How to talk to a Hillary supporter -- If you must

Heck, that headline wrote itself, and this interesting post really doesn’t deserve it; go read.

Still, though, it’s a little strange that Obama supporters have to work so hard — and change their typical talking points so much — to get Democratic votes, isn’t it? Just saying.

But then what would I know? I’m a racist.

NOTE I did change my sig:

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

And if I have to read another “What about the Supreme Court” post, I’ll scream. If Leahey gets off his scrawny Vermont ass, whoever gets sent up to his committee isn’t relevant.

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I read all the way through and

all I got was why I should vote against McCain. The preambles to the “b-b-b-b-but he’s not McCain” arguments where deflections of the imagined resistor’s concerns. Is it my jaundiced eye? What did I miss?

well I thought it was good

I wish more Obama supporters would read it.

It doesn't really matter to me one way or another

I’m going bowling on election day.

jaundice

that’s what i got out of it too: vote republican-lite so you don’t have to vote republican.

on most of those talking points, my only answer to how can i get you to vote for obama? is make your candidate change his position on that issue to something further left.

talk about the stages of grief. i was still unhappy about kucinich dropping out of the race even as i cast my vote for edwards, who promptly suspended his campaign the day after i voted for him. i finally got over that and started warming up to hillary, and now this. really, the democrats have been picking off the left-most candidate each time as the primary season has progressed.

Yeh, read that

If this is the best they can do, Obama is really in fucking trouble.

But I think it IS the best they can do. Obama obviously dares not offer anything of substance, so all they have left is “He’s not John McCain, isn’t that enough for you?”

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Good night and good riddance!

One third

I could only get about 1/3 through it, got bored. That’s what comes of being a low attention span old geezer I guess. Between this and the trolls this is all getting really really lame.

I decided the guy was toast when the San Francisco fundraiser remarks got publicized, nothing since then would cause be to worry he might get elected.

Horselover Fat

half of the things that were suggested

would make me scream. Especially the Supreme Court shtick.

Go Hillary or Go Green!

I first read it at MyDD but I didn't comment then

I didn’t want to get myself banned by expressing my true feelings.

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“Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are.”
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Obama by a landslide

I think Obama will win by a landslide, 1932 style.

Slow down Orion

Don’t be a pest.

Sometimes the spam filter is triggered automatically and that hides the comment. I know that more than 2-3 links in a comment will do it. Maybe it’s the high number of one-line quotes in your comment.

Lambert can’t be around 24/7 so if you’re having an issue you can use the “contact” link under the top banner.

Good Lord...

that piece read like a “how to recruit people for Scientology” article.

And the difference is?

n/t

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“Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are.”
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

McCain Could Lose in a Landslide

I’m not sure Obama could win. I think it’s more a question of how far the GOP collapses and whether Obama can take advantage.

Part of it will be, I think, who McCain picks as VP. Whether he can get someone seen as having new blood, separate from D.C., and can energize the ticket. Obama is not, IMO, the GOP’s problem, lack of energy for the GOP and its candidate is its problem. If they can solve that problem, either by smearing Obama or helping themselves, then this could be a very close election.

I think it’s too early to tell.

Oh good grief

That reminds me of what I’ve heard when the Jehovah Witnesses or the LDS guys come to my door.

If they’ve got to do that much of a hard sales job, that’s sad.

Perhaps I should put up a sign on the lawn: “I’m not voting for anyone.

oh my

He’s got a lot of experienced people around him, though. I think he is smart enough to know where to look for the expertise he doesn’t have.

Isn’t this what they said about Bush? lol kool aid is kool aid no matter the flavor.

Parody

I took another look, do believe this is parody.

Note the title resemblance to a recent Ann Coulter screed, too. This is a put-on.

Horselover Fat

Some MyDD commentors "get it".

There was some earnest good advice in the comments about not just falling back on SUPREME COURT at every turn. I think someone even used the metaphor of brandishing a coat hanger.

The main article was long, slow going and whatnot, but I don’t have to tell anyone here that there are plenty among the OFB who still do not grasp the basic facts such as “The primary is over. Your guy won.”

The best part was at the end when he admonished folks that maybe they’re not necessarily good ambassadors for their cause (Obama) and shouldn’t be facing the public if they lack the social experience to know when to stick a cork in it. (I encountered an Obama person manning an official tent at Philly pride this past Sunday who could use this advice. I finally had to tell her: “Hillary’s not IN THE RACE anymore…”)

The author needs to find a way to tighten that up and move it to the top of the article…

(N.B.: demoinesdem is a she

according to her webpage.) I posted on this a few days ago, and haven’t been on line much since, so it’s interesting to read all of your comments, which reflect almost exactly all of my reactions. On balance, I thought it was very good advice, although (as many of you have noted) strangely free of positive talking points about Obama. If all they’ve got is “Supreme Court! Supreme Court!” in June, then either they’re not thinking very hard, or they don’t have a lot to work with.

strangely free of positive talking points about Obama.

“strangely free of positive talking points about Obama.”

Because it is a parody, a joke, a gag.

Horselover Fat

Unintentional Parody

but it did make we want to gag.

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“Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are.”
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

It took me a while...

But I do now see that it could be parody (again, if
it were a little tighter). Genius!

Axelrod should hire the writer, then

Instead of the people he’s using now.

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Here's my guess...

Part of it will be, I think, who McCain picks as VP. Whether he can get someone seen as having new blood, separate from D.C., and can energize the ticket.

Bobby Jindal.

He’s young, he’s energetic, he’s popular, and he’s done more on Katrina than Obama has. He’s also seen as not being part of the corrupt political establishment in Louisiana.

It doesn’t hurt that he’s Indian-American, either.

Good Guess, zuzu

It also gives McCain a Southern base and adds that “historic” aspect to the race.

I wonder if the staffer who did that (D)-Punjab is still on the Obama payroll? I noticed there was no indication he was fired at the time. You know the GOP would love to innoculate itself against charges of racism with that.

Jindal/MyDD

Jindal believes in demonic possession and has a few other very fringey views. But if Obama is about making religious people feel welcome in the New Democratic Party, that would be a discordant note to sound.

Back on topic… the MyDD piece is a good one, I think, because it’s a mostly polite admonition that Obama people stop treating hesitant people with such condescension and contempt. Their default argument has to be something other than, “What are ya, some kind of fuckin’ moron?” Or “I’m sorry… sorry that you’re such a racist.”

Jindal Part II

Have any politicians tried to rally Asian and/or South Asian voters to either party? I remember hearing about Republican efforts to reach out to Latinos, Arabs, and Muslims, but those have pretty much foundered on xenophobic fearmongering.

Clinton Had Strong Outreach

to Asians at least here in SoCal. She was rewarded by winning them 3-1 in the State.

I think Huckabee still, w/

Romney in some important job too—Treasury or something maybe.

McCain needs to shore up his base more than he needs to attract new groups who don’t go GOP nationwide. And there are bigger and better groups to pick from anyway—Hispanics, for instance, or Women.

I bet McCain reinforces the all-American thing

and doesn’t go with any minority at all. And Louisiana pols are notoriously corrupt and weird.

totally, but usually

the establishment pick that ends up being the nominee has a solid resume and track record, and is strong on our basic issues.

Not this time, tragically.

it's exactly what they said about Dubya--

and it was also intended to reassure people about him—it worked for the GOP, but it won’t work for us.

If the candidate himself can’t be good on our issues, why is that the candidate? One of those other people who will “be around to help” and who are needed to reassure should be the nominee then—that’s how i see it.

antidisestablishmentarianism

i agree with you about track record and issues, oh do i ever, but i have to admit that the woman who said of the dnc, they’ve had two winners in 40 years, well, she’s absolutely got a point there. i can sure see that attraction of change, and washington outsiderness. not that i’m especially sanguine about this particular agent of change.

my pro-obama friends tell me he really is progressive, just wait and see. audacity of hope indeed. at this point, i have to hope that they’re right, since i’m one of those people who needs government to start working for them at some point in the near future, and i’m absolutely convinced that mccain will further destroy that part of the government that i need. i should note that these friends are [almost] all younger than me [which would make them younger than obama too, since the prez-in-waiting and i are close in age].

All American

But Jindal can be a good pivot — different skinny kid with a different funny name, grows up to be a proud conservative… it’s new! and multicultural! but it ends up being about immigrant faith and patriotism instead of disaffection and liberalism.

It also could give Republicans a chance to say they have a problem with _Obama_ specifically, not immigrants or darker-skinned people in the entirety.

I don’t think the Republican power brokers or the Lou Dobbsians would care for it, but it would be a complicating mindfuck.