So maybe I am just too priveleged to see it, but IMO, it is no worse than Digby’s use of the word kabuki, ie Hissy Kabuki, the term she uses when Republicans take to the media to protest whatever idea the Dems are coalescing around.

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How about “peruperu”? It is the war-dance form of haka. From wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haka

“The various types of haka include whakatu waewae, tutu ngarahu and peruperu. The peruperu is characterised by leaps during which the legs are pressed under the body. In former times, the peruperu was performed before a battle in order to invoke the god of war and to discourage and frighten the enemy. It involved fierce facial expressions and grimaces, poking out of the tongue, eye bulging, grunts and cries, and the waving of weapons. If the haka was not performed in total unison, this was regarded as a bad omen for the battle. Often, warriors went naked into battle, apart from a plaited flax belt around the waist. The aim of the warriors was to kill all the members of the enemy war party, so that no survivors would remain to undertake revenge.”

Since it is a specific and apt metaphor, it avoids ridiculing ALL of the ceremonial dances of the Maori, some of which even allow women to participate! usually as background singers though.

Can’t see why it would be offensive for lefty peace-loving DFH’s to ridicule god-invoking war dances that are performed to help warriors “kill all the members of the enemy war party, so that no survivors would remain to undertake revenge.”

no women allowed, kill all opposition… very apt indeed —

I esp. love this description of peruperu, for obvious reasons:

“fierce facial expressions and grimaces, poking out of the tongue, eye bulging, grunts and cries, and the waving of weapons.”

LOL

The OFB definitely remind me of the NZ rugby team when they do their little intimidation dance, but clearly the offense is because of the Maori tie. And I can’t blame them, I wouldn’t want my culture tied to these assholes either. Although they are a part of my culture.

Yippee!

Hmmmm, will think, will think…..

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or is that ageist?

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From some “person” in the Shakesville comment thread:

“Basically its an attempt to paint Obama supporters as scary dark people, what a suprise coming form hte “enlightened” types at Corrente wire.”

I still don’t know the sound of one hand clapping.

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that comparing them to the Maori confers upon them a sense of culture and international awareness that probably isn’t worthy.

so how about…JAMIGTD

Just Another Misogynistic Inspired Group Think Demonstration

I liken it to the “dance” Mel Gibson did in Braveheart except more dainty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_danc…

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I’m trying to think of a comparable practice in American history, but the only thing I can come up with is the Rebel yell, but that seems to dignify the OFB too much.

Speaking for myself only, circle jerk is icky. (Kind of like the use of the word “seminal,” which is still used in academic discourse—why don’t people see the ick?)

One finds the Molly Dance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_dance

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Interesting, herb:

The ploughboys would tour around the village landowners, offering to dance for money.

We may have a winner…

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Contextually correct

along with UofH and two high school teams:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haka_perfor…

Those were actual hakas, we were using the term metaphorically.

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“Those who refused would be penalised in various ways (see Trick or treat) including having a furrow ploughed across the offender’s lawn.”

I do like this picture though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Stomp…

It really gives you that feeling of “being one” with the Kos….

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Whale Rider

If it were so spiritual and holy, you’d have to wonder how it is that the AllBlacks Rugby team doesn’t get nailed as BLASPHEMERS!
BTW, when I first used that term, I had a comment from a native New Zealnder who thought it was amusing that I even knew what a haka was. But I lived in Hawaii as a kid and knew about most forms of polynesian dance. You should see what tourism has done to the holy hula. Haka is perfectly appropriate. It’s a metaphor and since we are engaging in a counter haka, there’s nothing at all wrong with it.
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As long as you’re happy, I’m happy. We need a more or less uniform lexicon. Although you have to admit that “Molly Dance” did have a certain ring to it.

I do note, however, that the OFB aren’t really strong on things like metaphor and irony….

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Why not use them interchangeably with haka? Of course, *we* don’t do Molly Dances.
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That’s going to be taken as homophobic.

I thought the whole point, honestly, was that the haka as used by All-Blacks rugby was an inauthentic, appropriating kind of performance. It’s not to say that Obama people are doing Maori things, it’s that they are doing _pseudo_-Maori things, for show.

It is epic, but not sacred, it is not part of any religious tradition.

What’s inappropriate or family-inappropriate about circle-jerk?

The only part of this that troubles me is that you are using the Maori term, and the ritual to which it refers in a highly pejorative context. The fact that it is a war dance means something entirely different than the kind of war ops some of us might be against. There is no doubt that there are fierce aspects of the Maori culture, but in some ways it strikes me as entirely too positive a term to use on the boiz on the blogs. The ritual looks funny to us, or sounds funny in a written description.

I happened to see a Maori dance company in New York, and believe me, they didn’t have that impact in person. It’s a ritual that is meant to summon war Gods, and as a way to unleash the warrior within, and as a form of intimidation too, and believe me, I had no doubt that this dance, complete with calls and extraordinary sounds could definitely get the job done.

Once again, I’m in the minority here, but I am reminded of the despair Native Americans often feel about the total incomprehension so many privileged college alums display when questions are raised about the use of Indian icons or images as mascots.

That comment about Correntewire pushing the meme of scarey dark men really makeshis old “white” lady angry.

I’m working on a post about the whole Wright matter and I have some criticisms of some of the responses here, but let’s be clear - it was the SCLM and in particular many of the black middle class pro-Obama pundits who were clutching their pearls about the Clinton use of the race card, who didn’t hesitate a moment to decide that Jeremiah Wright was such a scary black man, too unacceptably angry and extreme and radical, that it was perfectly okay to dismiss him as a deranged narcissist who had deliberately chosen to injure Obama’s electoral chances, out of personal jealousy yet, and Wright’s forty year history as a pastor could simply be dismissed, and it was Obama who accepted that view of Wright, and acted on it.

I’m not sure he had much choice, but not because of anything that has been said or done at Corrente.

Molly Dance is homophobic?

Someone’s PC meter is set to full-on-rage ELEVEN.

I’m doing a haka for the molly dance right now!

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How about whale riding, a fine and noble act of courage??

After all, the theme of the movie of the same name was about a girl whose grandfather couldn’t accept her boldness because she wasn’t a male child. Here’s the IMDB description…

Whale Rider:

Pai, an 11-year-old girl in a patriarchal New Zealand tribe, believes she is destined to be the new chief. But her grandfather Koro is bound by tradition to pick a male leader.

Sound familiar?

Of “saber-rattling.”

Post, I’ve changed my mind(we’ll be in the minority together!). We need to change it. And I don’t like Molly Dancing, it carries to much baggage. Sabre-rattling is cool, but we need something hipper and cooler(now kewler).

How about lekking, which is where the male deers gather to fight for approval and mating status. Sounds appropriate to me.

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I misunderstood the drift of the entire thread — I thought….nevermind.

Sorry.

I’ll save whale riding for Hillary and supporters, s’all.

Let me try this: how about

The Boiz on the Blogs are cock-a-doodle-doodling? Unless that offends roosters.

How about the Hamster?

Caution: the following link may cause temporary loss of sanity. Much like visiting Kos on any day.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=…

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How about a throwback to the Little Rascals:
He Man Woman Haters
That’s more of a substitute for “boiz on the blogs.”

Maybe good old “circle jerk” for haka.

Well, not to overkill this thing, and we’ve already moved on, but “molly” really is a loaded word, or at least it used to be. From the Oxford English Dictionary…

1. A girl, a woman, esp. a lower-class one; (occas.) a prostitute. Cf. MOLL n.2 Now chiefly Irish English.

2. slang. An effeminate man or boy; a male homosexual. Also: a man who performs work typically associated with women, or who concerns himself with women’s affairs. Cf. MISS MOLLY n., MOLLYCOT n.

[Examples]
1708 E. WARD London Terræfilius V. 10 He behaves himself more like a Catamite, an Eunuch, or one of those Ridiculous Imitators of the Female Sex, call’d Mollies, than like a Son of Adam.
[…]
1728 J. DALTON Narr. Street Robberies 32 A Man who was what they call a Bug to the Mollies,..picking ’em up, as if to commit that damnable Crime of Sodomy.
1785 F. GROSE Classical Dict. Vulgar Tongue, Molly, a miss Molly, an effeminate fellow, a sodomite.

No, it’s good you posted this, Flip, since some people are already saying this might be our new word.

“Molly Dancing” is bad!!! Bad in so many ways I can’t even begin to name them. It plays into bad gender sterrotypes, femininity, just ugh(shudder).

Like I said, Lekking. It’s where the male deer go and indulge in testosterone fueled attacks(what we’ve seen from the Boiz) in an attempt to earn the approval of mating partners(in this case the media).

Lekking. Lekking. Lekking…..

I’m gonna keep sayin it till someone agrees with me, dammit!

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I like something along the lines of alpha male scent marking but that is too long.

I have a preening cat that is very territorial and thinks he’s special—reminds me of the OFB since they seem to believe they own all things political.

I represent that remark.

Can’t we all just stick to hamsters?

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Kekking is pretty good. What’s the noun form?

Because the great thing about haka is the sound of it. Easy to write with.

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I don’t think you can improve on the Haka.

It is so ’beating the chest’ funny.

I certainly didn’t mean offense on this Molly Dance thing, but can certainly see there were connotations I didn’t know about or hadn’t taken into account.

Now corrected and chastened. But….

I don’t like any more (and for the same reasons) male-bashing terms either. It is the flip side of the same coin.

I thought this would be a fun exercise but, apparently and for a host of reasons, it isn’t and/or can’t be.

The whole point is these people (of every different race and gender) who get all up with the manufactured outrage need to have a mocking term to describe their uh, uh, uh, HAMSTER DANCE!!!

It has nothing to do with their (mostly) maleness or any other identity they may possess except for childishness (which is not to insult children!), and shouldn’t reference gender or ethnic background at all.

Because we are just sooooo above all that. At least usually I am….

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lek n.1, a patch of ground used by groups of birds of certain species, esp. blackcock, during the breeding season, as a setting for the males’ display and their meeting with the females; the display itself or the season during which it takes place.

1871 DARWIN Desc. Man xiv. (1883) 405 As many as forty or fifty, or even more birds congregate at the leks. The lek of the capercailzie lasts from the end of March to the..end of May.
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1964 A. L. THOMSON New Dict. Birds 432/1 The lek is usually maintained at the arena for considerable periods of time and many species revive the performance at the same display-ground year after year. Ibid. 432/2 During lek displays the birds tend to stimulate one another.

Ain’t that the truth.

I just wish the bird cited in the definition had a different name…

Deer, so I guess it’s inter-species.

To me, herb, it’s not so much male bashing, as bashing that whole insane desire to impress, which women are just as capable of, don’t get me wrong. And in this case the Boiz are trying to impress the Village, so I don’t think this has many negative gender connotations.

And lambert, it’s Lekking. I guess the noun form would be lek. But since it is action that we accuse the Boiz of performing, I think Lekking suits. You’d have to add a glossary term for though, IMO.

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a Splutterfest, or a Frothmop?

in olden days… — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_house

It’s a 1700s-1800s slur, and not unknown at all.

And that dance is probably explicitly named Molly because of the cross-dressing aspect.

Cause all this was unknown to me.

Where does molly-coddled fit into this?

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Herb you might not have made top 100 pundits but maybe you should have at least made top 100 verbists.

link to pundits
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopi…

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton

Who would want to be part of a club that has her as a member (#30)?

Actually, have you ever seen a more motley crowd of bores? That must be one of those Chinese hells: The Hell of One Hundred Top Pundits.

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Where does molly-coddled fit into this?

Actually, I don’t think that’s homophobic — I think it means you’re being “coddled” by a “molly,” sense 1. So when you behave as though you’re still being cared for by an overprotective nanny, you’re “mollycoddled.”

Please. I objected to it when it first came up here and got steamrollered - actually more flicked aside, “Baraked” if you will - and just let it drop, expecting that sooner or later there would be someone from Maori culture speaking up against it. Now they have, and that should be an end to it.

Using “haka” the way its being used here is offensive. It is exactly the kind of ignorance-based cultural elitism and denigrative behavior that enlightened people should try to avoid. Read more about the use of the haka and the All-Blacks here.

The New Zealand All-Blacks use the haka as metaphor in a culturally acceptable way. Rugby is a ritualized substitute for war; if you don’t understand that, you know nothing of rugby. It isn’t football or baseball or pingpong; the players bash into one another without protection, and feet, elbows, fists and heads are used as weapons. Blood is spilled, bones are broken, and nothing less is expected or acceptable. Performing the haka as an exercise in solidarity, an invoking of the war gods and an announcement of no-holds-barred intent to conquor, is perfectly appropriate in that setting.

The Maori people of New Zealand take great pride in their national rugby team, named All-Blacks originaly from their uniforms but now taken as a defiant claiming of the perjorative “blackfellah”, a signifier of national unity the same as the phrase “we’re all niggers now” is being used here at Corrente. Incorporating Maori culture into a symbol of national pride is a way for the indigenous people of New Zealand to reclaim their stolen status, to reintigrate themselves as co-equals to the white invaders; they are rightly proud of what the team and its performance of the haka symbolizes.

Using “haka” to describe the ravening, mindless attacks of the OFB is an insult to Maori culture. Apologize, and stop doing it - please.

From Wiki:

Berserkers (or Berserks) were Norse warriors who wore coats of wolf or bear skin and who were commonly understood to have fought in an uncontrollable rage or trance of fury; the berserkergang.

Scary non-gay white men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker

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was popular or came into wide usage, etc, at the same time molly was widely known to mean gay.

It’s very like how some female names mean more than just a name nowadays too—when i call a friend Mary, or Australian (?) use of Sheila, or whatever…

it should be some tantrum/futile and more powerless and frustrated thing.

the rightwingers who went crazy over the CBS Bush national guard stuff, and all the stuff they’ve freaked over?

SASQ

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what’s it stand for?

they always do the jimmy olsen cub reporter/pitchfork and torches lynch mob thing as if they’re uncovering truly dastardly and important things.

1. Psykosis

2. Going kostal

3. Talking points mania

4. Clenis envy

5. Cheeto rush

6. Chihuahua fury

7. Neidermeyering

8. Sausage festing (or fisting)

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they always do the jimmy olsen cub reporter/pitchfork and torches lynch mob thing as if they’re uncovering truly dastardly and important things.

But the _kerning_, amberglow, the KERNING!

(“Mollycoddled” is etymologically and historically pretty close to Atrios’s favored “whiny-ass titty-baby.” But the first two syllables could well have an association that amplifies the effect beyond the strict etymology. Another word that works that way is “pusillanimous.”)

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http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-…

1. obamahares
2. harebamas
3. prances with hares (hare-prancers)

“We have a large number of wild cottontails as well as Jack “Rabbits”. I have noticed that the cottontails often form large circles where they seem to stare at each other and one occassionally jumps straight up in the air. Why do they form these circles? What does the up and down hop mean in this context?”

“We have a large number of obamakins. I have noticed that they often form large circles where they seem to stare at each other and one occasionally jumps straight up in the air. Why do they form these circles? What does the up and down hop mean in this context?”

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goodness gracious!!!!

won’t someone please think of the children!!?!? ; >

ahh, myiq—good but not insulting enough…

Chihuahua fury is great! something related to those yip-yap tiny and mean dogs would be perfect—and maybe work in a Paris Hilton connection too!

maybe something connected to the “roots” part of “netroots” too— weedy? or digging in the dirt? or pulling up daisies instead of weeds? or mistaking weeds for roses? or about compost or something? ….something along the dirt/garden/pests/digging line? : >

It is aptly descriptive of the activity involved.

If non-NZ sports teams can do them, we should be able to refer to them.

When the fuck did blogging become politically correct anyway?

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how could i possibly forget that?!?! won’t someone please think of the children!?!?!???? ; >

maybe something about the “roots” part of “netroots”?

like compost/weeds/digging/pests/gardens or something? or pulling up flowers thinking they’re weeds or digging in the dirt looking for the wrong thing ….

i love the chihuahua thing too—tiny yip-yap dogs are perfect to describe it.

isn’t she the most rabid insane “investigator” among the wingnuts?

“If non-NZ sports teams can do them, we should be able to refer to them.”

What “non-NZ sports teams” do the haka? Please name one, with evidence.

(Hint - there aren’t any.) By your own argument, If-Then, you should not be using the haka as a pejorative.

It is offensive to the people to whom it belongs. Give it up.

BYU, U of H, two high school football teams.

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I’m gonna say “Prances with Hares” is out, though I love obamakins:)

And “Sausage Fisting”, Myiq, nope, just the mental image is enough to make we want to pass on that.

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like those truffle-hunting pigs? ; >

For all the reasons that bringiton cites above. There’s very little difference between this use of the term haka and the belittling, appropriation and commodification of indigenous America peoples’ cultures.

Most here object to the misogynist and sexism frames that are used against Hillary. Is it only because these frames are used against your (and my) preferred candidate? Or is it because those frames are inherently wrong?

or Obama’s O’Reillys (i just read that in ref to Olbermann)

(it should read dOlbermanns)

; >

I am reminded of Gary Larson’s “Early vegetarians return from the kill” in Far Side.

I couldn’t find a link, but it shows cavemen carrying a giant carrot.

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i like dOlbermanns best— dobermans + Obama’s biggest supporter in the media = priceless.

(the chihuahua thing and thinking of the truffle pigs—mixed with Malkin—made me think of it)

Regardless of the word used, the behavior exists, and we need to call bullshit on it.

So, will those who use the word “retire” make the mental adjustment to “replace,” examine the thread, and propose better alternatives?

Is there a word for the kind of chest beating that male hominids typically do, for example? Anything, I think, both grossly testesterone-fuelled, ineffectual, and collective….

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as well as “voodoo, jihad, kamikaze, sasquatch, totem, gauntlet and hula?” (Unless, of course, we are using them in their proper scholarly context and original usage)

I’m sticking with haka.

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Oh, dear. We really should talk.

But since you insist, let’s crawl through that Wiki reference shall we?

BYU. Mormons recruit heavily in the South Seas, and many Maori and Island People are students there. Had you read farther down the Wiki you would have seen that one of those students, and a member of the football team, is Bryce Mahuika; a Maori. Through his father, who died in 2005, Bryce holds princely status in the hierarchy of the Maori Ngati Porou iwi (tribe). It was he, from his position of authority in Ngati Porou and with the blessing of his grand-uncle Api Mahuika, chairman of the iwi, who brought the haka to BYU; it is a gift of the Maori people, not something BYU adopted on its own. A fine distinction, granted, but the haka at BYU is done by and with the sanction of a New Zealand Maori Prince and iwi Chairman, from the same iwi that sanctions use of the haka by the All-Blacks. If you can show me a princely authorization for what the OFB is doing, then you’ll have an argument. Meantime, the haka at BYU is in point of fact New Zealand based.

U of Hawaii. This effort did not go well. Maori as well as Island People objected strenuously to the misappropriation. From your Wiki reference:

In August 2007 the team announced[5] that they would be dropping the Maori haka, in favor of a new Hawaiian war chant under preparation by team members.

After that it’s down to high schools, several of which have strong Island People populations. Even there, much controversy has ensued. One district has declared the performance to be taunting, while at others there has been and continues to be controversy about using a Maori chant when the student athletes are actually Tongan or Samoan in heritage. The national rugby teams from Tonga and Samoa each have their own unique ritual war chant that they use before games, and the US teams are being strongly pressed to change by their own students and by the Ngati Porou iwi who are the rightful traditional protectors of that particular Maori tradition.

When you wrote “non-New Zealand sports teams” I assumed you meant teams of some professional stature, equivalent to the All-Blacks; silly me, and for that misinterpretation I deeply apologize. Had I recognized that you were citing the inappropriate behavior of adolescents as justification for continuing a culturally insensitive and insulting reference, my line of argument would have taken a different course. As it is, I believe I will just let you hold your position in your own hands without further challenge on my part; res ipsa loquitur.

I said “non-NZ sports teams,” you claimed “(Hint - there aren’t any.)” and now you walk it back by stating you “assumed” a meaning not contained in the words I used.

As for “res ipsa loquitur” I don’t think it means what you think it does.

We are using the term metaphorically, not literally. No one has claimed that the OFB are doing an actual ritual dance of the Maori.

But thank you for your concern.

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Is there a better term that has all of the positives (great sound, vivid image) and of the negatives (cultural appropriation)?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

“poo-flinging monkeys” but I don’t think it captures the swarming effect.

But if you insist, you are welcome to your own interpretation.

I stroll right past most Wikipedia references and did with yours upthread. When I read your second statement I had already forgotten the first one, and when you asserted you’d given a reference I had to read from the top to find it. My interpretation when I made my comment was as I said - no “walking back” involved, although that was a nice try at character assassination.

You’ve made your argument that misappropriation by adolescents is sufficient justification for continued misuse by supposedly responsible adults. Understanding you clearly, I am as I said content to let your argument stand on its own merits - res ipsa loquitur, the thing speaks for itself, applies literally.

Since we are, under your own terms, also speaking metaphorically, the use of haka as it has been done here and as you intend to continue doing can be seen within the legal construct of negligence. I see the use as (1) negligent, careless of harm done to others, (2) exclusively under the control of those who employ “haka” as a derogatory epithet, and (3) certainly occurring through no fault of the Maori; the harm being done to them and the respectability of their traditions is solely the responsibility of the offenders.

Thus, all three typical circumstantial requirements are met for the use of res ipsa loquitur in the legal sense as well as being applicable in the literal translation. I thought it was a rather clever pun, in Latin no less, but perhaps I was the only one in on the joke.

This is my last comment in this thread, so myiq you can have the last word if you choose. I’ve said what I wanted to about the misuse of haka and have no further interest in exchanging opinion.

Nor, Lambert, do I accept that a healthy substitute must be supplied prior to asking that a repulsive behavior be stopped. What is with that? Have you been sniffing shellac? Please reconsider.

…”war dance”. We get rid of the Maori word while keeping the concept. Surely there must be many other cultures that once upon a time danced to intimidate or demonstrate strength/virility.

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And just think! With a mere minute or two of time, we could not only have solved a problem that afflicts a few tender sensibilities, we could have kept calling bullshit on a problem that afflicts the entire fucking blogosphere and is affecting the primary. Name and claim it, you know. Haka’s propagating successfully for a reason; it has a great sounding name for a real problem. But you can’t beat something with nothing, which is why I want alternatives. Or we could stop using it ourselves, sit back and congratulate ourselves on our righteousness, and then let it keep propagating elsewhere.

But I guess my priorities are out of order. My bad.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Where is my alleged “duty of care”

What is the “standard of care?”

Since when do words constitute a “breach” of my duty of care? (assuming you manage to establish one)

Generally speaking, words alone would fall under defamation, which is an intentional tort.

What is the injury I allegedly caused?

Res ipsa loquitur used in negligence is a way to establish breach of care only.

Are you a lawyer BIO? I am.
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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

So, myiq2xu, why not try to solve the actual problem, instead of wasting time in a pissing match with bringiton? If it helps, I just yelled at him for the same thing.

So, whichever comes up with the best term first, bringiton or myiq2xu, wins. And whoever doesn’t participate is a hoser.

How about that approach?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

I need more alcohol to inspire my muse (she’s an alky)

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

1. Tantrum — not collective. Haka is a group of boyz.

2. Berserkergang — fails on sound. ha•ka is easy to write and say (also sounds infantile, like kaka). Also, short words look better in headlines.

3. The “other” ideas fail on lack of being collective. Though Cheeto rush and sausage festing (or fisting) have promise. Ick.

Molly dancing was perfect from a semantic standpoint. Lekking is collective and testerone fueled, but only applies to a few species of deer.

You know, when you think about it, giving names to male collectivities behaving very badly is not only a worthy endeavor, it’s not easy work.

Circlejerk also works, but the ick factor could be more subliminal than it is.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

lest someone become concerned we are insulting another culture, religion, ethnic group, gender or sexual preference.

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Although that might insult masturbatory Germanic tribes.

Perhaps combined with haka to form “Wanka?”

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Not bad, not bad at all. Good sound, keys off wanker, less icky than circlejerk, lends itself to neologisms like wankfestspielhaus (in the original German)…. Could be fun.

I’d say myiq’s now well ahead….

UPDATE And then of course there is the OFB national day of celebration and prayer: Wankfestivus.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

“A ritualized blogospheric display of collective male dominance whose vehemence is inversely proportional to the actual prowess of the males involved. It involves fierce facial expressions and grimaces, poking out of the tongue, eye bulging, grunts and cries, use of ALLCAPS and the waving of keyboards.

Usage example: The Boiz on the Blogs are having another wanka. See circlejerk.”

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

: >

[rimshot, laughter]

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Another advantage!

Still, the meaning of wankfest is clear right up front, as opposed to wanka, even though wanka’s sound is better.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

That’s a very important part of the wanka/wankfest.

Other customs include the checking of countertops, altering of videos, and excessive googling.

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

something with Pissah in it would work, too. ; >

Wicked Pissahs?

… it ought to be Cheetos-flinging.

Usage example: Another Cheetos-flinging wankfest from the Boiz. Maybe I’ll take that baby out for a spin on the freeway….

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

So Haka is okay in rugby because rugby is a ritualized substitute for war?

In contrast, politics is….war by other means.

All sports, with the possible exception of women’s softball as played by teams in Oregon and Washington, and maybe curling, are ritualized substitutes for war.

I like haka, i’d stick with it.

If change must be made, I’d go for the lek and lekking. Maybe I just like the ’k’ sound.

Cheeto rush is way awesome. I sort of think that might be better reserved for Freepers and Keyboard Kommandos, but then again, the Great Orange Cheeto slid over the edge into that territory quite a while ago.

Ohh, that’s good lambert. And “Cheetos-flingfest” could be the noun form.

Is there a word for the kind of chest beating that male hominids typically do, for example? Anything, I think, both grossly testesterone-fuelled, ineffectual, and collective….

Threat display. Lots of male animals perform them, as you know, and the generic term is threat display.

Personally I don’t see why using “haka” should be offensive to Maoris. Many human cultures have or have had ritualized male threat displays, and of course they’re very serious to the people involved. No offense is intended to them. The sting is for the OFB, who like to pretend that they’re engaging in cool political discourse. “Haka” names it for what it is: a ritualized male threat display.

I’m not sure it’s really offensive in reality. But it’s all about the meta now, isn’t it?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

is that it is a new term, and we therefore get to choose how it is defined. “Wankfest” has already been used, whereas with “wanka” we are propagating an entirely new term. Our definition will contain nothing offensive to any group except the Boiz. (Fuck them.)

Initially, only we will know what it means, so the Boiz will be confused. Anyone wanting to know it’s meaning will be directed here, increasing the page hits of this site.

Plus, it is shorter, only one character longer than the original term we seek to replace.

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

with the flaccid participants coated in cheet* and Astroglide.

*the orange dust from Cheetos
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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

… someone’s “forty year history as a pastor” called leniency?

I’d like to suggest that the connection with wanking seems off-base to me. Wanking of the blogular kind connotes mental masturbation, an indulgent activity that is fundamentally self-congratulatory. The haka or threat display, on the other hand, serves a very different purpose. It’s outward-directed, intended to intimidate an opponent.

I personally would never consider blog wankery or circle jerks to be even vaguely synonymous with a haka. Yes, a circle jerk and a haka are both ritually male behaviors, but otherwise they’re quite different.

But of course I’m just a girl.

the sports teams that use the haka, do so with Maori permission. The ritual is religious in context, as well, so there’s that sticky issue.

I still like Lekking. It’s not only deer, it is birds as well, and the idea of birds fluffing their crests at one another, as well as the strutting and ramming of the deer, are both very appropriate visual contexts for what happens amongst the Boiz.

As for if haka is offensive or not, I don’t know. But I realize I don’t see a lot of things wrong with the world, partly through societal indoctrination, partly from privilege. I’ve experienced enough diversity and adversity in my life, to try and respect where others come from. I thought that was what tolerance was all about.

In the thread at Shakesville that started this topic, the concept behind the haka, the bloviation of the blogosphere, was being lost in the negative connotations the word brought, especially for some native New Zealanders. It creates opposition, and makes it harder to propogate. Others will use this opposition, to discredit the other messages we are trying to spread(it’s why we are all here right, to try and influence). So in those interests, it would be best if we replaced it.

Let the Lekking Begin! The WVWV Lekking. The “War Zone” Lekking. Blumenthal Lekking. Joe Andrew Lekking.

See it’s easy.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Not just the GOP connotation, but the habit of elephants to, er, prick up their ears to appear larger than they actually are.

Seems like an underdog activity though, not something done by a camp that has so large a lead that its opponent’s failure to commit suicide is a non-act of purest delusion.

A ceremony unique to the OFB in the United States. A ritualized blogospheric display of collective male dominance whose vehemence is inversely proportional to the actual prowess of the males involved. It involves fierce facial expressions and grimaces, poking out of the tongue, eye bulging, grunts and cries, use of ALLCAPS and Cheeto-flinging.

The wanka begins when a meme is disseminated from campaign headquaters. The OFB then loudly and repetitively parrot this meme throughout the region know as Left Blogistan. The ceremony ends with the flaccid participants coated in cheet* and Astroglide.

Other customs include the checking of countertops, altering of videos, and excessive googling.

Usage example: The Boiz on the Blogs are having another wanka. See circlejerk.”

Related terms: Wankfest

*the orange dust from Cheetos

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Vote, n.

The instrument and symbol of a freeman’s power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country. - Ambrose Bierce

And what I like about “Lek” is that it also serves as a name for the _place_ where the display happens. So instead of saying that the latest bullshit has popped up at Kos, at WKJM, at HuffPo, Aravosis, etc., you can just say that it’s all over the lek.

I’ll quote the fun part of the OED entry again:

The lek is usually maintained at the arena for considerable periods of time and many species revive the performance at the same display-ground year after year… During lek displays the birds tend to stimulate one another.

The double K just sort of seals the deal.

Funny words always have a K prominently either audibly or visually.

The sniglet for that cheesy orange residue, at least on your fingers, is “Cheedles.”

Here:
Surprise! OFB Kantor/Clinton smear exposed as Cheetos-flinging wankfest, dirty trick

Works for me. I like lek in the abstract. The sound is great. The problem is that nobody knows what it means, and that’s a barrier to propagation. I like the “place” argument, but we also have “wankfestspielhaus.” Finally, wankfest too has a “k”, and is therefore funny.

Thanks to all!!!

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

but I believe “Cheedles” is the orange crumbs in a keyboard.

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Vote, n.

The instrument and symbol of a freeman’s power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country. - Ambrose Bierce

See, all kinds of possibilities… I’ll keep using it until it catches on. Like all the other trends I’ve initiated. For instance,

http://www.bertc.com/sniglets.htm

Cheedle (chee’ dul) - n. The residue left on one’s fingertips after consuming a bag of Cheetos.

Thpppppt!

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Vote, n.

The instrument and symbol of a freeman’s power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country. - Ambrose Bierce