... it would have been really clever of Obama not to run the misogynistic campaign that he ran -- or pick a white woman for VP. What a Clusterfuck. Just saying.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

or "STFU and Send Money"?

and I can do it shorter:
"people suck."

Would have been lambert. But you know he has mommy issues.

Money can't fix this - hell hath no furie...

except for the title and the focus on soccer moms.

of the Stanford survey. And I do not believe that the election is so close because we are all a bunch of selfish, over-pampered racists. Obama's lack of a big lead has everything to do with Obama the candidate, not Obama the black man. His base of college students and creative class is not as big a demographic in the electorate as a whole as it was in the Democratic primary.

This Stanford poll is being thrown out there to set up all the name-calling if Obama loses and to make sure nobody has the audacity to lay the blame for defeat on Obama. I do not believe that if Obama was the exact same candidate he is now, only white, that he would be 6 points ahead.

He can win this by becoming an actual Democrat. He can show some leadership on,oh say, the current economic explosion. he can finally tell people how an Obama administration will help them, make their lives better.

And your attack on suburban mothers seems a bit gratuitous.

just seems so "July" to me. Or was it June?

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Around these parts we call cucumber slices circle bites

I would agree with you but ... with Russia in our back yard, China getting ready to pull the plug on our economy, the Arab world - shit don't get me started.

What we need in the world is a diplomatic presence that understands some place other than Britain. Has an answer other than kill them all and let god sort them out and the only other answer is:

McCain & Palin

And Obama has competition? For real?

The geezer and the weather girl? With guns blazing for the Christian glory of the nation ... in whose mind is this a viable alternative? Especially if you're a democrat.

I just want to hear the logic

not yet, Sarah

I still have hope. It's on life support - but still alive.

Hell, 30% of the black community harbor negative views toward blacks. Still, as a group, they have enough sense to see Obama as a last gasp. What the fuck is wrong with all the rest of you?

Saw that report and started to write it up, RL got in the way and now here is brave Xeno so thanks, My Friend, your black ass on the line instead of my white one. A small study, with some uncertainty in the methodology, but for my money better than anything else that has been done this season and pretty close to the truth. The breadth of sexist bigotry in this country is only slightly greater than the scope of racial bigotry, same as always. Both of them are inexcusable.

Sarah, my dear; deep breath. It is bigotry that sucks, regardless of the source. There's a lot of it going around. Nobody is pointing at you, not at all.

Xeno, my main man; you know I love you. [Places very large, very meaty hand on your shoulder and squeezes just hard enough to cause pain, looking straight into your eyes and not blinking.] Head up: Don't get personal. That was mean, and unacceptable. You really don't want anyone doing that to you. Capische?

"... 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks ..."

funny, nobody ever asks what percentage of women 'hold at least a partly negative view towards' men, but we're always expected to willingly vote for them anyway.

of absolutely wonderful.

Newsweek article on the poll:

Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.

The 'full results' poll pdf doesn't have the breakdowns that would show influence on voting of negative language of whites toward AAs that shows up in the Newsweek article or the link above, or how the 2.5% swing was calculated.

Also, the poll shows only 70% of Democrats backing Obama. Most polls the past two weeks show a much higher number. The poll was taken Aug 27-Sep 05. So some people changed their minds.

No data on how much further ahead Obama would be now absent delegate-stealing, the frenzied misogyny of some of his louder supporters, or mockery of those bittercling small town folk who are afraid of him because they don't know any other 'smart' people. Or if he'd picked someone other than Biden for VP. Can't wait for those polls!

If I feel (and I do) that Obama is unqualified for the office, has no scruples (for lack of a better word at the moment), was awarded the nomination instead of winning it, it makes me racist if I vote against him (or not for him)?

Okay, if you say so. But I simply cannot vote for the man. And in fact, every time I hear the racist meme it pisses me off more.

I cannot recall now if I was in the 5th or 6th grade, but we were living on a military post in VA. In the Officer's apt. housing we were in, we had a black family next to us with, I believe 3 girls. One night, the girls and their mom and I went to a softball game off post. The oldest girl got beaned with a softball so the mom and I took off looking for a convenience store to get some aspirin or whatever. Garnett sent me in to get the meds. I went to the counter asking for aspirin, Bufferin or whatever. The old fart at the counter told me to get out, calling me a nigger-lover and I don't know what else. I went back to the car crying and told Garnett what happened. I remember she went in the store and got the meds.

I'm telling this because being an Army brat, we kids all played together at post events and things. No one thought about racial issues, we were all just kids. That's the way I grew up so when I hear the racist bullshit thrown at me for not supporting Obama, well, it pisses me off.

Not in similar numbers, and not as openly as some, but having the one man who could advance human rights on a large scale be the same dumb bastard as any other man running for office -- and specifically use racism as insulation for his surrogates' use of sexism throughout this campaign -- makes me damn angry.

With the level of passivity he has shown in response of the usual suspects doing what they do in terms of campaign finance, lobbying and political advice, he owes too many people and simply is not strong enough to handle a recession. Yes, McCain is much worse, but will either of them be able to avoid the chaos on the horizon, that will turn us into a failed state?

...a self-made lead, and it can be seen in what they've published over time, and what they have (racism) and have not (sexism, ageism) focused on. These are just a handful:

Race may be issue for Obama in election

Race may cost Obama

Kansas Gov. Sebelius accuses GOP of using 'code language' of race to sway voters against Obama

Charges That Racism Could Doom Obama's Candidacy Are Unfair

Obama, Race And Undecided Voters

Kansas Gov. Sebelius accuses GOP of using 'code language' of race to sway voters against Obama

Gov. David Paterson says GOP used 'racial coding'

Paterson Implies 'Accidental' Racism

The Village People's verdict? Come fall, you best vote for our pick or you're guilty. They've spoken, they've made their ruling.

Folks would be stupid to believe that his race doesn't play any role at all in some undecideds trying to grasp onto him, especially considering he's a historic first. But, that doesn't seem to be the problem. No one talks about how many people McCain loses because of rampant ageism allowed to fly around in broad daylight. No one even bothered to study the effects of Clinton's gender on her candidacy. No one ever polls how much Obama's race helps. No one ever bothers to ask if people have a hard time connecting to him because it's a multi-cultural, Hawaii-born, Chicago-formed academic.

The problem seems to be that the Village has jumped the gun, and they've already written two alternate endings to the election. I guess if they say one of them enough it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, no?

Damom: No one ever polls how much Obama’s race helps.
According to the most recent poll by BIO Associates, the electoral benefit for Obama from his racial and ethnic identity - in terms of accrued advantages minus estimated disadvantages divided by the square root of annoyance at being asked the question - is 0.000000% with a margin of error of 0.0 give or take the barometric pressure including an adjustment for the dewpoint as measured by the wet-bulb method. So that's settled, then.

D: The problem seems to be that the Village has jumped the gun, and they’ve already written two alternate endings to the election. I guess if they say one of them enough it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, no?
What the flying fuck does that even mean? Bupkis.

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... refuse to vote the way the rest of the world wants them to vote? Even if the rest of the world doesn't know what an arrogant, hateful, vindictive prick Obama is.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

and say a lot more if it didn't just look at white views about blacks, but everyone's views on all groups, including their own. Everyone stereotypes, and its possible you'd see just as large a percent agreeing with negative adjectives about the other groups.

Also, if the poll just asked if they agreed with each of a list of negative adjectives, of course you got people agreeing. Its kind of pushing the negative. To be less biased you'd need a list of adjectives that were both positive and negative and say pick some number, say 5, that apply to X group.

Looking at the data it looks like the fate of the nation is going to come down to the decision of white women.

Really? I don't see any links for that. Where is this data?

For one thing, Xenophon, I don't know why you're laying all this at the feet of white women when poll after poll shows that it's white men who are the ones who are voting Republican. Even that vaunted 20-point swing away from Obama after the RNC may very well be crap. See Bob Somerby for some analysis on that.

Second, you're making the mistake of taking a news article about a poll and drawing conclusions from it that are unwarranted. This is a poll that measures racial attitudes. But what are these attitudes? How strongly are they held? And most importantly, did the pollsters ask about whether these attitudes would affect the way the respondents would vote come November? The article says none of that. However, it, like you, take that 40% figure and conclude, without support, that it must mean that white women are a bunch of racists who aren't going to vote for Obama because he's black.

Third, why are you answering perceived bigotry with bigotry?

arctic Barbie

weather girl

But, alas, as the last soccer mom hops in her gas guzzling SUV and trucks her latte drinking ass to the mall to get blasted at the local theme bar with her “friends” before its time to pick up Amber and Brad from another one of their overscheduled activities

Mmm, the smell of sexism in the morning. Smells like defeat.

Tell me, why the scare quotes around "friends"? Do you think that white women don't actually have any?

You know, if you want your guy to win, perhaps you could dial down the simmering rage directed at white women. Yes, I know it must be frustrating that they're actually making noises this year, asking to be taken as seriously as other groups such as labor or farmers or religious folks, asking for their votes to be earned rather than just taken for granted. But even if the data bore out your conclusions -- and that's far from certain (I do notice you haven't actually provided any such data), given that polls show that a majority of white women support Obama -- you are going about winning their votes in quite the wrong way.

Why are you helping McCain win?

Not so fast, lambert!

Xenophon, first you say white women are pissed off. What are they pissed off AT? Misogyny and corruption of Obama and the DNC.

Then you launch into race-baiting which is spreading like a virus throughout the land. You contradicted yourself. This has nothing to do with race except Obama is a black man who used misogyny to win the nomination.

The working class and women will not vote for Obama because of the misogyny and corruption of the primary. It has nothing to do with race.

Brazile, Obama et al stated they do not need the working class and women to win in November. They continue to alienate the working class and women which make up the bulk of the electorate. Nothing adds up in Obama Nation.

Ok, Fine. Some people are racists. What about us White NON-racists? Are we allowed to vote for the person of our choice or only the person of YOUR choice? So, how many Democrats who support YOUR choice are sexists?

Come together at The Confluence

"Artic Barbie?" "Weather Girl?"

Is this Correntewire, or is it Americablog?

I *love* this cherchez la femme meme. This feels like a preemptive strike by Democratic men to find someone else to blame.

n/t

Xenophon has put this nicer that many people. If Obama loses we can expect years of this.

Personally I remain optimistic that he will win. While I think Obama's scorched earth primary is much to blame, I think there is a certain truth in what Xenophon says and is precisely how the world will see us.

if McCain wins, 'cause I'm not voting for him.

But I will be damned if I will sit idly by while the people who could -- no, damn it, SHOULD -- prevent McCain from winning waste their time and energy in CYA hissy fits.

I know that there is no way under the sun Hillary Clinton will be allowed to succeed in her quest to be President. The hate runs too deep. She and Bill came from Outside the Village, with a vision that included people Not of the Beltway.

To go back to an old ST:TOS episode, she and Bill were recognized as Not of the Body, not Believers in Landru.
So the Village set out to destroy them; and because Bill and Hillary Clinton were working from real-life rather than a Gene Rodenberry script, the Village, being more numerous and more dedicated and the Clintons having no orbital weapons platform and transporter access, is about to succeed, finally.

But I find the Village's choice of a meme to justify its destruction -- namely that all people not dedicated to the proposition that Barack Hussein Obama is The Second Coming, Amen, are hopeless bigot racist worthless GOP scum -- loathesome in the extreme.

I hope I can make this clear.

It is not the Obamas, Barack and Michelle and their children, who have played the race card at this level of infuriating and abominable cacophony; they are as innocent as any family in politics can be, in this day and age in America. They've done what the Clintons did in the 1980s. They've dared to dream -- and had their dreams seized by the political powers they hoped to control, instead.

What their fate may be must wait for November's revelations. But in the meantime it behooves each and every person who does not wish to live in serfdom to set aside the bitterness and name-calling, the ass-covering and divisiveness, with which the Village has so richly rewarded its followers and enemies alike.

Stop fighting amongst factions, Democrats. Start fighting against Republicans. Step one is to deny the Bush administration this insane bailout of Wall Street, because even if Wall Street doesn't just cave in some short time later, it will have sucked all the money out of the budget for everything else this nation needs.

More bridges will fall.
More children will die.
More soldiers will go back to war with inadequate supplies.

McCain and Palin will continue merrily down the road Reagan and the Bushes and Newtie and Gramm started the nation's feet upon in 1980.