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It's after 5:00 EDT on a Friday -- Shouldn't we know the VP choice now?

Biden. The tell was the trip to Georgia, in retrospect. Somehow, when I think of Biden, I don't think of ponies, but at least Biden doesn't move the Ds from 2% less evil to 1%, say. (I still want to know what was with the Obama-Bayh bumper-stickers, though. Maybe they'll show up on eBay?) The Times:

He is also, at least arguably, a Washington insider, having worked there for so long, though he still commutes home to Wilmington every night by train.

I think that's an "argument" the affirmative side would win rather easily. But I love the way "change" is right over Biden's shoulder in the new print ads.

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The Secret Service has been dispatched to Biden's home in DE, says Jake Tapper. Biden voted for the AUMF, just like Hillary; cue the doublethink. Unless this is just another headfake, of course.

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Not Hillary. Good. I wouldn't want her to have to defend this.

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Apparently, Bayh and Kaine are both out, at least according to MSNBC (hat tip, amberglow). CNN says tomorrow morning (hat tip, FrenchDoc). Damn, and I had my Unity Pony's stall all ready. Plus the comb for its mane and the ribbons for its tail. How will I be able to sleep?????????????????????

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Well, I imagine the Olympics or something else are on the teebee now, so I guess the text message we're "waiting for" will come as a wake-up call--which would preclude both Biden and Bayh, and that's good news.

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17269047_240X1806:15PM EDT via KMBC, Kansas City:

After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.
KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material. That's Bayh as in U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa. [ NBC says Gill is a "shop", implying Gill is a small operation, but they're not small; see the photo of the plant.] The Obama campaign had said it would make the announcement by text message on Friday.
Gill Studios, would not confirm information about the material. They would not deny it either. The company president would not comment when asked by Mahoney about the reports. But at least three sources close to the plant's operations reported the Obama-Bayh material was being produced.

Thing is, it's in the wrong font; it's not Gotham. And where's the hopey-changey soft porn look? Anyhow, something. Via Drudge, bien sur, though I did have to find the link. Nothing on Cheetopia*, still pre-occupied with the housing circlejerk, or from WKJM -- who's home waiting for the call, teh funny.

Meanwhile, Obama's plane has not been repainted with the VP's name on it.

IMG_6845-thumb-500x375 UPDATE Check this DNC marketing collateral for Denver. The O-like zero, the stacked-O 8, and the star motif resemble the bumper sticker above, as does the serifed (i.e., not Gothic) font; the M in both looks the same to me; although the O does not. (Image from Lynn Sweet. And gawd help me, I'm writing about fonts. Again.

So -- speculating freely, and indeed, why not -- I wonder if these are bumper stickers for Denver only. And since, therefore, the press run would be rather small, it would be worth asking if there are other bumper stickers in reserve: The Obama/Kaine sticker, the Obama/Sibelius sticker, the Obama/Biden sticker. If the press run was small enough, the conservative play would be to print up the shortlist for Denver only, so as to guarantee the availability of the right one; and discard the rest.

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Or have the fundraisers not met projections yet?

I've gotta play the same video that BTD did; the one-note guitar solo is is especially appropriate:

NOTE * Actually, there's a Cheetopian diary though, to be fair, not on the rec list:

So... Obama-Bayh stickers are being printed... in Kansas City... and three whole people close to the plant's operations are named as sources! It must be true! ...

Wes Isley is privy to an email that reveals Obama-Biden tee-shirts are about to go on sale!

The Greensboro Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transvestite for Obama group claims that the Senator from Delaware is the one to have his name beneath Obama's on the coveted logo that we'll see hundreds of times every day for the next two months.

Ha ha! Teh funny! Joe Biden is so gay!

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Submitted by BDBlue on

I would like to say now that if it is Biden or Bayh, it will make it perfectly clear that all of the handwringing over Hillary's AUMF vote by the Blogger Boyz (who will no doubt forgive Obama instantly for whomever he picks) was largely manufactured bullshit. That's especially true if it's Bayh, who was one of the primary movers behind the AUMF (along with Obama consigliere Daschle). The AUMF makes Hillary unfit for the presidency, but Bayh or Biden are just fine for the Veep selection. Riiight.

Of course men are supposed to want to go to war so guys like Josh Marshall and Matt Yglesias can give themselves and the VP nominee a pass. Women's role however is to save men from doing stupid shit and so it's all Hillary's fault.

For my own part, I don't know who I hope it is, almost every leaked name has sucked. I will be impressed if it's Clinton, Feingold, Clark or someone else with their own power base and who is to the left of Richard Nixon. I will not be if it's one of the bland boys being bandied about the past few days.

FWIW, a Talk Left commenter noted that if you type in www.obamabayh.com you get forwarded to Obama's website(for an unfound page that's url includes "meet evan"). I tried it with www.obamabiden.com and got nothing.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

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Via another TL commenter, while obamabiden doesn't take you to it, http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_jo... exists. Don't know if others do as well and no time to find out.

You're right, lambert, that's totally the wrong font. It's hideously ugly and the Obama campaign is better than that.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

Submitted by lambert on

... that's what they had to do immediately, and then they'll improve it later.

It could be misdirection, since Obama has more money than God, but really, what's the point?

Who knows? I wanna be sedated.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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It's actually pretty easy and I don't know a whole lotta HTML. Heck, I can set up a site GQandBarryO.com and have it forward to Obama's site. Doesn't mean I'm the running mate.

Just sayin'.

Only tyrants rig elections.

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Why blow a gasket over something you cannot control? We'll all get the word - maybe that should be The Word - within minutes of each other and that will be that; however bad the pick, if it is just someone who hasn't had electroshock treatments or recently been fucking around then I'll be pleased.

I recommend three fingers of your favorite distilled alcoholic beverage consumed all in one draught, and a general diminishment of expectations. All I hope for from Obama/Whomever is no new stupid wars and that both of them can properly pronounce "nuclear"; anything more than that is gravy.

For instance, how's the painting going?

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By Obama's own admission, he's not against all wars.

Only tyrants rig elections.

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The worst part is: I'm a pessimist.

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I'm super optimistic. Cynical, yes, but extremely optimistic. But folks like Senor "McCain is evil and you are childish if you don't support Obama even if you find the illegitimacy of his nomination to be extremely dangerous to democracy" have really cut into my optimism.

Only tyrants rig elections.

Submitted by lambert on

And so I feel a duty to cover it. Especially when the rest of the blogosphere is writing about McCain's house.

I mean, I'm all for a sane housing policy, but it's dull, dull, dull.

NOTE "Blow a gasket?" My friends, you've seen me blow a gasket, and this post is not blowing a gasket.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by bringiton on

because the post-blown-gasket recommendations are always, well, too little too late.

Not to hijack the thread but why not, everyone else does it: the missed larger story on the McCain/house saga, and the one Obama is prepping for by pushing this, is that McCain is giving the appearance of being in the early stages of dementia. For someone who has been at this for a long time he makes a lot of little mistakes. He's started to slur his words a bit, and his memory is only intermittently sharp. He doesn't have Reagan's professional acting skills, so he doesn't know how to fall back on scripted answers and ends up sounding awkward. I Am Not A Doctor, but McCain looks to me to be having some mental health problems.

Of interest, I think, and I'll have to look for the citation but I read it just the other day, supposedly the campaign team has kicked all the reporters off the bus when McCain uses it and has seriously restricted his time wandering about on the plane. Too many gaffes, and too many times with him standing there with a blank stare while he searches the memory banks for something to say.

I know you all say that ageism is a mistake, but I think McCain is very vulnerable in that regard and Obama would be a fool to not play against it. The greater populace is looking for a Leader, someone they feel they can trust, and that's why McCain is attacking Obama's patriotism while being all hawkish on just about every other country on the planet. For Obama to repel that he needs to both move towards a hawkish position vis-a-vis some conflicts (Afghanistan is handy) and also cast doubt on McCain's leadership ability. Puting it up that McCain is going soft in the head, dazed and confused, can't remember how many houses he has, is one way to do that.

The other is to get under his skin and get him to lose his temper; watch for Obama in their debates to try and jab at McCain where he can't control himself; wife Cindy and her ownership of the money is #1 of those places, thus the need to set up the house issue as something important that can later be brought out in debate.

The "how many houses" tack accomplishes at least three things: points McCain out as a real elitist, a rich out-of-touch snob; suggests oh-so-subtly that he's losing his mind; and sets up a jab to the ego for use at a later time, in hopes of getting McCain to lose control on national TV. That's why the Obama campaign jumped on it.

Speaking of gaskets blown, I was looking for something the other day and re-read the Ashley/ringtones comment thread; ah, those were the days, such simple clarity.

Submitted by lambert on

... should certainly work in the general. Why wouldn't it? And no, I'm not a child. I saw this coming from a mile off. See for example:

[JEDREPORT] I do hope people don’t stereotype him just because he’s old and senile. Maybe he shouldn’t run because the last thing the elderly in this country need is the triggering of ugly stereotypes about their bowel habits. They already suffer from enough incontinence.

Atrios-endorsed, too.

How progressive! And so obviously different from the Republicans. Just the party faction I trust not to privatize Social Security, too.

What a discouraging comment. Frankly, if Americans want a "Leader" -- I note the cap L -- and think Obama is the one, that's the best argument I can think of for McCain. Ick.

NOTE +1 on Ashley. Say, I wonder who she's voting for.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by oceansandmountains on

sounds pretty unrealistic. His performance in the initial Democratic debates put me off him from the get-go (it was the racist smears and sexist crap that pushed me into the "never-voting-for-that-assclown" column for good). Perhaps he hasn't yet noticed, but "what she said" will not be available for him to use when asked about policies, just as "me too" will not be available when questioned about his suitability for the White House.

Obama's debating skillz are minimal at best, which is very sad for us lawyers to see. Obama will be lucky to formulate one coherent, grammatically correct and logically concise statement in any debate. The idea Obama will somehow actually put McCain on the defensive, much less trigger some damaging behavior from McCain, is really really reaching.

I find the "let's mock McCain because he's old" approach as stupid as "let's piss all over half the Democratic party" approach. Seniors are the most reliable voting bloc in the country. Why fuck with them???

Diagnosis of McCain as suffering from a mental condition is a dangerous game. Regardless of policy affiliation, age or experience, I can only imagine how completely draining it must be to run for president. Every candidate has those times of hitting the wall mentally. Obama has his own laundry list of stupid things he's said. Fortunately for him, the media fanboys are still so in the mode of fellating him 24/7 Obama's gaffes don't get through and aren't allowed any traction if they do. Obama's gaffes would raise questions regarding his memory, which are far more troublesome considering his relative youth. I don't think it's a winning issue for either side.

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Because, you know, truthiness even when it comes to a rumor regarding a presidential rival is bad.

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Obama was chosen in an illegitimate process and as such is illegitimate. To me, it doesn't matter who he choses. When a corrupt and illegitimate process is accepted because candidate M has bad policies, well, then we're in for some really dark times. The process was what we hold special. But that's out the window, apparently. And those of us who want to hold onto the sanctity of the process (even with it's money distortions) are called children and told to get over it in very condescending ways over and over again.

Only tyrants rig elections.

Submitted by katiebird (not verified) on

He can pick up the bumper stickers himself while he's here.

Actually, if these were actual campaign bumper stickers wouldn't the campaign have asked the printer to sign a confidentiality agreement?

Submitted by lambert on

... has a source on the pressroom floor. The officials aren't confirming anything. Good point on the confidentiality agreement, but perhaps social engineering was in play.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Davidson on

But why would he want someone "Bush/Cheney-lite" to be a heartbeat away from the presidency or as his top advisor? Especially when he deemed everyone and their mother who supported AUMF unacceptable for the presidency during the primary? What does that say about his celebrated "judgment?"

If this was anyone else, I'd say the media would have a field day with that, especially since HRC is so obviously the ultimate choice it's absurd and it makes it more clear that gender played a determining factor. But since it's The Village Choice, scrutiny will be muted, at best.

The media will decide this election (again). Although the public has grown increasingly immune to the media's hit pieces, it's still hugely powerful in its ability to determine what the public is ignorant of (e.g., HRC and nomination process). Assumptions are powerful.

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Submitted by snow-moon on

if they have a sense of humor.

I can imagine a recorded 3am conversation between Obama & Clinton--sent to everyone's voice mail in the wee hours. (I'll let the rest of you write the dialogue).

I'll start:

Barack: "Hillary? Barack. You awake?"

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Question is would that be EDT (D.C.) or CDT (Springfield)?

It could happen Saturday morning (tonight) or Sunday 3am. Remember the Olympics closing ceremony begins at 8am EDT Sunday (China time -live on the Internet) and Obama has taken care not to step on the Olympics coverage (vacation in Hawaii during the opening ceremony).

So kids, put those iPhones and Blackberries under your pillows starting tonight.

And be ready for the call.

If I'm right- I get the pony of my choice.

Submitted by hipparchia on

that's truly inspired, snow-moon, and you brightened my evening considerably. here, have as many ponies as you want.

Submitted by lambert on

Just shoot me.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

Barack Obama is grinning ear-to-ear, beside himself with mirth, that everyone is thinking about what he's going to do. You don't need to be a psychic to know he eats this shit up with a spoon.

Who will his vice president be? Quite frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn. Now, someone kill me, now, for channeling the spirit of Suze Orman.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by snow-moon on

does Suze Orman have, you think?

(sorry)

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I don't see the the messages conveyed in the Obama ads as being about McCain's age.

McCain has gotten so many basic facts wrong- throughout the campaign: geopolitical facts, personal information, voting records (his own), whether or not he supported or didn't support Bush on one or another program.

I just don't think he has much depth or is well-informed about current events in the world- on nearly every subject.

Which means his advisors would be calling all the shots.

After at least one term of a president with early stage dementia (Reagan's second) and eight years with a complete fool running the country, I think it's fair to question anyone's fitness-- intellectually and emotionally-- to handle the complexities and pressures of the job!

McCain's demeanor (and intellect) probably hasn't changed much over the years-- wasn't he at the bottom of his class at West Point?

I'm just not seeing "age" as the issue being addressed by the Obama team- as much as incompetence.

Except for the POW episode-- the rest of his life has been all about good connections, luck, personal charm, and an ability to hide his mean-spirited nature from the general public.

"my friends"

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that when John Edwards was in the Senate- that he and Bayh were running partners?

They were quite the cute little junior senator couple (as I recall.)

I'd say that would put him in the negative column. Not to mention that he comes across as slightly sedated when he speaks (in keeping with the theme of the thread.) He puts me to sleep. If that's the "big news"- it's all uphill from here.

as for the other "B"

I can't stand Joe Biden. Standing up for the middle class? Which one? Maybe John McCain's middle class. THANKS FOR THE BANKRUPTCY BILL, JOE!

I say we move to the C's.

Clinton ?
Clark ?

Submitted by lambert on

Dick Cheney.

Best way I can think of to demonstrate serious post-partisanship.

Plus, he'll challenge Obama, is ready for the Presidency, and so on.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

I also didn't read into the issue to have anything to do with age. I've heard that theory mentioned once, already, before I got here, and I'm wondering if the theory is not just something that was parroted in the MSM or liberal blogosphere, today, and then went viral? Because, I don't see how your average viewer could read something like that into the coverage of the "issue."

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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He'd have to exume and reanimate the corpse of Strom Thurmond. That, or get the next best thing: Robert Byrd.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by snow-moon on

and there's the whole continuity of government thing that Cheney's been working on for the last 20 years.

(Who knows where all the undisclosed locations are but Dick? I'm sure he'll hang around no matter who's elected- concocting evil plans in his many secret lairs.)

Now Mary Cheney might be an interesting choice- if her cyborg dad stops functioning.

Republican, gay, mother- and with an invisible wife!

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Submitted by snow-moon on

for the ponies hipparchia!

I just channeled a 10 year old girl when I opened the picture.

ohhhhhhhhhhhh!

and east coast ponies at that!

:)

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Gore destroyed Bush in their debates, he mopped the floor with Bush

all to no effect

debates are important, but not as important as Democrats think

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Submitted by bringiton on

The main attacks on McCain's mental status will come from surrogates, but the MSM is interested too. Every progressive's favorite KO spent about five minutes on McCain's mental health tonight, and while he started out treating it as a joke, he soon got serious and kept asking if this could be hurtful.

Poking around a bit, I see that Bob Cesca is having ago at the topic (warning, HuffPo link).

Then there is this site, dedicated to documentation of McCain's mental slippage and featuring a prediction in the old man's own words:

"Well, in 2004, I expect to be campaigning for the reelection of President George W. Bush, and by 2008, I think I might be ready to go down to the old soldiers' home and await the cavalry charge there."
- John McCain, August, 2000

He should know.

Sorry, Lambert; I simply cannot get into the Veepstakes. Although, there is a rumor being floated out of the Time office [another HuffPo link] that McCain will pick Romney. If true, it will hand the election to Obama on a platter. Most Christianist evangelicals would rather die than vote for a Mormon.

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But people do need to read about it, so here I am.

I'm so looking forward to the general. Six months of hatred for women, followed by six months of hate for the old. What an enchanting prospect. The only redeeming feature is that the end result will be a mandate for progressive policies. As long as they let me carry my dogfood with me onto the ice floes, I'l be fine...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Forgetting the number of states, forgetting the name of the city he's in, forgetting that his nuclear legislation didn't even go to a floor vote, forgetting that Samantha Power went to Europe to say that his Iraq plan won't be valid when he would be in office, . . . Do I need to go on? But feel free, BIO, to tell us AGAIN how scary McCain is without addressing our Obama concerns--its not like that got old long, long ago.

The hosue dealie was about elitism, not age or competence. It was trying to play off McCain's how rich is rich comment. Obama already has an older voter problem and wouldn't jeopardize his chances by intentionally alienating a key constituency. Oh wait, he is that absurd.

Only tyrants rig elections.

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Submitted by Damon on

Don't forget that Kerry made Bush look like a petulant, little child in their debates. Even Bush supporters knew he got beat.

Yeah, debates don't matter much. But, they sure as hell won't help Obama. Obama will be lucky if he draws McCain to a tie. Obama's debating talents are minimal, at best, and I'm not saying that as a hater, it's simply not his strong suit. For whatever McCain lacks in arena speeches, he kills in townhalls, and does above-average in debates.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

in order to prove that she really supports BO, HRC should debate in his place. He sucks at it whereas she's very good. Heck, at this point, she's even supposed to win the election for him.

Go Global!

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Yes, let her run in his place as a surrogate candidate, and then he can simply take office next January.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Hi folks, do y'all know Clinton never got vetted at all. Not one piece of info was requested by Kennedy or Holder. July 25th, Obama said she'd be on anyones short list...never vetted!!!

Seems many things going on around Biden's hometown. Obama/Biden 08. Two senators, Obama's trying to barrow Biden's gravitas. Neither one has managed anything, no executive experience. Pardon me folks, this plane won't fly too well. Just two legislators, nothing new here.........

BZZZZ, excuse me my crackberry just went off........

peter

Submitted by hipparchia on

she's the most thoroughly vetted candidate in the entire race, whether we're talking about either president or vp.

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test of pb 1.0? Haven't they all been against him in big ways?

Biden: in Congress since Nixon (1972), Anita Hill, MBNA, tiny state, voted for the war, said this about Obama: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy...I mean, that's a storybook, man." (Note: storybook okay; fairytale bad. Also, the above comment is not racist, Bill comparing Obama to his friend Jesse Jackson is racist.) Matching plagarism stories with Obama/Patrick/Axelrod and Biden/Kinnock (though it has seemed a shame that that mistake kept Biden out of the race.) A recognition of Obama's foreign policy inexperience (did the trip overseas help this insight?)--meant to reassure--will it backfire with the hope/change crowd? But perhaps Obama just took Brooks's advice yesterday.

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Submitted by snow-moon on

Isn't Hillary's entire life an open book at this point? (Actually there IS a book.)

Why would any committee spend any time at all "vetting" her? I'd think they would already have enough information to make a decision without conducting formal interviews.

So to say she hasn't been vetted by the committee reveals nothing.

(Obama & Clinton have been meeting backstage after debates for nearly two years now- it was in all the papers!)

.... holding out for my 3am call.

(BIDEN: the credit industry's best friend; Just SAY NO TO USURY!)

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Submitted by Damon on

It's not that she obviously hasn't been vetted, informally, but that she has need been extended the common courtesies and pleasantries of the formal and traditional vetting process.

I really couldn't care less about her having not been formally vetted, as I don't want her to be his (or anyone elses) vice president. But, I can understand other's concerns in affording her these types of political traditions, and there seems to be a pattern of this (i.e. being forced to give her a roll call, placing her name in nomination, etc.).

I don't care about the process, because I want Obama's campaign to be revealed for what it is. But, many are concerned about the kabuki, and I'd say rightfully so.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by Damon on

While we're talking about vice presidential politics, I wonder how much money Caroline Kennedy, Patti Solis-Doyle, and the invisible man (I don't even know who else he picked) are being paid for this, and if the women were ultimately allowed by the campaign to make any real and meaingful decisions as to who was chosen? I only ask because of how little the campaign seems to care for women.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by Damon on

So much for change. *gag* Really, is he asking to lose this election, because I think he just did.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/...

"...The Chair of the Senate Banking Committee, Sen Chris Dodd, has described the Bush-Biden bankruptcy bill as one of the worst laws EVER passed by Congress. It has been an unmitigated disaster. It shifted the risk for engaging in predatory lending practices from greedy lenders to hapless borrowers. This, it contributed mightily to the current economic meltdown.

At a time when our economy is reeling, and the nation desperately needs to restore consumer protections, not further decimate them, adding Biden to the ticket would be totally the wrong choice. It would blur the clear distinction between McCain, who sided with irresponsible lenders, and Obama, who sided with us. ..."

Submitted by lambert on

Of course, for the hoi polloi, simple hatred of the old will suffice, but for the sophisticated, I think the spin will be that it isn't McCain's age per se, but some sort of medical condition that Biden doesn't have.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

Kos is going to spin this ten ways 'till Sunday. That is, if this is not the ultimate head-fake.

Between Biden and Obama, they may be able to plaigerize enough speeches to make a pretty convincing one at the upcoming Democratic National Convention.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by Davidson on

See?! All one has to do is say, "I was wrong" and then the fanboys will forgive you. Exception: if you're Hillary Clinton; such an apology would have only been seen as proof of her "calculating" ways, horrible judgment, and murderous recklessness with human life (see: HRC being an accessory to the slaying of Bhutto via AUMF).

In all seriousness, I can't help but think that others didn't want to be his VP and Obama only had runts of the litter to choose from. I mean, Biden? C'mon. The whole point of the VP pick is to do no harm and Biden just by his existence totally undermines the Obama "Change you can believe in" narrative, what Axelrod himself said would be necessary for Obama to win because he can't win as a "conventional" candidate (e.g., experience, achievements, issues).

I know many think that post-Cheney, the VP pick will be a significant factor in the GE but I don't see how the positives of a VP will influence how people choose the top of the ticket. Still, even if Obama thought it could, why the hell didn't he focus on the economy, the winning issue, instead of foreign policy? Biden does not have any image of being competent in economic matters, let alone being a working class hero (see: bankruptcy bill). This is why I keep thinking Obama was turned down by those he wanted.

Submitted by lambert on

The election is no longer about hope and change; that is so over.

No, the election is a grind-it-out affair where every vote counts, especially those of authoritarian followers like evangelicals and especially not what used to be the base.

It's all so simple!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by vastleft on

The good news is that he and Obama can tag-team the shaming of Democrats for not being faithy enough.

The bad news is it'll get a little more awkward for the Obama camp to get their nose of joint about the "elitism" charge.

Biden on Bill Maher's "Real Time" in 2006:

I think the problem with a lot of elites in the Democratic party, quite frankly, is they communicate they don't respect people's faith.

Submitted by hipparchia on

i dunno, any day that gets celebrated with fireworks can't be all bad.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

but when you have said that, you have said everything.

except for the Patriot Act, Biden has been pretty good on Habeus Corpus, better than Feingold.

Submitted by Randall Kohn on

Same Old Joe Biden. Ya gotta love it.

"You'd better get this straight. Wise up before it's too late." -- Sister Sledge

JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do

-- Philly Cream

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Submitted by snow-moon on

interesting

Biden wrote the legislation that created the position of a national "Drug Czar", and his Anti-Drug Proliferation Act provides 20-year prison sentences for club owners, concert promoters, and people who throw parties in their home, if "drug use" takes place in such settings.

Over his long career in politics, Biden's biggest financial supporter has been the giant credit card company MBNA, which was also one of George W. Bush's biggest donors in 2000 and 2004. His son, Hunter Biden, was hired as a management trainee at MBNA straight out of law school, and was quickly promoted to executive vice president. The younger Biden has since left MBNA to establish his own lawyer-and-lobbying firm, but still receives a $100,000 per year consulting fee from the bank, which has since been swallowed by Bank of America. In 2006, Hunter Biden was appointed by President Bush to a five-year term on the Amtrak Reform Board.

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Submitted by amberglow on

and tragic too.

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Submitted by Damon on

Hopefully, with picking of the ultra-white, ultra-established Biden, this will finally end Obama's infamous race-baiting, as he's going to have a much more difficult time making the "they'll try and scare you about me because I'm black" argument.

*(I can't believe I just typed that, as I never thought It'd be the minority candidate race-baiting.)*

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by amberglow on

priceless--

"... "When I heard his comments I thought Joe Biden was referring to a bygone era," said Donna Brazile, the former campaign manager for Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign and a prominent African-American political consultant. "Years ago when white folks referred to black people with education they often used words like articulate. To suggest they were different, they were acceptable. That they were OK as compared to rest of African-Americans. So I think it came across that Joe Biden was referring to Sen. Obama as if he was a candidate running in the 1960s, not in the 21st century."
..." -- http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=...

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Obama, from that same story-- "... Asked about the comments at a press conference this afternoon, Obama said, "you'd have to ask Senator Clinton, uh, Senator Biden what he was thinking," initially stumbling by mentioning the name of the Democratic front-runner for the nomination, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York. ..."

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"... It's a measure of how badly the last month has gone for the once high-flying Obama campaign that they're willing to risk taking on board a shoot-from-the-lip running mate like Biden. And in a race that is growing tighter with every poll, that risk could make a real difference — for better or for worse. ..." -- http://www.time.com/time/politics/articl...

Submitted by lambert on

Via CNN:

[Biden] as chairman of the powerful Judiciary Committee from 1987 to 1995. The contentious Supreme Court nomination hearings of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas took place on Biden's watch.

Good work on Bork. Not so good on Thomas, although in 1995 the Conservatives were more powerful than in 1987 (and Anita Hill was, after all, a woman, and so by definition not credible).

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by amberglow on

he always allows them thru his committee, no matter what and no matter whether they answer questions or not--

his typical shtick is to rant and rave on every channel about how a nominee isn't answering questions and is bad for America, etc, and then he ends by saying "it's the president's choice so i won't stop them or kill the appointment..."

NYT on Bork-- "One of the fiercest battles ever waged over a Supreme Court nominee ended today as the Senate decisively rejected the nomination of Judge Robert H. Bork.

The vote was 58 against confirmation and 42 in favor, the biggest margin by which the Senate has ever rejected a Supreme Court nomination. ..."-- http://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/24/politi...

(it also goes into how Warner abandoned his support--something that hurt Bork far more than any bs from Biden)

I won't even go into how he's done nothing on all the DOJ crimes under Bush.

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Submitted by amberglow on

he talked tough but never actually did anything-- that's what he does all the time....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/... -- Biden: Alito's views may bring filibuster

and of course, nothing happened and he did nothing--

Alito joins high court after 58-42 vote -- http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...

scalia vote-- http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Pjn...

Submitted by gob on

Wolfson gets it dead wrong, AFAIC, in this quote:

The question, Wolfson said, is “whether Joe Biden is willing to go after John McCain.”

These jerks think we're all fools. I don't give a good God-damn if Biden goes after McCain. What might make a difference for me is if either Obama or Biden would stand there the way Hill did and say something like "I will work for you every day," and then explain, in detail, exactly what work they have in mind.

Still pissed.

Policy not party!

We will push and push and push until some larger force makes us stop.

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Submitted by amberglow on

only GOP issues are what matter, of course, tragically--drilling, Iran, tax cuts, faith, spying, terrible trade policy, big banks and wall st, ....

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Submitted by vastleft on

Herbert: "since the primaries, has seemed directionless, uninspired and addicted to the empty calories of generalities."

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Submitted by amberglow on

far more in tune with what people actually want done and far stronger on rights (and not 100% owned by Banks/Credit Cards, but CT, so not at all hostile to them either)

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Submitted by Truth Partisan on

Some progressive activists here are calling (me anyway) after months of silence and telling me why Biden's a good pick and answers the concerns of those of us silly enough to think that a presidential candidate should be experienced.
First call's closing line: "Hillary's brilliant. In a perfect world, Hillary would be my dream for the Supreme Court."
This call was from someone who viciously criticized Hillary (on her abilities) and viciously criticized her supporters to my face as a known Hillary supporter and then said to me that Hillary "had her eye in the mirror" and was "so vain she wouldn't drop out of the race."
Is this the new bribe to Hillary supporters? "Sorry we couldn't treat her respectfully as a presidential candidate, tried to block her at the convention and then didn't even pretend to really vet her, but now she's great and should be on the Supreme Court." Hmmm, wait for it: "in a perfect world." That means it's not even a promise to try.

Submitted by lambert on

Joe Biden isn't a bitch!

[rimshot, laughter]

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by lambert on

... that the Obama campaign doesn't think they can control Bill Clinton, but Joe Biden isn't exactly renowned for message discipline (unless the issue with "can't control" is a veiled sexual innuendo, of course).

Gad. I suppose Biden's the best choice, given that I don't want Hillary anywhere near this, or having to defend it in any way. I mean, who else is better that was ever in the running? Kaine and Bayh both would have been worse.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by snow-moon on

My global conspiracy tendencies are surfacing again.

thinking/writing out loud:

1) Karl Rove goes to Georgia just before the Russian "invasion" (a reaction to provocation?) with an advance team (Condi and the gang).

2) John Edwards is thoroughly discredited-- as is the war on poverty theme for this campaign season.

3) Russia invades Georgia! (Iran! Afghanistan! Pakistan! oh my!)

4) McCain's Team (with Lieberman and Co.) travels to Georgia (Is Rove still there?)

5) Biden is invited to Georgia-- some say for the Senate; some say to keep an eye on McCain-- for Obama; some say he's been invited by Saakashvili.

6) Fast forward to 3AM last night: BIDEN! (wtf? we all say...)

7) The conversations-- on television and in print-- shift from poverty (bye-bye John Edwards- sorry about the National Enquirer thing) from fighting for the middle class (see ya Hilary!) to Foreign Policy and the dangerous, fearful world we live in, which needs leaders with strong foreign policy experience.

Just watch today on CNN!

I suspect that global strategists have been more than a little worried about the upcoming U.S. election-- and wanted to ensure that no matter what the outcome of this election, there must be at least one Hawk on the Executive team. McCain's team? No problem-- McCain's over the top.

But Obama! That would require some engineering: a Cheney/Bush configuration: a powerful behind-the-scenes commander-in-chief-by-proxy who can deal with the Pentagon while Obama smiles for the camera. (While Biden's not EVIL like Cheney, he does tend to be gung-ho when it comes to war funding and invasions and serving powerful interests. And like Cheney, Biden could never get himself elected to the number one slot; so the VP slot is his ticket-- entering through the back door-- without having to survive the full two year primary season of bad press and public scrutiny.)

Obama can continue to rally the youth, get out the vote, raise more money, and making crowd-pleasing speeches. Potentially, he might even be good at diplomacy at some point (His goodwill world tour was a first foray into meeting with world leaders and posing for international press-- appearing presidential.)

The unanswered question- has Obama known all along that this was how it would play out? Or did he really believe that he would inherit the power to change the way things are done in Washington? If he was a true believer, then I almost feel sorry for him. He's not clueless like the current frontman who never seems aware that he's not really in charge. Obama is entering this pact knowing full well that he has betrayed nearly everyone who's supported him; and he'll have to charm his way out of the inconsistencies between the message and the plan.

8) Now, enter the spin doctors... starting in Lincoln's Springfield (The Prairie State) and ending with a huge open-air rally beneath the majesty of the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. ("Nil Sine Numine")

"From the Mountains to the Prairie"
(in reverse.)

Submitted by lambert on

... white with foam!

God bless Vespucci-land...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by a little night ... on

I was out of touch with the news for the past day or so (although it was drearily clear that Biden was almost certainly going to be the pick when I went offline yesterday evening).

But I realized, over the past day of being out-of-touch with the world, that I cannot vote for Obama, and I had in fact made this decision some time ago but been unwilling to admit it to myself. That is, I kept saying that there were things he could do that would convince me to vote for him, and I was waiting for him to do (at least one of) them.

I think it was the suggestion that he hadn't even informed HRC of who his VP choice was that pushed me over some kind of edge. I don't even know if that bit of information was true. The mere fact that it seemed so very consistent with his behavior all along made me realize how much he disgusts me. Yes, that's the right word. He disgusts me because his run for the presidency is ruining something in this nation. The change I see him bringing is a change distinctly for the worse, and it's already happening.

It's the fact that he's benefited from misogyny and race-baiting, and done nothing to stem those things, and in fact his actions and non-actions have made it at the same time impossible to talk about misogyny or racism or any other ism any more. He's set back the national conversation by at least forty years, in my estimation. And it doesn't bother him in the least.

Melissa McEwan has said a lot of what I mean here, particularly this:

Feminism, especially for women, is not mere political advocacy, but a philosophy centered around advocating for personal equality. When feminists/womanists are inveigled to vote for/support the Democratic candidate (and refrain from questioning his commitment to women's issues lest his candidacy be undermined), because This Issue is so important, the implicit calculation is that This Issue is priority over women's equality, reproductive rights, etc.

Because FWs have increasingly resisted taking a backseat to issues like social security when their very value as human beings is up for debate, those using this rhetorical strategy have learned that nothing is quite so effective as using Roe v. Wade as This Issue, thusly reframing the argument from "Vote for the Democrat to get what you want" to "Vote for the Democrat to not lose what you've got."

It's a nasty little bit of blackmail, which fails utterly to take into consideration that the veiled threat of losing legal abortion because of one's uncompromising belief in one's own equality and autonomy is so bitterly ironic that it would be laughable if it were not so profoundly sad. Instead of demonstrations of commitment to protecting Roe as one among many commitments to the basic feminist principle of women's equality, we are meant instead to be motivated by menace and intimidation. We're supposed to gleefully hop on board with people who ominously warn that failure to do so will evoke tragedy by our own hands—and, if we succumb, we find that even asking for basic respect, for sexist words and images and behaviors to not be used, is considered too much, an impertinence.

All we are offered is the protection of what we've already got, and nothing more.

Which makes one wonder why we'd ever be given anything more, since the threat of losing one thing is most ominous when there is only one thing to lose.

The compromise of everything else to protect this one thing is particularly problematic for feminists/womanists because being a woman is not a cause. If women's issues are ignored, we cannot simply change our skin like a losing lobbyist changes strategies. Always will we be women, and when we are asked to put our "issues" on the back burner for the good of "the larger cause," we are being asked to wait longer yet to have our equality fully realized. That is not an easy burden to indefinitely bear for thin promises.

But there's even more to it than what she said, for me. Maybe I'll get a post worked up. Right now I'm kind of simultaneously shaken up and relieved. And I just had to get this off my chest.

It doesn't really have much to do with the choice of Biden per se - although that doesn't help. It's the entirety of the way he acts and speaks and the way his campaign is being carried out.

We can't afford not to have Improved and Enhanced Medicare For All!!