnoticed by me so long!!?!

There’s some fun facts regarding certain Chattavegas sleestaks that happen to be involved in DoD contracting, selling Amway, and happen to run the backbone for the GOP through their server in the basement of the old Pioneer Bank bldg.

If that DeVos connection you our goateed hipster friends you just made is real… Can you give a link?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Commies like you turn my stomach, have you ever had a thought of your own? Or are you too busy listening to marxist propaganda?

Do you realize the people you are so quick to defend won’t recognize your rights as a human being because your a woman? If I told you to go the kitchen and make sammiches you’d cry afoul. But the muslim extremists can cut wimmenz naughty bits off, or make them cover their faces and you think that is alright.

Vastleft, I am glad you liked that turn around, but it’s accurate. I don’t think that anyone has been given “macho war hero” status. The underlying point in my post was that other Presidents have went to war who had little to no military experience and were considered leaders not heroes. Wilson in World War I and Roosevelt in World War II come to mind. Remember that Clinton ran from Somalia, bad war time leader. And we still have troops in Bosnia. Blood for blow jobs is accurate.

Calling this war Bush’s war is a cop out. If he is “fuck-witted” how did he outsmart all the Democrats who started this war? To be true to your convictions, Hillery and John Kerry need to step down now, if they were tricked. Again, where is Kerry’s plan? He is still drawing a pay check is he not?

… can’t have a disagreement with a woman without calling her the c-word and “slut.” At least they’re deeply concerned abut the treatment of women in Afghanistan (but not so concerned that they objected when our resources were redirected to a country that posed no threat and was the least relevant place in the Middle East to attack if you wanted to stamp out religious fundamentalism).

Such things don’t matter when you are a gallant and chivalrous knight!

Well, at least they’re numerate, presumably…

A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

His wife at least sells Amway, if you look up a certain Mr. President’s history, he used to roam the country peddling crap until his background on bankruptcy and software landed him in Chatta town and he emerged as President or CEO after the failed streaming video company when tits up. I doubt there is any stories linking him to Amway, but it comes from his neighbors. (Yes Mr. Sleestak we’ve been asking around the neighborhood about you). Oh, and in case anyone is confused, this isn’t the guy who has visited your site, but the other guy that runs the servers and domainnames.
— “I can tell immediately how it was received — whether it was opened, forwarded, or discarded. We have code in the e-mail that shows me.”

chickenhawks:
I am a veteran of the USAF, 4 years, Sept 21, 1964-Aug 31, 1968. I won as much rank I could in the time I was in: e-4. If I’da re-upped, they’da given me e-5 the day I signed the papers. I have an honorable discharge and earned the marksman’s medal, the good conduct medal, the vietnam service medal, and a presidential unit citation. I got shot at and missed, shit at and hit.
Immediately upon separation, I entered university, and joined the VietNam Veterans Against the War. I saw more action there.
Yup, I’m a dope-smokin’ old hippie; but one who can shoot the eye out of a mouse at 100 yards with a rusty, old armory .30 cal. carbine.
So, if you haven’t served your country in any capacity, and you want to abuse me for critical of the clusterfuck and the clusterfuckers when I have done so, with honor, permit me to invite you to suck my runny shit through a flavo-straw.
That is all.
A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

chickenhawks:
I am a veteran of the USAF, 4 years, Sept 21, 1964-Aug 31, 1968. I won as much rank I could in the time I was in: e-4. If I’da re-upped, they’da given me e-5 the day I signed the papers. I have an honorable discharge and earned the marksman’s medal, the good conduct medal, the vietnam service medal, and a presidential unit citation. I got shot at and missed, shit at and hit.
Immediately upon separation, I entered university, and joined the VietNam Veterans Against the War. I saw more action there.
Yup, I’m a dope-smokin’ old hippie; but one who can shoot the eye out of a mouse at 100 yards with a rusty, old armory .30 cal. carbine.
So, if you haven’t served your country in any capacity, and you want to abuse me for critical of the clusterfuck and the clusterfuckers when I have done so, with honor, permit me to invite you to suck my runny shit through a flavo-straw.
That is all.
A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

plumber:

1. If the wingers on talk radio hadn’t been calling us traitors and cowards for thirty years, and if the Republicans hadn’t taken down Max Cleland by painting him as an AQ sympathizer, I might have some sympathy for some sort of return to civility on military service by elected officials. But Bush himself claimed “macho war hero” status with his codpiece-enabled strut under the Mission Accomplished banner, about which the SCLM proceeded to have a massive mancrush. Bush then went ahead and funded smears against an actual veteran—even granting every Swiftboat charge against Kerry, at least he served—while strenuously obfuscating his own record. FDR, at least, used no such tactics. So if the chickenhawks in the Bush administration are having a cup of poisonous discourse forced down their throats, I, for one, couldn’t be happier. They mixed it themselves.

2. Personally, I don’t think Bush is fuckwitted at all. I think he’s a very smart man, though not at all intellectual, who has managed to achieve big goals he has set for himself: Destroying the Constitution and replacing it with authoritarian rule, looting billions from the public purse for his buddies, polluting the Justice Department and the Supreme Court with party operatives, leaving his successors with disasters on every side to cope with, and then getting away clean. It’s worked out well for him.

3. The war surely is Bush’s war. He had it in mind from September 12 on, and did whatever was needed to bring it about.

4. I agree 100% that Hillary Clinton and great parts of the Democratic Party are part of the problem, if that is your point mentioning Kerry and Clinton. It’s not my job to elect more Democrats. Go over to Kos for that.

5. Finally, what is the point of your “blood for blow jobs” slogan? Shit, if somebody gave Bush a blow job, he’d be a happier man, and we could impeach him. I’d call that a win-win situation.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Woody, thank you for your service. To bad you did not make a point. Good luck with your drug problem.

Wasn’t using Blackwater part of Kerry’s plan?

Lambert doesn’t give a flying fuck about John Kerry.

(See point #4, supra. (You didn’t need to repeat this part.))

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Come on, you really think surrounded by Rove, Gannon, and the young guy from Texas (what’s his name) Bush hasn’t gotten any blowjobs.

Slow your roll. WTF?!

That’s the young guy from Texas, intranets?

Intranets, you’re assuming Bush is a top, right? Why?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

apparently. I think it must be the exposture to all that lead. Dulls the wits, the doctors tell us.

A Quick Study, But A Slow Learner

Rumsfeld says its harmless, as do all your Dear Leaders, and the kids who actually have to serve in Iraq breathe its dust every day, and sleep next to the rounds containing it every night…

No Hell below us
Above us, only sky

Lambert:

1. Political dissent built this country. Being able to freely debate politics is what makes this country great. I don’t think any one is a Traitor unless they plan on attacking our country. If more political dissent was directed towards Iran, the next war might not start.

Both sides used dirty politics, Dan Rather (have a job) comes to mind.

2. Bush inherited the Al-Qaeda problem.

3. Calling it Bush’s war is a cop out. The corrupt UN made billions off the oil for food program and run up to war. Our elected representatives voted for war and then changed their minds after the troops were on the ground. If anything it is their war.

I like that come back (pun?) on the blood for blow jobs.

Woody, thanks for your service, next time can I have a reacharound?;-) If the politicians didn’t try and run the war, and the corporate monkeys weren’t trying to milk it for all it is worth, and the average citizen would be more worried about protecting our country than Osama’s feelings this would have been over along time ago.

Armys were made for blowing shit up and killing people, not nation building. As far as Sarah goes, I hope she cries her eyes out. I hope it makes you stronger, next time at least rethink your position before claiming to be an expert before you learn all the facts.

Xenophon, English not your first language? I have no clue as to which droids you speak of bruder.

Hugs and kisses,
The Hermannator

Anytime you want a reach around, stop on by. Tell ’em the guy under the stairs sent you.

Calling ’em as you see ’em isn’t enough. We can do the personal abuse thing, if that’s the game you want to play, but if you don’t want to play that game, you need to support your position with evidence and reasoning.

Je repete: We on what you guys are pleased to call the left called our shot on Iraq when nobody else did: We knew “the politicians” (Bush et al) would fuck it up, though we didn’t know how badly, and we knew right away that what followed would be a total Clusterfuck as well, when the only building Bush had guarded was the oil ministry. It’s not just that armies aren’t made for nation building, it’s that Bush threw away all the other plans for nation building in favor of whatever ideology the twenty-somethings brought over in their knapsacks from the Heritage Foundation, on their way to “losing” $8.6 billion dollars, abolishing the rule of law, destroying the infrastructure, and turning the country into a free market, uh, free fire zone for mercenaries and feuding sects of religious fanatics.

As for the corporate monkeys, the biggest one, I imagine, is Halliburton, and another one would be Republican contributor and Christianist Blackwater, last seen shooting civilians in the back in front of a police station. Is that stupid, or what?

Seems to me like we’re more in agreement than not. How do you feel about Bush abolishing Constitutional government, anyhow? Or are you in favor of authoritarian regimes?

Back to the personal abuse, ’cause you know you want it:

“As far as Sarah goes,” she doesn’t have time to mash your shriveled little testes to jelly right now — before you ask, she has served in the military too — but maybe later. Something for you to look forward to, n’est c’est pas? Check back soon.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Not McClellan, I almost included him in the list. Hernandez or Martinez, I think his ’nickname’ is Izzy or something.

I never did get straight answers to my questions. As we say in gay-commie-terrorist-lovin’-America-hatin’ Paree, quelle surprise!

2. Bush inherited the Al-Qaeda problem.
No, Bush was supported by, slave to, and partner of the Saudi influence and his Daddy’s rich friends. When your Saudi buddies bail you out of every single incompetent blunder, you start losing the ability to view them impartially. Things like allowing the whole bin Laden family leave the country, and listening to Bandar Bush sweet whispers in your ears, and doing Saudi bidding in spite of the risk to American lives and prosperity (like invading Iraq).

3. Calling it Bush’s war is a cop out.
Who’s war is it? Who cherry picked the intel they wanted to paint a false picture? Who put his lying face in front of the cameras over and over and over and over again and kept repeating nuclear mass destruction weapons of nucluler WMD 9/11 nuculer bioweapons all gonna die mushroom clouds.

Yes, it’s time to wheel out the big guns! Or whatever….

2. Bush inherited the Al-Qaeda problem.

My, how soon we forget…. Remember when Clinton targeted an AQ pharmaceutical factory and all the Republicans started screaming “Wag the Dog”? Remember when Clinton’s terror advisor, Richard Clarke, with his “hair on fire” about AQ, tried to get a meeting with Condi for months, and they blew him off? Try again, plumber. That dog won’t hunt.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

All your bases are belong to us, lambert. Cry to your mommy, don’t tell her you call people names on the tubes of the interweb. You talk a big game, but remember son, your the one getting all bent out of shape. I wish I could make up facts too, but around here we call that fiction.

As far as Sarah goes, she’s a big girl and can take care of herself. Now go hide behind her skirt. You can’t be objective when your mind is clouded by fear and anger.

Always,
The Hermannator

P.S. Wash the sand out of your mangina, it’ll make you feel better.

Herr Goering:

I gave you the chance to engage on the plane of evidence and reasoning, but you didn’t choose to take advantage. Too bad. Shows your colors. And I had such hopes for you. Typical pale gamer merc wannabe. Sleep tight.

That’s “you’re” not “your.” You’ll find that using both hands to type is more accurate…

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

So we forget all the terrorist attacks that happened around the world against us during the Clinton years? That dog wont hunt.

We forget that Clinton and Gore could have stopped 9/11. If he followed their own report.

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/212fin~1.h…

The Democrat party cheerleaded us into the Iraq war. The Democrat party misled this country. The Democrat leadership needs to be impeached for starting this war. Why did they vote for this war?
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/useofforce…

To take your second point first, the Democrats, with some honorable individual exceptions, as a party were at best ineffectual and at worst actively complicit in starting the war. And the same at ending it. That’s why I’m incandescent. I don’t think it makes sense to say they’re the same, but we’re looking at different components of the same system. (As I keep saying, I’d vote for Hillary over any Republican, because I prefer a sane Caesar to an insane Caligula, but I really don’t want an emperor at all.)

However, if you want to impeach the Democrats, I assume, if there’s logic to your position, that you want to impeach Bush as well?

To your first point, you need more evidence than a link to a 1997 report entitled “White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security.” What do I have to do, read the whole thing? Let’s have a quote or a link or something.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

If you knew then why did you let it happen? It is easy for you or anyone else to scream at the top of your lungs, “I told you so!” What does it prove? Nothing. Why is it that commies always got to resort to name calling when they feel cornered or run out of “facts” to quote?

Also why do you have to equate Hermann the Cherusican to Goering? Or is that just because you’re a half-wit? What are you lambert, a smelly cheese eating surrender monkey frog? It is impossible to reason with irrational people, which is the reason we are in the situation we are in. Blame someone else, why take responsibility for your own actions?

Your Overlord,
The Hermannator

Lambert:

Sorry, look at recommendation 1.11 and Chapter three. Chapter three laid out how to prevent the 9/11 attacks in 1997. Never implemented and never a campaign issue. That report was a sad day for America. At least Bill got taken care of.

Hillary got tricked into the last war. What makes you think that she would do any better as President? She might get tricked into bombing Iran. At least she could still blame Bill.

Hermann:

And the press abdicated its responsibilities?

We have a very little political power now. We might be able to stop or at least slow the next Clusterfuck