WaPo:
Pelosi Accuses CIA of 'Misleading' Her on Interrogations
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today accused the CIA of "misleading" her on the use of harsh interrogation techniques in the fall of 2002, acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago.Pelosi called for the CIA to release detailed portions of her own September 2002 briefing about interrogation techniques, saying that at that time she was told the CIA was not waterboarding detainees. After weeks of sticking to prior statements that she then was never "briefed" about waterboarding's use, Pelosi today said her top security adviser was part of a briefing in February 2003 in which he learned interrogators were waterboarding terrorists.
Later, government reports showed that a high value al Qaeda detainee had been subjected to waterboarding 83 times in August 2002, weeks before Pelosi's briefing on the matter.
"At every step of the way the administration was misleading the Congress," Pelosi told reporters in a heated news conference, linking the alleged misinformation on waterboarding to now discredited intelligence reports in the fall 2002 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
She said that in February 2003, after her aide relayed the information about the use of waterboarding, Pelosi learned that Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who had just replaced Pelosi as the top Democrat on the intelligence committee, wrote a letter to the CIA general counsel questioning the techniques and whether President Bush knew of their use.
"That is the proper person to send the letter," Pelosi said, explaining that she was then the House minority leader and was not the "appropriate" person to object to the technique. "My job was to change the majority in Congress."
Well, fair enough.
It's only that waterboarding is torture; has been since the Inquisition, and probably long before. Therefore, under the Geneva Convention which, as a treaty, is the law of the land, the law was being broken. Didn't Pelosi have some responsbility in that regard, other than to say "It's not my job," and take torture off the table?
I find this whole discussion discouraging on a number of levels:
1. "Now we know." Before the Bush administration, we could close our eyes to what was being done in our name. Now, we can't. We are a nation that tortures, and there's a portion of the population -- which includes most of Versailles
and many Obama supporters -- that's perfectly OK with that.
2. And then there's the whole "we're the good guys" thing. Yeah, well.
3. But even more discouraging to me -- and, since 2000, I've become more cynical, or, of you prefer, more realistic, than I ever would have thought possible -- is that this is the discussion we are permitted to have. As Somerby points out:
We’ll enjoy a new regular segment on Countdown—a regular “WTF moment.” Presumably, this means that Olbermann’s show will now proceed like this:
Fifth story: The latest in torture, with our own Richard Wolffe.
Fourth story: The latest in torture, with Jonathan Turley.
Third story: Some random sort of bull-sh*t or other.
Second story: What did O’Reilly sort of say?
First story: Some ludicrous “WTF moment.”On the “issues” front, you’ll hear about torture—and nothing else. From there, you’ll go straight to the bullsh*t.
Given the givens, here -- Olbermann, Maddow, their network -- it's most likely that the focus on torture is misdirection; a way for "progressives" to blow off some steam. Which, when you think about it, means that a totally lawless elite that tortures is, in the great scheme of things, small potatoes to those who own and control our discourse. I don't think that bodes well.
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Walked past the big-screen TV in
my firm's reception area; it is always on CNN.
The banner showing on the screen under Sheldon Whitehouse's face read: Did waterboarding work?
I didn't have time to listen to Whitehouse, to know whether he was calling BS on that being the wrong question, but as long as that is how the issue is framed, we will continue to be the nation that does not punish those who violate domestic and international laws that prohibit torture.
As for Pelosi, I've said for a long time that I thought the reason she took impeachment off the table was that she knew her own ass might be in danger of being fed into the meatgrinder. As much as I think the CIA failed to properly seek Congress' approval of proposed programs and actions, and instead reported after the fact and not always the same information to those briefed, it angers me no end that Pelosi chose to allow Bush and his henchmen to continue the horror, unimpeded by any consequence, in order to - what looks like - save her own skin.
It's handy that those who were waterboarded...
Are "terrorists," not "accused/suspected/purported" terrorists, etc. Illegal, inhuman, whatever -- a technique that is magically used only on guilty people is pretty impressive.
well said, sir
Now that you've realized even torture is small potatoes to the pirates who would rule us, think about all the lovely things that making a big noise about it's supposed to divert us from really dealing with.
Third rail, anyone?
No Hell below us
Above us, only sky
Pelosi Kabuki
I'm not going to give Pelosi a pass. Not even a little bit. But, oh, how I love how the GOP has found and issue which has galvanized them. This reminds me very much of how any of the Congresspersons that voted for the Iraq War were somehow equally to blame with those that contrived and executed the selling of the war. Because, Hillary was just as guilty as Bush, right?
How I see it is that this is a ploy to put so much pressure on her that the issue of torture slowly fades into the background, again, with nothing having been done. God, how I despise Washington.
You know, forget that Cheney personally used his office to request the torture dial to be turned up to 10. Forget that the administration was trying to force a connection between Iraq and 9/11 with this torture. Forget that these fools essentially contrived, signed off on, and initiated this torture.
I hope everything is brought to light, and as I've said in other threads, if it implicates some Dems, so be it. In fact, I'm not sure how some Democrats couldn't be partially complicity in this. But, if the GOP want's to try to equalize guilt in this, they've got another thing coming if I have anything to say about it. Because, I'll be damned if I sit back and see someone like Pelosi dragged through the coals while Bybee gets to slink away back into the darkness. Hell no.
But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...