Obama's Op-Ed in the Times today:
As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 — two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. That would not be a precipitous withdrawal.
In carrying out this strategy, we would inevitably need to make tactical adjustments. As I have often said, I would consult with commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government to ensure that our troops were redeployed safely, and our interests protected. We would move them from secure areas first and volatile areas later. We would pursue a diplomatic offensive with every nation in the region on behalf of Iraq’s stability, and commit $2 billion to a new international effort to support Iraq’s refugees.
Ending the war is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been. As Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently pointed out, we won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq.
Unlike Senator McCain, I would make it absolutely clear that we seek no presence in Iraq similar to our permanent bases in South Korea, and would redeploy our troops out of Iraq and focus on the broader security challenges that we face.
Readers, thoughts?
I guess prosecution for war profiteering, post-Presidency impeachment, and war crimes trials aren't on the table, but then I never thought they would be. (And a Truth and Reconciliation Commission will have to come from the real grass roots.)
I guess, and I know this will sound hopeless and cynical and disempowered, but we live under a criminal regime and, after the FISA Clusterfuck
, I'm not sure we'll ever get relief... I guess what I feel at this point is that the war has run its course, as wars do, even total wars, which this was not. A lot of little people have died, and the great have postured and looted even more vociferously than usual. So what's not to like? In practice, Hillary, or McCain, would end up doing more or less what Obama will do, because we really don't have the power to do anything else, for fiscal reasons alone. And as usual, the devil is always in the qualifiers and the details. I don't know what "similar to our permanent bases in South Korea" means, for example. We've got permanent bases all over the world -- which I agree with Ron Paul we ought to be getting rid of -- so we could have a permanent presence that wasn't "similar to" South Korea, but like Uzbekistan or Okinawa, for example. When I see the permanent bases either jackhammered to bits or turned over to the Iraqis for non-military uses, I'll believe.
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The op-ed and speech mean nothing
"And as usual, the devil is always in the qualifiers and the details. I don’t know what “similar to our permanent bases in South Korea” means, for example."
I have never before come close to being so cynical. We can take nothing from the op-ed. We will learn nothing from the speech. We can no longer believe our leaders. We can no longer believe our media.
"Hillary, or McCain, would end up doing more or less what Obama will do, because we really don’t have the power to do anything else..."
We've been methodically, deliberately trapped by the Bush administration. I'll never understand why. I've always prided myself on trying to empathize with my opponent and not question motives. But try as I might, I can't understand the motives that drove us to war in Iraq.
"There in stately splendor, far removed .."
"... the squalid village below, they fight their petty battles over power and money." Simple answers to simple questions.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
60-80,000 troops staying is not "ending"
anything--it's all lies.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul...
-- "...He did not specify how big the residual force would be - one of his advisers has speculated it could be as big as 60,000-80,000 troops ..."
You Nailed It Bo
"We’ve been methodically, deliberately trapped by the Bush administration. I’ll never understand why."
We're fucked in Iraq. The current Administration, with the acquiesence of the democratic Congress and the support of the news media, has made sure that we have no good choices. Bad things will happen if we leave (which will be blamed on the next Administration) and bad things if we stay (which will be blamed on the next Administration). Why? Because Iraq is a disaster where bad things happen constantly.
The real mistake was not doing more to force a withdrawal timeline on this Administration because that guaranteed this clusterfuck continued into the next Administration. Why the Democrats thought that would be good for Democrats, I have no idea. But then I never have understood the Democratic strategy of Capitulate to Victory!
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
No permanent bases in Iraq?
The question now becomes how long will we have temporary bases in Iraq. IOW does temporary mean 5 years, ten years or what?
IMO Bo hits the nail on the head.
As Bo says,
the devil's in the details.
I noticed how he's very careful to use "redeploy" rather than "bring(ing) them home."
What troops do leave will only be "redeployed" to Afghanistan, where the Taliban is resurgent due to BushCo's focus on Iraq, and -- to make up for their lack of attention -- the US is now bombing wedding parties and calling them insurgents.
Watch
the talk of Bush pulling out troops in Sept....I bet they will, in time for the election.
Like taking candy from a baby--we don't want more war, they want the votes, the war goes off the table as an issue.
Lessons(?):
1) keep the pressure up ON EVERYONE (including those in the GOP often considered 'not worth talking to because their position is so set')
2) Obama is AGAIN following BEHIND GOP POLICY in his op-ed--note the same shift to Afghanistan, the same limited drawing down of troops--keep up the pressure on OBAMA to BE DIFFERENT, not just follow along.