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If non-violence is good enough for #OccupyChicago, why isn't it good enough for AdBusters?

I think the message AdBusters is sending here is pretty clear. Here's the response from a member of OccupyChicago.

What's fascinating to me is that there's no strategy suggested or even implied in the AdBusters post. Check the last sentence of the AdBusters piece:

What is different is that we’re being forced to acknowledge that autonomy is a core principle of the movement, for better or worse.

Note the lack of agency! Why are we doing any of this? Fee fees? Ego?

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Submitted by DCblogger on

its like Adbusters can sit there from the comfort of Canada and issue some ukase. Obviously they are stirring up trouble. I wish I could go to Chicago and assist them. There are people who can train demonstrators how to recognize trouble makers within your ranks and defuse trouble before it gets started.

Wow, I am just shaking with anger. Like Occupy doesn't have enough trouble without armchair activists encouraging violence.

Submitted by lambert on

.... that I have yet to get my head around. Lack of agency is part of it, because violence advocates rarely call directly for violence.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by DCblogger on

the difficult to follow sentences, a sure sign that the writer is up to no good.

Submitted by lambert on

I mean, I iike to think I'm up to good, at least on some days, and my sentences are long and complex. So, what do you mean, "convoluted"?

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by hipparchia on

from the wikipedia bio of kalle lasn:

He is the co-founder of Adbusters magazine and author of the books Culture Jam and Design Anarchy and is the co-founder of the Adbusters Media Foundation, which owns the magazine. He reportedly started Adbusters after an epiphany that there was something profoundly wrong with consumerism. It happened in a supermarket parking lot. Frustrated that he had to insert a quarter to use a shopping cart, he jammed a bent coin in so that the machine became inoperable. This act of vandalism was his first (quite literal) “culture jam" -- defined as an act designed to subvert mainstream society.

Submitted by lambert on

And I wonder if the style shows that. I bet it does (because still shows everything....).

I'm looking for tells in the discourse; I wish to be able to dispose of great swaths of trollery in a single move...

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi