The United Nations' chief representative in Gaza, John Ging, has admitted that not only were no shells dropped on the UNRWA school for girls last month, but no one inside the school compound was killed. Three shells fell in the street outside; several people were hurt. But the UN forbade a teacher on the site from telling media representatives no one was killed, the Australian reports, and the worldwide press took up an anti-Israel cry of "War Crimes" in the immediate aftermath. Quoting The Globe and Mail, the downunder news site clarifies thusly:
Beware the mass media, folks. It tells you what it wants you to hear, whether that resembles the truth at all or not.In fact, as Patrick Martin reports in Canada's The Globe and Mail on January 29, 2009, Ging of UNRWA knew all along there was no attack on the school but didn't set the record straight:
MOST people remember the headlines: "Massacre of Innocents as UN School is Shelled; Israeli Strike Kills Dozens at UN School."
They heralded the tragic news of Jan 6, when mortar shells fired by advancing Israeli forces killed 43 civilians in the Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. The victims, it was reported, had taken refuge inside the Ibn Rushd Preparatory School for Boys, a facility run by the UN Relief and Works Agency. There was just one problem:
The teacher (who witnessed the shelling and), who refused to give his name because he said UNRWA had told the staff not to talk to the news media, was adamant: "Inside (the compound) there were 12 injured, but there were no dead."
John Ging, UNRWA's operations director in Gaza, acknowledged in an interview this week that all three Israeli mortar shells landed outside the school and that "no one was killed in the school".
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Be reasonable, Sarah
Can we afford the luxury of news that's unsupportive of the prevailing lefty wisdom?
This is how it works on "our side" these days:
Unfortunately, the world isn't as perfect as Bob would like it to be and the Dems cannot afford the luxury of condemning the press when it specious arguements accidently benefit us (something that happens once or twice a decade).
Well, not being one of Somerby's disciples,
I only wanted to point out that the M$M is burying a story: its dishonesty.
(This is not news. This goes back at least as far as the "story" about Bill Clinton's haircut shutting down LAX.)
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
Nothing new under the sun
UNRWA was always a partner of Hamas in Gaza.
Such stories are not new and don't die when the truth comes out.
The following is a Wikipedia piece
The Battle of Jenin took place from April 3 to April 11, 2002 in the Palestinian Authority administered refugee camp of Jenin, in the West Bank. The battle was fought between the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Palestinian forces as part of Operation Defensive Shield, during the Second Intifada.
As part of the operation, which involved incursions into West Bank cities and towns, Israel targeted the refugee camp of Jenin, after it deemed that the camp had "served as a launch site for numerous terrorist attacks against both Israeli civilians and Israeli towns and villages in the area".[3]
During the fighting, rumors of a massacre circulated.[4] While Jenin remained sealed during the invasion, stories of civilians being buried alive in their homes as they were demolished, and of smoldering buildings covering crushed bodies, spread throughout the Arab world. A large area in the camp was destroyed as a result of the fighting but subsequent investigations found no evidence to substantiate claims of a massacre. The final death toll was 52 to 56 Palestinians, of whom 5-26 may have been civilians. 23 IDF soldiers were also killed in the fighting.
After the truth came out there was a Palestinian movie about events that didn't happen.
KoshemBos
It's a good thing only 12 were injured
Although no one is saying how badly. It's an even better thing that no one died (including subsequently of injuries?).
Now we can only hope they can debunk this Jan. 27 story from McClatchy because it would be wonderful if it was untrue:
Wouldn't it be nice if that hadn't happened and it was only that damn media again?
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Oh, you mean the mass media...
...that continuously pretends that Israel liberated the Gaza Strip? That is still under siege?
Be serious, one swallow does not make a summer. Israel is still a colonial state, and its shelling of Gaza still a crime more monstrous than any number of homemade Gaza rockets.
The media pretends no such thing.
The media does pretend that the I/P conflict is the only source of bloodshed in the world.
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
The I/P conflict...
...is necessarily the central conflict of our times and the one in which a false move too far will lead to WW III. It puts together oil, colonialism, insurgency, religion, and justice in an explosive mix. Maintaining the status quo just on the edge requires a massive propaganda effort.
The mass media is and has always been massively Israel-biased. The West and Western media loves to fetishize and objectify Arabs and Muslims, and the West has a (honestly acquired) guilt complex about Jews, and there are a lot of vested interests involve that don't necessarily have Israel or Jewish long-term best interests at heart.
"necessarily the central conflict of our times"
Ahhhhhhh yessssssss....some jokes just write themselves.
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
It's not the area...
...it's the location, time, and politics. Israel was founded on Arab land by Europeans when direct colonial rule of any number of places was ending, and in particular in the Arab world. It was founded as a Western output in a place that has been strategically important for centuries. It may be one square metre, but that doesn't mean that it's not a flashpoint for a world war. Get your head out of the sand.
OK, this one square meter is
"necessarily the contral conflict of our times."
Aren't you ashamed of embarrassing yourself this way?
Again?
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
A square meter...
...or a centimeter or a micrometer or a nanometer can, in fact, be a central flashpoint of our times. It doesn't matter how large or how small it is. Why are you so closed-minded and obsessed with size? It matters where it is, and how many people are affected by it, and who does what to it, when and why.
The Crusader Kingdom of Acre was also very small compared to what surrounded it, and it too was a central flashpoint of its time, for a smaller region. But now we have airplanes and missiles.
It's only a central flashpoint because it's a Jewish homeland.
And everybody goddamn well knows it.
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
Now emergeth the trope
Aaaaaah, yes. The emotional blackmail of anti-Zionism == anti-Semitism.
It is an issue because it is an anachronism, white people supported by America to colonize and dispossess hated/feared/despised Arab and Muslim natives, ever-so-conveniently placed as a foothold to blackmail the local populations into yielding up their resources into Western hands, and never asserting themselves.
I am not white and have no ancestral roots in the West and feel no particular need to give any European minority population the "right" to any sort of homeland whatsoever, particularly outside of Europe and Russia who are the ultimate culprits anyway. Jewish or not. It's flashpoint because it is Muslims and it involves the right of the Muslim world to self-assertion.
This wasn't about you.
It was about the world and one of its structural cognition problems.
And strangely enough, I feel the same way about
as you do about
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
And yes...
...the media nearly unquestioningly uses dishonest Israeli-politician-speak like "disengagement", which wasn't. Making it look like the Palestinians were ingrates rather than siege victims. The terms of the debate are and always have been in Israel's favour in Western media. Basically, Israel's supporters are not happy with anything less than 100% acceptance of the Israeli narrative, when an honest media would report on Israel the way it eventually reported on South Africa back in the day.
which truth is it that you want us to hear?
i'm confused.
i tracked down what looks like the original article, and while the headline is a bit of screamer, the facts reported in the article check out pretty closely with the facts reported in the later 'debunking'.
also, the original article was written during the time when israel was not letting any journalists into gaza, and telephone service was unreliable. given all the handicaps, the 'debunked' article appears to have come amazingly close to the truth.
what it sounds like is that a few hundred palestinians took refuge inside the school building, a building that was surrounded by a wall, and very shortly after they left the building and were in the street just outside the building, the israelis fired 3 missiles into the crowd, killing 40+ people outside the wall and injuring another dozen who were still inside the wall.
so yeah, technically they didn't attack the school building.
from the original article [or at least one written the day after the attack, and bearing the headline in question] --
Department of when Corrente Bloggers are Foily and Double-Ply
This is a highly, highly misleading post, and I'm feeling pretty damn abused for having believed its premise in the first place. Only very careful reading of the sources shows the flaws.
First you write:
But that is not what you link to, you actually link to a site called www.honestreporting.com, which after a minute or two of reading reveals itself as an obvious, and unapologetic Israeli pushback/propoganda site. They even quote former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying the following:
And that statement, according to the Globe and Mail account, is a blatant falsehood (as I quote below).
Even still, I wouldn't have a problem with the source, if it were more than "truthy", unfortunately, on actually reading the piece, it is obvious that only selective, self-exculpatory facts are quoted (as I will go in to below).
Second, even if it had been the right link, does that downunder news site really clarify? Actually, it does the opposite!
Here is the actual quote from the Globe and Mail:
I suppose you could debate whether or not it was and attack "on" the school rather than just "in" the school, since the shells landed right outside the school, in a crowd of people that had just spilled OUT of the school, and the dead students were outside the walls. But The Australian quite cleverly omits that last sentence, and doesn't indicate that it is clipped out. In fact they have a whole block of text pulled from the Globe and Mail, making it look like a continuous quote, but it isn't.
Third, it may be true that, as the Globe and Mail puts forth, that "There was just one problem: The story, as etched in people's minds, was not quite accurate. ". There is a difference between what is "etched in minds" and what the actual parties said though. And I haven't seen anywhere that (UNRWA's) Ging needed to "set any record straight", he said from the first that no one inside the school was killed, he never said mortars landed in the school (even though shrapnel from them did), he said (as noted in the Globe and Mail), that there were no Hamas gunmen in the school. And that was true, he said it in response to a false claim by the Israeli Army that they were shooting at gunmen in the school. A claim they later moonwalked away from. There isn't anything that he said that was not true, and the Globe and Mail basically agrees.
I know, how about if I provide a relevant, unbroken quote from the Globe and Mail story?
There, I think that "clarifies" a little better, and maybe he has a point quibling the difference between shrapnel hitting the school is misleading compared to the actual "mortar" hitting inside the school. It is important to split hairs, I'm sure it makes all the difference in the world to the dead rotting in their graves and to the families that mourn them.
Update: You also say this:
And that really contributes to the truthiness, first, the UN didn't want anybody speaking to the press PERIOD (possibly because that is how unfounded rumors can spread?), second, you make it sound like "no one was killed", well, they WERE killed, only right outside the school. Your breathless post makes no note of the fact that 42 civilians were killed that day.
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Thanks...
...to Hipparchia and herb for clearing this up.
Ah yes -- clearing it up as in making it ok to blame Israel
again.
I tire of trying to overcome the anti-Israel bias in worldwide media.
I tire of reading the propaganda anointing the Palestinians as innocent lambs and tarring the Israelis as aggressive war criminals.
No, I don't thank any of you for your arguments. I don't thank you for your distortions.
And furthermore I don't believe you have anything worthwhile to say on this subject because you are all -- herb the verb, hipparchia, mandos, all three of you -- anti-Israel.
So I will stop paying attention to your spewings. But when I find indications that the press has in fact misreported, misdirected, or lied in an effort to whip up the biased and unthinking toward a march to drive Israel into the sea at the behest of Iran and bin Laden, I will post my findings.
Because whether or not you choose to see it, the truth about corruption in Gaza is out there.
A one-state solution is no solution at all.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
I'm not anti-Israel, I'm anti-bullshit
There is a difference.
I agreed they didn't fire into the school, that doesn't mean they have an automatic pass on firing on a crowd of civilians right outside of it, which killed 42 people. Do you think that is settled? Seriously? Because some news reports didn't quite have the specific facts right?
That also doesn't mean they have an automatic pass on other allegations, or even this allegation.
Let's wait for the result of investigations before we get all hyperventilated.
I've never commented on Hamas or Gaza corruption, or said that Palestinians have never done anything wrong. Maybe someone else has, but don't accuse me of that because I haven't ever done it.
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anti-israel? me?
short answer: yes, i am.
the longer answer doesn't really matter.
I try to not confuse the Israeli government and its actions with
the Israeli people and the Israeli nation.
I hoped that others were doing the same when the president of my country, the US, was committing war crimes and making illegal wars. When even many Dems supported these illegal actions. I really hoped the rest of the world understood that BushCo did not act in my name.
I and others like me were essentailly ignored by the MCM or made fun of, our numbers in marches and protests ignored, misreported, or trivialized.
So, it is possible to criticize the actions of a government without being "anti-Nation X."
Right?
No, not in Sarah's world anyway
It is not possible to criticize a government's action in a fair way without hating its people and wanting to march them into the sea, helping Iran and Osama Bin Laden.
So leave Bush and his war crimes alone, or rather, why do you hate America?
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Project much, Herb the Verb?
'cause if you'll go back and look you'll find that I've often written the exact opposite of your inference -- or rather, your slur -- above.
But at this moment in time the Israeli government -- and the IDF -- having unilaterally declared a cease-fire and withdrawn, STILL ISN'T ENOUGH for Hamas. Still isn't enough for Fatah. Still isn't enough for the PLO or the Palestinian president NPR carried live today.
Nothing will ever be enough as long as there's a Jewish homeland left, because it will always be painted as Zion.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
Siege
The unilateral ceasefire is a sham. It still doesn't recognize that Hamas won the elections. Just like the so-called disengagement. Israel will never treat the aboriginals as equals.
Because it was in its entirety built on someone else's land. Now a two-state solution might have been possible if it hadn't chosen to break ground on the first West Bank settlement after 1967. That political choice has led to a one-state solution. Israel made the bed in which it will now lie. It still refuses even to talk about the Saudi plan.
So if we declare a ceasefire and withdraw from Iraq
then we can sweep Bush's crimes under the rug? Is that really the logic here?
I don't know what will be enough for Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, or the Palestinian president, or the Palestinian people. That is a red herring in this conversation and this post, which started with you misleadingly (and prematurely) absolving the Israeli military in this incident, using mislabelled links and misleadingly clipped quotes to make it looked like nothing whatsoever even happened, rather than that some of the slight details were mistaken in the public mind.
For the record, I would like it if Palestinians (whichever group they belong to) would stop shooting rockets into Israel and stop shooting innocent Israeli civilians (as if that absolves Israel for any potential war-crimes). I also would like it if Israel would end the blockade and seige of Gaza, and I would like it if Israel would stop killing civilians. But I'm sure that combining these desires makes me "anti-Israel" to you. Whatever.
There is nothing wrong with defending Israel's actions if they are defensible, and you can do it honestly. Mileage varies whether either applies to your post.
Again, how about if we wait for the investigations of these incidents to play out before we start hyperventilating and planting the Victory (or Victim) flag?
"My country, right or wrong. When right, kept right. When wrong, made right." It would be nice if this applied everywhere, wouldn't it?
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One-state solution
A one-state solution is the solution that Israel has chosen for itself. It is only in Western media that anyone seriously believes that Israel (as in, its government and policy-makers) has ever wanted a two-state solution.
I mean, the Saudi plan has been on the table for a while now. You know, normalized relations and all. Everything that Israel has ostensibly asked for. Ostensibly. Your propaganda, Sarah, doesn't do it here.
Xinhua?
That article was anti-Israel bias??? Come on. It was at best a neutral POV from Xinhua.
Naturally, the non-white-European world is not going to buy Israeli hasbara as easily as guilt-ridden Westerners. It's kind of hard to dredge up sympathy for European settler colonialism in this day and age in ex-colonies.
And, oooh...
...Iran, booga booga!!!