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Comment over at Matt's place:

1) If ANY attempt is made to give Hillary the nomination using the Michigan or Florida issue, then the Democratic leaders can kiss millions of Obama supporters goodbye -- and they can kiss the Democratic Party goodbye.

2) For Hillary to even be trying to exploit Florida or Michigan at this moment shows that she is so fundamentally DISHONEST -- and so indifferent to the Democratic Party -- that she does not deserve to be dogcatcher in Little Rock, much less President of the USA.

3) Democratic leaders had better not even think of pandering to her -- and to Florida and Michigan state leaders -- at this point.

Posted by Don Williams | May 7, 2008 7:42 PM

Our problem has been that we actually did care about the Democratic Party, as well as our candidate.

This poster has no such compunction, and in the mass, such posters are able to instill fear and inflict pain and achieve success.

Now that Donna Brazile has clarified our position to us, however, our degrees of freedom are increased!

Or seem to. The Democrat Party's internal workings sometimes seem so opaque that you can't tell the kabuki players without a scorecard ....

UPDATE RiverDaughter:

Let’s get one thing straight. We all have choices in our lives. I have a vote. I could give it to McCain, Obama, the write in candidate of my choice or no one at all. If that concept pains Obama supporters and causes them distress, consider this: Obama has choices too. He could continue to cater to an ever shrinking pseudo-Democratic coalition running a Republican lite version of High Broderism and deliberately alienate half of his party or he could actually make an effort to stop pissing us off. He wants something I have. It is incumbent on HIM to gracefully kiss my ass to get it.

Bingo.

VP? Not enough. Try VP and the health care brief.

VP and the health care brief? Not enough.

VP, health care brief, and the short list of Supreme Court Nominations? Not enough.

Rinse, repeat.

Or we could say, "Please, sir! May I some more?"

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

the Democratic leaders can kiss millions of Hillary supporters goodbye — and they can kiss the Democratic Party goodbye.

" . . . we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender . . ."- Winston Churchill

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Submitted by amberglow on

false to boot. It's his failures to win over swing voters that's the real issue, and threats of no AA votes or riots in Denver, etc, are simply distractions from those continuing failures.

Obama's supporters and campaign know full well that the ones who will vote McCain are not his supporters but hers. And his and his supporters' continued insults and trashing of Clinton voters are driving more and more away daily.

The voters needed to win are not AA, but women, older voters, working class whites, and Hispanics. Women alone are the majority of voters in our party, and even non-voting women can be brought in easily if it's an issues-based campaign.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

I have always thought the OFB remarks on this was a text book case of projection.

Having said that, Obama does attract a great many indiependents, different from the ones Clinton attracts, but Obama does get independent voters.

Submitted by lambert on

I spaced on it. (And I can't find something about the TX caucus affidavits that I wanted to relate it to... Tomorrow....)

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by koshembos on

VP? Not enough. Try VP and the health care brief.

VP and the health care brief? Not enough.

VP, health care brief, and the short list of Supreme Court Nominations? Not enough.

Agree. Stated more forcefully: Obama hijacked the Democratic party that belongs to the minorities, (i.e. AA, Hispanics, Asians, Jews) true liberals and blue collars workers. We don't negotiate with him or his ilk. They are unreliable and their promises are worth a signature on a block of ice.

Furthermore, he is way more dangerous to the country than McCain. We should seat on our hands. After all, if he had any need for us, he would've moved towards us long ago. (His goons will continue to support him even if turns out to a serial killer.) Even worse, he notified us through Donna Brazile that we are yesterday's news, that he has new soldiers, that FDR is old hat and his coalition outdated.

As Bob Hope said after his home in Malibu burned down: I was insured by the good hands company, but when I came to them, they showed me only one fingure.

KoshemBos

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Submitted by Incitatus on

...full well that the ones who will vote McCain are not his supporters but hers."

Yes, we do, and I brought this up on another thread. Although, bizarrely, several Clinton supporters attacked my oppinion that McCain was a moderate (If he isn't why all this talk of jumping ship, I wonder?).

It's a conundrum to be sure. How on the one hand, the OBF is both too uncompromisingly progressive (somebody invoked a Naderism, I think), and yet also full of closet Republican sympathisers, while the "true liberal" Clinton supporters talk about how they are far, far more likely to vote for McCain than we are. As if the idea that joining forces with a group that would just as soon vote for McCain is supposed to be appealing to one's fellow Democrats?

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McCain is known to America as a straight-talking, independent maverick who bucks his party line--he's not. He's a rightwing warhawk and corrupt to boot, but America knows him and doesn't hate him or mistrust him. Many millions distrust Obama for many reasons--his race is not in the top 5 reasons either, btw.

When Clinton supporters say they'll vote McCain rather than Obama, they're saying a bunch of things--including that they'll vote for the person they (think they) know in the race, rather than the one they don't know at all--and who has not run as a Democrat but in fact as the opposite-- as some postpartisan, Republican-complimenting, "unity" candidate, which is not appealing to actual loyal Democrats who want the GOP punished and want good and practical things done instead of "unity" and "change" and whatever.

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Submitted by amberglow on

i don't know a soul who believes Obama is a progressive or liberal at all--his policies are to the right of Hillary's, for god's sake.

He's right-leaning centrist, and sounds just like Lieberman and the DLC when he's not sounding just like the Republican candidates who run for office here in NY.

Being a Democrat actually means something to us--it's not some base you use to ride your way to an office, as Bloomberg did when he switched parties to run for mayor as a Repub because it'd be easier.

It's a partisan political party with a strong history of helping regular people and of protecting our laws and rights and advancing those for all.

We don't want postpartisanship--we'd be Independents if we did. We don't want unity--we want to fight those who harm us and harm the country. We don't want change--we want to use the system to help people.

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Submitted by cenobite on

Although, bizarrely, several Clinton supporters attacked my oppinion that McCain was a moderate...

Please get it right. I object to Obama far more than I support Clinton.

McCain has a media image of being a moderate. He is not. When you say he is, you help support that false media image. You're effectively holding up a "vote for McCain" sign, and I don't think you want to do that.

That's why, by the way, I'll be voting for Obama if he wins the nomination. I don't like him, but I don't like McCain a lot more.