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It's after 5:00 EDT on a Friday -- Shouldn't we know the VP choice now?

Biden. The tell was the trip to Georgia, in retrospect. Somehow, when I think of Biden, I don't think of ponies, but at least Biden doesn't move the Ds from 2% less evil to 1%, say. (I still want to know what was with the Obama-Bayh bumper-stickers, though. Maybe they'll show up on eBay?) The Times:

He is also, at least arguably, a Washington insider, having worked there for so long, though he still commutes home to Wilmington every night by train.

I think that's an "argument" the affirmative side would win rather easily. But I love the way "change" is right over Biden's shoulder in the new print ads.

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The Secret Service has been dispatched to Biden's home in DE, says Jake Tapper. Biden voted for the AUMF, just like Hillary; cue the doublethink. Unless this is just another headfake, of course.

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Not Hillary. Good. I wouldn't want her to have to defend this.

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Apparently, Bayh and Kaine are both out, at least according to MSNBC (hat tip, amberglow). CNN says tomorrow morning (hat tip, FrenchDoc). Damn, and I had my Unity Pony's stall all ready. Plus the comb for its mane and the ribbons for its tail. How will I be able to sleep?????????????????????

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Well, I imagine the Olympics or something else are on the teebee now, so I guess the text message we're "waiting for" will come as a wake-up call--which would preclude both Biden and Bayh, and that's good news.

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17269047_240X1806:15PM EDT via KMBC, Kansas City:

After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.
KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material. That's Bayh as in U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa. [ NBC says Gill is a "shop", implying Gill is a small operation, but they're not small; see the photo of the plant.] The Obama campaign had said it would make the announcement by text message on Friday.
Gill Studios, would not confirm information about the material. They would not deny it either. The company president would not comment when asked by Mahoney about the reports. But at least three sources close to the plant's operations reported the Obama-Bayh material was being produced.

Thing is, it's in the wrong font; it's not Gotham. And where's the hopey-changey soft porn look? Anyhow, something. Via Drudge, bien sur, though I did have to find the link. Nothing on Cheetopia*, still pre-occupied with the housing circlejerk, or from WKJM -- who's home waiting for the call, teh funny.

Meanwhile, Obama's plane has not been repainted with the VP's name on it.

IMG_6845-thumb-500x375 UPDATE Check this DNC marketing collateral for Denver. The O-like zero, the stacked-O 8, and the star motif resemble the bumper sticker above, as does the serifed (i.e., not Gothic) font; the M in both looks the same to me; although the O does not. (Image from Lynn Sweet. And gawd help me, I'm writing about fonts. Again.

So -- speculating freely, and indeed, why not -- I wonder if these are bumper stickers for Denver only. And since, therefore, the press run would be rather small, it would be worth asking if there are other bumper stickers in reserve: The Obama/Kaine sticker, the Obama/Sibelius sticker, the Obama/Biden sticker. If the press run was small enough, the conservative play would be to print up the shortlist for Denver only, so as to guarantee the availability of the right one; and discard the rest.

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Or have the fundraisers not met projections yet?

I've gotta play the same video that BTD did; the one-note guitar solo is is especially appropriate:

NOTE * Actually, there's a Cheetopian diary though, to be fair, not on the rec list:

So... Obama-Bayh stickers are being printed... in Kansas City... and three whole people close to the plant's operations are named as sources! It must be true! ...

Wes Isley is privy to an email that reveals Obama-Biden tee-shirts are about to go on sale!

The Greensboro Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transvestite for Obama group claims that the Senator from Delaware is the one to have his name beneath Obama's on the coveted logo that we'll see hundreds of times every day for the next two months.

Ha ha! Teh funny! Joe Biden is so gay!

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Submitted by BDBlue on

I would like to say now that if it is Biden or Bayh, it will make it perfectly clear that all of the handwringing over Hillary's AUMF vote by the Blogger Boyz (who will no doubt forgive Obama instantly for whomever he picks) was largely manufactured bullshit. That's especially true if it's Bayh, who was one of the primary movers behind the AUMF (along with Obama consigliere Daschle). The AUMF makes Hillary unfit for the presidency, but Bayh or Biden are just fine for the Veep selection. Riiight.

Of course men are supposed to want to go to war so guys like Josh Marshall and Matt Yglesias can give themselves and the VP nominee a pass. Women's role however is to save men from doing stupid shit and so it's all Hillary's fault.

For my own part, I don't know who I hope it is, almost every leaked name has sucked. I will be impressed if it's Clinton, Feingold, Clark or someone else with their own power base and who is to the left of Richard Nixon. I will not be if it's one of the bland boys being bandied about the past few days.

FWIW, a Talk Left commenter noted that if you type in you get forwarded to Obama's website(for an unfound page that's url includes "meet evan"). I tried it with and got nothing.

Submitted by lambert on

... that's what they had to do immediately, and then they'll improve it later.

It could be misdirection, since Obama has more money than God, but really, what's the point?

Who knows? I wanna be sedated.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

It's actually pretty easy and I don't know a whole lotta HTML. Heck, I can set up a site and have it forward to Obama's site. Doesn't mean I'm the running mate.

Just sayin'.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Why blow a gasket over something you cannot control? We'll all get the word - maybe that should be The Word - within minutes of each other and that will be that; however bad the pick, if it is just someone who hasn't had electroshock treatments or recently been fucking around then I'll be pleased.

I recommend three fingers of your favorite distilled alcoholic beverage consumed all in one draught, and a general diminishment of expectations. All I hope for from Obama/Whomever is no new stupid wars and that both of them can properly pronounce "nuclear"; anything more than that is gravy.

For instance, how's the painting going?

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

I'm super optimistic. Cynical, yes, but extremely optimistic. But folks like Senor "McCain is evil and you are childish if you don't support Obama even if you find the illegitimacy of his nomination to be extremely dangerous to democracy" have really cut into my optimism.

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And so I feel a duty to cover it. Especially when the rest of the blogosphere is writing about McCain's house.

I mean, I'm all for a sane housing policy, but it's dull, dull, dull.

NOTE "Blow a gasket?" My friends, you've seen me blow a gasket, and this post is not blowing a gasket.

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Submitted by bringiton on

because the post-blown-gasket recommendations are always, well, too little too late.

Not to hijack the thread but why not, everyone else does it: the missed larger story on the McCain/house saga, and the one Obama is prepping for by pushing this, is that McCain is giving the appearance of being in the early stages of dementia. For someone who has been at this for a long time he makes a lot of little mistakes. He's started to slur his words a bit, and his memory is only intermittently sharp. He doesn't have Reagan's professional acting skills, so he doesn't know how to fall back on scripted answers and ends up sounding awkward. I Am Not A Doctor, but McCain looks to me to be having some mental health problems.

Of interest, I think, and I'll have to look for the citation but I read it just the other day, supposedly the campaign team has kicked all the reporters off the bus when McCain uses it and has seriously restricted his time wandering about on the plane. Too many gaffes, and too many times with him standing there with a blank stare while he searches the memory banks for something to say.

I know you all say that ageism is a mistake, but I think McCain is very vulnerable in that regard and Obama would be a fool to not play against it. The greater populace is looking for a Leader, someone they feel they can trust, and that's why McCain is attacking Obama's patriotism while being all hawkish on just about every other country on the planet. For Obama to repel that he needs to both move towards a hawkish position vis-a-vis some conflicts (Afghanistan is handy) and also cast doubt on McCain's leadership ability. Puting it up that McCain is going soft in the head, dazed and confused, can't remember how many houses he has, is one way to do that.

The other is to get under his skin and get him to lose his temper; watch for Obama in their debates to try and jab at McCain where he can't control himself; wife Cindy and her ownership of the money is #1 of those places, thus the need to set up the house issue as something important that can later be brought out in debate.

The "how many houses" tack accomplishes at least three things: points McCain out as a real elitist, a rich out-of-touch snob; suggests oh-so-subtly that he's losing his mind; and sets up a jab to the ego for use at a later time, in hopes of getting McCain to lose control on national TV. That's why the Obama campaign jumped on it.

Speaking of gaskets blown, I was looking for something the other day and re-read the Ashley/ringtones comment thread; ah, those were the days, such simple clarity.

Submitted by lambert on

... should certainly work in the general. Why wouldn't it? And no, I'm not a child. I saw this coming from a mile off. See for example:

[JEDREPORT] I do hope people don’t stereotype him just because he’s old and senile. Maybe he shouldn’t run because the last thing the elderly in this country need is the triggering of ugly stereotypes about their bowel habits. They already suffer from enough incontinence.

Atrios-endorsed, too.

How progressive! And so obviously different from the Republicans. Just the party faction I trust not to privatize Social Security, too.

What a discouraging comment. Frankly, if Americans want a "Leader" -- I note the cap L -- and think Obama is the one, that's the best argument I can think of for McCain. Ick.

NOTE +1 on Ashley. Say, I wonder who she's voting for.

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Submitted by oceansandmountains on

sounds pretty unrealistic. His performance in the initial Democratic debates put me off him from the get-go (it was the racist smears and sexist crap that pushed me into the "never-voting-for-that-assclown" column for good). Perhaps he hasn't yet noticed, but "what she said" will not be available for him to use when asked about policies, just as "me too" will not be available when questioned about his suitability for the White House.

Obama's debating skillz are minimal at best, which is very sad for us lawyers to see. Obama will be lucky to formulate one coherent, grammatically correct and logically concise statement in any debate. The idea Obama will somehow actually put McCain on the defensive, much less trigger some damaging behavior from McCain, is really really reaching.

I find the "let's mock McCain because he's old" approach as stupid as "let's piss all over half the Democratic party" approach. Seniors are the most reliable voting bloc in the country. Why fuck with them???

Diagnosis of McCain as suffering from a mental condition is a dangerous game. Regardless of policy affiliation, age or experience, I can only imagine how completely draining it must be to run for president. Every candidate has those times of hitting the wall mentally. Obama has his own laundry list of stupid things he's said. Fortunately for him, the media fanboys are still so in the mode of fellating him 24/7 Obama's gaffes don't get through and aren't allowed any traction if they do. Obama's gaffes would raise questions regarding his memory, which are far more troublesome considering his relative youth. I don't think it's a winning issue for either side.

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Because, you know, truthiness even when it comes to a rumor regarding a presidential rival is bad.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

Obama was chosen in an illegitimate process and as such is illegitimate. To me, it doesn't matter who he choses. When a corrupt and illegitimate process is accepted because candidate M has bad policies, well, then we're in for some really dark times. The process was what we hold special. But that's out the window, apparently. And those of us who want to hold onto the sanctity of the process (even with it's money distortions) are called children and told to get over it in very condescending ways over and over again.

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He can pick up the bumper stickers himself while he's here.

Actually, if these were actual campaign bumper stickers wouldn't the campaign have asked the printer to sign a confidentiality agreement?

Submitted by lambert on

... has a source on the pressroom floor. The officials aren't confirming anything. Good point on the confidentiality agreement, but perhaps social engineering was in play.

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Submitted by Davidson on

But why would he want someone "Bush/Cheney-lite" to be a heartbeat away from the presidency or as his top advisor? Especially when he deemed everyone and their mother who supported AUMF unacceptable for the presidency during the primary? What does that say about his celebrated "judgment?"

If this was anyone else, I'd say the media would have a field day with that, especially since HRC is so obviously the ultimate choice it's absurd and it makes it more clear that gender played a determining factor. But since it's The Village Choice, scrutiny will be muted, at best.

The media will decide this election (again). Although the public has grown increasingly immune to the media's hit pieces, it's still hugely powerful in its ability to determine what the public is ignorant of (e.g., HRC and nomination process). Assumptions are powerful.

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Submitted by snow-moon on

if they have a sense of humor.

I can imagine a recorded 3am conversation between Obama & Clinton--sent to everyone's voice mail in the wee hours. (I'll let the rest of you write the dialogue).

I'll start:

Barack: "Hillary? Barack. You awake?"


Question is would that be EDT (D.C.) or CDT (Springfield)?

It could happen Saturday morning (tonight) or Sunday 3am. Remember the Olympics closing ceremony begins at 8am EDT Sunday (China time -live on the Internet) and Obama has taken care not to step on the Olympics coverage (vacation in Hawaii during the opening ceremony).

So kids, put those iPhones and Blackberries under your pillows starting tonight.

And be ready for the call.

If I'm right- I get the pony of my choice.

Submitted by hipparchia on

that's truly inspired, snow-moon, and you brightened my evening considerably. here, have as many ponies as you want.

Submitted by lambert on

Just shoot me.

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Submitted by Damon on

Barack Obama is grinning ear-to-ear, beside himself with mirth, that everyone is thinking about what he's going to do. You don't need to be a psychic to know he eats this shit up with a spoon.

Who will his vice president be? Quite frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn. Now, someone kill me, now, for channeling the spirit of Suze Orman.

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Submitted by snow-moon on

does Suze Orman have, you think?


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Submitted by snow-moon on

I don't see the the messages conveyed in the Obama ads as being about McCain's age.

McCain has gotten so many basic facts wrong- throughout the campaign: geopolitical facts, personal information, voting records (his own), whether or not he supported or didn't support Bush on one or another program.

I just don't think he has much depth or is well-informed about current events in the world- on nearly every subject.

Which means his advisors would be calling all the shots.

After at least one term of a president with early stage dementia (Reagan's second) and eight years with a complete fool running the country, I think it's fair to question anyone's fitness-- intellectually and emotionally-- to handle the complexities and pressures of the job!

McCain's demeanor (and intellect) probably hasn't changed much over the years-- wasn't he at the bottom of his class at West Point?

I'm just not seeing "age" as the issue being addressed by the Obama team- as much as incompetence.

Except for the POW episode-- the rest of his life has been all about good connections, luck, personal charm, and an ability to hide his mean-spirited nature from the general public.

"my friends"

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Submitted by snow-moon on

that when John Edwards was in the Senate- that he and Bayh were running partners?

They were quite the cute little junior senator couple (as I recall.)

I'd say that would put him in the negative column. Not to mention that he comes across as slightly sedated when he speaks (in keeping with the theme of the thread.) He puts me to sleep. If that's the "big news"- it's all uphill from here.

as for the other "B"

I can't stand Joe Biden. Standing up for the middle class? Which one? Maybe John McCain's middle class. THANKS FOR THE BANKRUPTCY BILL, JOE!

I say we move to the C's.

Clinton ?
Clark ?

Submitted by lambert on

Dick Cheney.

Best way I can think of to demonstrate serious post-partisanship.

Plus, he'll challenge Obama, is ready for the Presidency, and so on.

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Submitted by Damon on

I also didn't read into the issue to have anything to do with age. I've heard that theory mentioned once, already, before I got here, and I'm wondering if the theory is not just something that was parroted in the MSM or liberal blogosphere, today, and then went viral? Because, I don't see how your average viewer could read something like that into the coverage of the "issue."

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Submitted by snow-moon on

and there's the whole continuity of government thing that Cheney's been working on for the last 20 years.

(Who knows where all the undisclosed locations are but Dick? I'm sure he'll hang around no matter who's elected- concocting evil plans in his many secret lairs.)

Now Mary Cheney might be an interesting choice- if her cyborg dad stops functioning.

Republican, gay, mother- and with an invisible wife!

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Submitted by snow-moon on

for the ponies hipparchia!

I just channeled a 10 year old girl when I opened the picture.


and east coast ponies at that!


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Submitted by DCblogger on

Gore destroyed Bush in their debates, he mopped the floor with Bush

all to no effect

debates are important, but not as important as Democrats think

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Submitted by bringiton on

The main attacks on McCain's mental status will come from surrogates, but the MSM is interested too. Every progressive's favorite KO spent about five minutes on McCain's mental health tonight, and while he started out treating it as a joke, he soon got serious and kept asking if this could be hurtful.

Poking around a bit, I see that Bob Cesca is having ago at the topic (warning, HuffPo link).

Then there is this site, dedicated to documentation of McCain's mental slippage and featuring a prediction in the old man's own words:

"Well, in 2004, I expect to be campaigning for the reelection of President George W. Bush, and by 2008, I think I might be ready to go down to the old soldiers' home and await the cavalry charge there."
- John McCain, August, 2000

He should know.

Sorry, Lambert; I simply cannot get into the Veepstakes. Although, there is a rumor being floated out of the Time office [another HuffPo link] that McCain will pick Romney. If true, it will hand the election to Obama on a platter. Most Christianist evangelicals would rather die than vote for a Mormon.

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But people do need to read about it, so here I am.

I'm so looking forward to the general. Six months of hatred for women, followed by six months of hate for the old. What an enchanting prospect. The only redeeming feature is that the end result will be a mandate for progressive policies. As long as they let me carry my dogfood with me onto the ice floes, I'l be fine...

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

Forgetting the number of states, forgetting the name of the city he's in, forgetting that his nuclear legislation didn't even go to a floor vote, forgetting that Samantha Power went to Europe to say that his Iraq plan won't be valid when he would be in office, . . . Do I need to go on? But feel free, BIO, to tell us AGAIN how scary McCain is without addressing our Obama concerns--its not like that got old long, long ago.

The hosue dealie was about elitism, not age or competence. It was trying to play off McCain's how rich is rich comment. Obama already has an older voter problem and wouldn't jeopardize his chances by intentionally alienating a key constituency. Oh wait, he is that absurd.

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Submitted by Damon on

Don't forget that Kerry made Bush look like a petulant, little child in their debates. Even Bush supporters knew he got beat.

Yeah, debates don't matter much. But, they sure as hell won't help Obama. Obama will be lucky if he draws McCain to a tie. Obama's debating talents are minimal, at best, and I'm not saying that as a hater, it's simply not his strong suit. For whatever McCain lacks in arena speeches, he kills in townhalls, and does above-average in debates.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

in order to prove that she really supports BO, HRC should debate in his place. He sucks at it whereas she's very good. Heck, at this point, she's even supposed to win the election for him.

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