
One difference, of course, is that GD I (the one that started in 1929) was more or less an accident. GD II was created, deliberately, by our ruling elites, first through the fraud and looting that brought down the financial system, and then through the "austerity" -- but not for the elite! -- that followed.
A second difference is that in GD I we had FDR. The lesson that the ruling elites seem to have taken from FDR is "never again." In GD II, they have Barack Obama, who has learned that lesson well.
Never again will the "small people" be permitted to do anything other than suffer and die and Obama, cheerfully enabled by both career "progressive" and Blue Dog factions of his party, is more than happy to let them do so. Yay!
NOTE Commenting on The Lightbringer's inaugural speech, CD got things exactly right. 01/20/2009 :
How dare Obama speak of "sacrifice," four times in under 5 minutes, at one point by my count, after directing Dems to hand over $350B in the initial TARP, no strings attached, and rushing to get the next round, and more, all while holding not a single Wall St. executive or Bush era regulatory agency actually responsible? It sickens me, because I understand, even if many don't, what it is that Obama means when he speaks of "sacrifice." He means for me and you, our SS dependent grandmothers and neighbors who rely on Medicaid and Medicare, veterans and the unemployed and students and the poor, to make his noble "sacrifice."
Of course, Obama wasn't speaking to the voters at all, but to his rentier owners. They weren't sickened at all.
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Instead of reading the ineffectual Krugman,
we should be paying attention to Michael Hudson.
In short: we must pay to bail out the banks. Good-bye, three centuries of the Enlightenment.
It's wonderful how clearly you can write when you don't have an invisible electric fence to keep you "respectable."
Yeah, CD was paying attention. Why, on this joyous occasion, were we repeatedly threatened with "sacrifice"?
According to Krugman we're in our Third Depression:
Wikipedia says:
For those of you who are willing to watch a total 12 minutes and 56 seconds worth of YouTube video, I recommend two segments of Alistair Cooke's discussion of the late nineteenth century United States farm industry and the Long Depression.
The script which leads into this first segment reads:
Watch the part here from 0:00 to 4:56. At that point in the video, Cooke starts talking about Thomas Alva Edison, a discussion that carries over into a separate YouTube clip so you might not want to keep watching at that point.
But do watch the video here, which begins with anecdotes about the wealthy in serving as a backdrop for the subsequent discussion, to the 8:00 minute mark where the music comes in and the credits appear -- no need to watch the show's credits scroll on the screen.
There's a lot going on here: mythos, populism, technological revolution, political corruption, the crusade against the gold-backed strong dollar and for the free coinage of silver (i.e. the right to take silver ore to a U.S. mint and get the mint to stamp out silver coins of equal weight "good for all debts public and private." This would allow mortgages and other loans owed in gold backed dollars to be paid off in silver backed dollars at a specific gold/silver weight ratio and support the price of agricultural other commodities.)
[For anyone who is interested, here on autoplay are all five YouTube parts of "Money on the Land" chapter from Alistair Cooke's America series. He makes some interesting comments about the "Robber Barons."]
The thing about the Great Depression was that a financial collapse interrupted an industrial expansion that just needed to get put back on the tracks with some new rules in place to guarantee there would be broad based demand in the economy from workers and that those involved in productive industries and providing useful services would be reap the benefits of economic growth not those in the financial sector.
There were more fundamental problems underlying the Long Depression. Where the American economy was heading was not entirely clear back then. That's more like the situation we face today I think. And we should take note that the Progressives, with their 18th century European class roots, and the post- American Civil War populists who arose from several groups who were independent of one another (factory labor, miners, southern farmers, mid-western farmers) failed to find a way to join together in a single movement.
There are "three" ...
... only if you experienced a "recovery" after the crash of 2008. For those who did not experience a recovery, which includes most of us, including and especially the long term unemployed, there are two. Hence, GD II.
Interesting history on progressives vs. populists. Did the progressives of the 19th Century throw the populists under the bus, too? I'm guessing yes.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Progressives,
whether the affluent do-gooder elite or the educated but not affluent do-gooder elite, were largely aligned with the Republican Party throughout the period --at least, until the TR/Taft split (e.g. Jane Addams and Harold Ickes). They concerned themselves with the plight of immigrant factory laborers but did not align themselves with the radical labor movement. Immigrant and factory labor workers in the industrial north-east and upper mid-west, groups with large Catholic constituencies, were repulsed by the nativism and the thundering Protestantism of the farm populists and worried by their anti-tariff positions.
Eventually, all those movements were to come together in the New Deal coalition. But...here's what Richard Grossman, a bona fide anti-corporatist, has to say about that:
[This is a poorly delivered 58 minute speech by Grossman but some may find it worth listening to beginning at the 20 minute mark.]