If this turns out to be true, than this is where I totally split paths with her. I'll wish her luck, but that'll be it. I've got my own interests to look out for, and they don't include her inside of anyone's administration. If she wishes to follow someone else's policy more than she wishes to make her own on our behalf, so be it. I'm done.

Apart from that, please do remember that the OFB gets the last laugh when their leader is the president and has the Democratic Party by the balls. As long as this is the case they will always have the last laugh. Always. I will gain no pleasure out of seeing a very temporary OFB freak-out, because all that matters is that Obama has neutralized here. She is his, now, for the rest of her political life.

It's a cage no matter how beautiful and gilded it may be...

Who would be my Senator now? Rumour has it, Nydia Velázquez , who has been much better than one could have expected, but... still...

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And I say that as someone who is only marginally a member of the Obama fanclub. She's weak on foreign affairs, and even if she knew the subject backwards and forwards, she still would do ten times more good staying in the Senate. I do sorta like the idea of putting her on the Supreme Court, if only because it would mean the wingnuts would be frothing impotently for the next twenty-odd years.

Barry O, the Clintonista, and the DINOcrats think they own the Power now; in reality, it owns them.

And it will discard them too once it finds a better host.

No Hell below us
Above us, only sky

Speaking on behalf of jawbone, whose subject line was throwing off the sidebar it was so long.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

glad to be back on cable ragging on the Clintons.

He was on Tweety's show tonight--I didn't hang around. Too disgusting.

.. in the Senate!

[Poor NYS constituent begs.]

Think about it, HRC. And I bet you will. I want you in the Senate. But, WEV.

Wev. I support you. For good and for always.
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of my heart grow warm, then warmer, cockles that I never even knew I had.

I am become quite OK with thought of HRC as SOS.

I think she'll be great, notwithstanding her endorsement by Kyl and war criminal Kissinger.

I was wondering why she and Bill were campaigning so hard for Obama.

I'd say them polly-tishuns struck some kinda deal way back when.

Might really be a much more powerful position for her than VP. Just sayin'.

as Colin Powell and Condi Rice are to George W. Bush.

If that doesn't bring a tear to your eye, there's absolutely something wrong with you.

Much has been written revealing how Powell barely even ever had the President's ear, and he bit his tongue so hard during the run up to the war that cunnilingus became anatomically impossible. His con job at the UN, for which he was totally set up, showed exactly how little respect they had for him in that administration and precisely how they intended for him to function all along. Rice played the fool as the NSA and then worked for a by-then world acknowledged miscreant and fool as the SOS. The only time the red carpet was rolled out for her was when she was leaving. And she once publicly even referred to him as her husband. What a sad joke.

On a level playing field, Clinton defeated Obama. Yet she came out and campaigned and fundraised for him more than any other person. The only same and intelligent response that Obama could have would have to be both respect and appreciation. She would be someone he could trust, both to get the job done and to be on her team. Unlike both Powell and Rice, she's her boss's peer; and contrary to Obama's specious claims during the primary, she knows a hell of lot more than he does about world affairs. Her advice and counsel would be closely attended. And unlike Powell and Rice, she will be effective and profoundly respected wherever in the world she goes as his representative.

And to those who bemoan her leaving the Senate, reading Anglechel's illuminating post clearly explaining how Clinton's lack of seniority would limit her influence for at least a decade. As SOS, she can be of far greater service to this country in these extraordinarily perilous times than as a junior Senator combating scores of egos that would seek to limit her recognition and achievements.

And finally, it would do my heart good to see both Kerry's and Richardson's pompous balls ground to dust after they each thought they were getting the SOS job in return for their endorsements. Them's politics, ya know?

Anglachel's post on this the other day, which supported Hillary taking the position. Today she writes this:

Ignoring the specious scandal-mongering of the last part of the article, what the report says is that the decision of acceptance is based on conditions being met. That's serious and negotiations can fall apart for politically legitimate reasons. HRC will request a significant degree of power and autonomy to accept the obligations and burdens of the office because that is how she does things. You can approve of this or not, but that is part of her character. Is what she requests reasonable? Whether reasonable or not, will it be acceptable? There are balance of power issues that are not just personality conflicts (the tedious crap The Village and Blogger Boyz roll in like dogs with a rotting carcass) but involve questions of authority and state interests that matter when dealing with other sovereign states.

She's not a military guy - she's no Colin Powell who obeys orders despite his disagreement with them. She's her own person. I hope the same will be said of all of Obama's appointments.

It's got to be about excellence. He's got to put the very best people in these positions and let them do their jobs. I guess that means republicans, too. We're not going to get there by risk avoidance.

Well, as I've said all along, this is going to be interesting.

I'd be a lot happier if we'd see some accountability for the last eight years. Huge mistake to let it go.

On the one hand, I’m not a huge fan of her foreign policy. I supported her primarily because of her domestic policy and that she at least had more experience than Obama. She’s not worse than the Village, but she mirrors the Village on most issues (so does Obama). And what I think we need is someone who doesn’t do that. However, I recognize that such person is never going to be considered for President or SOS. At least with Clinton, we’ll get a focus on women’s rights so that’s an improvement over some.

And that brings me to the other hand….

Suck it, Zbignew

all the Obama people are pushing the "Bill/Foundation foreign money stuff" very very hard, and the Guardian story is still the only one that says it's hers for sure.

All this just distracts the media from all the other transition, appointments, and vetting (or not) going on. They fed the "we're vetting her" stuff out on purpose, knowing that it'd be all they talked about for a week or more.

she's got one SoS as her wingman, and that is Madame Secretary Madeline Albright, who was at her side during this campaign and who never wavered in her support for her.

For good or for ill, A Clinton State Department will most likely be an Albright-like State -- and considering how State's hemorraging during this Administration, that might be a good thing.