mysterious are the ways of these New Politics being foisted on us...

Did they publish the complete list? Does Obama have the list?

I want to know who they are and how to contact them. Each and every one.

(An Aside)

I got a fundraising call from the DNC last night at 8:35 asking me for money now that we're ready to unite against McCain.

I said, are you asking me to donate to Omama's campaign?

She said, "Well -- yes"

I said, Tell me how we're going to run a guy who had his first political event at the home of domestic terrorists against John McCain?

She hung up on me.

I KNOW, it's a Republican Talking point. I'm just hoping that someone will talk me through the answer.

One for each week until the convention. Ooooh, I want a ticket to all of these, should be good. Is it wrong for me to enjoy McCain taking Obama apart? If it's wrong, I don't wanna be right.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/04/m...

I love this job!

Time for Donna Brazile to quit the Dem party like she promised she would.
Now you know Mama won't be happy if Donna breaks her promise.

Obama won

and just remember that in January of 2001 then newly elected Senator Clinton said not one word to let the Black Caucus bring their case about Florida to the senate. In January of 2005 it was Boxer, not Clinton, who made a motion so that the black caucus could bring their case about the situation in Ohio.

Senator Clinton could have done something about voter suppression; but she didn't.

Only now is she concerned about MI and FL. Only now is she concerned about the popular vote, now that it suits her purposes.

Obama won. I am not going to say get with the program, I just hope that Obama supporters will feel comfortable again posting on Corrente.

noquarter

i was on my way back up the mountain, heavily laden with just that quote.

where shall i put this copy of it sir?

heh:)

-- do we even have a list of those Super D's?

I can't find one. But crafting a search is tricky. I get a lot of noise.

as the nominee. If, that is, you believe the DNC. Heh.

could be having difficulty putting that support in writing precisely because the argument is very difficult to make.

If there is a logic-based, win-in-the-Fall argument for Obama, I haven't seen it anywhere. If anyone has such an argument, I would love - LOVE - to see it put forth. Everyone would, I believe, feel at least a little better for knowing the Dems have more than Audacious Hope to work with.

The emotional argument for Obama as President, and I truly do not mean that in any way to be a negative, is very hard to lay out. It is there, and maybe in a few days I'll get around to writing about it because it should get discussed. A lot of pondering and I think I have a sense of what they feel, but since I don't share it I would be much happier to hear from someone who is actually convinced.

Sooner, rather than later, would be a good time for a coherent pro-Obama argument to be advanced. I really did want to like the guy. I can't honestly say now, one thing and another, that I do - and that's a pity. What I'm still hoping for is something positive enough to let me be for him rather than just against McCain. I'd also like to have some confidence that Obama can beat McCain and actually be the President; doesn't help at all to like him if he can't win.

Any help offered with either of those would be taken seriously, I believe by many others as well as by me, and deeply appreciated. I, for one, would be grateful for the chance to have a discussion and vow to keep it civil.

As everyone knows, Obama intentionally took his name off of the Michigan ballot in his effort to abide by an agreement made by the Democratic contenders (which included Hillary Clinton).

Lambert, in his comment above, is including the Michigan results.

For a different accounting of the vote totals:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...

Here various totals are given, with an explanation of what is being counted and how.

As the title of this post puts it, just for the record.

Me, too. I can't believe I was excited when he got into the race last year. I thought he'd be my guy. The harder I looked, the less I liked. Although I never thought I'd get to the point where I feel sick at the thought of voting for him (thanks OFB, thanks Axelrod, thanks Barack!).

I have a vague idea about Obama's emotional appeal, BIO, and not all of it is negative (although I could never write about Obama's appeal without including the Clinton hatred and intertwined misogyny). But I agree there is something positive there as well. I think I even felt a twinge of it once, early last year. Passed, however.

Whatever monitoring station reports any thread about misogyny also reports any thread about the popular vote. So we can all hear the OFB talking points. Again. Some more. Including the bullshit Obama took his name off to make the party happy. Interesting that out of all the arguments Obama could've made to the party about why that election was flawed, that Hillary wrongly left her name on the ballot wasn't one of them. And since I watched the hearing, I watched Bonoir get asked why Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan and he did not answer because the rules required it (indeed, had the rules required it you would think the Rules Committee would know that, although admittedly they didn't know any of their other rules, so I'll give you that one). Instead, he said because it wouldn't count. Which is odd because Obama put his name on the Washington, Nebraska and Idaho primary ballots and none of those counted.

You know, if you have to lie, your case probably sucks. Go peddle that shit in your echo chamber.

What exactly are you saying? I didn't hijack the thread - I'm responding directly to lambert's comment.

Are you saying that Obama expected Michigan to count fully, but decided not to keep his name onthe ballot? Are you saying that Hillary didn't agree to not participate in the Michigan primary? Are you saying that nobody in Michigan would have voted for Obama if his name was on the ballot?

And then you call me a liar?

And this is a talking point?

I linked to a page that is very clear about the different vote totals in the different states. It has national totals under different scenarios, and explains those scenarios.

You're being incredibly rude to me, for no reason.

is for senator clinton to take her campaign to denver.

she can suspend her campaign for now; that's fine with me.

let senator obama go about our new obama nation, talking it up.

but make all those sons of bitches who would love never to be held responsible for the likely debacle of an obama presidential campaign,

put their names on the line, in public.

that, senator clinton is all i ask for my having supported you -

make them put their names on the line in a first ballot in denver.

Obama intentionally took his name off of the Michigan ballot in his effort to abide by an agreement made by the Democratic contenders (which included Hillary Clinton).

There was no such agreement. The agreement was not to campaign in Michigan, that is all that was required. Obama has never said he took his name off the ballot because the rules required it. The DNC has never said so and in fact the rules committee specifically asked Obama's representative why he took his name off the ballot and the representative said because Michigan wouldn't count, he did not say the rules required it. Nobody argued that Hillary's delegates in Michigan should be reduced because she violated the rules or any agreement. THERE WAS NO RULE OR AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRED OBAMA TO TAKE HIS NAME OFF THE BALLOT. Yet, every time the popular vote totals comes up, someone comes into the thread spewing this bullshit.

If you have a rule or an agreement that required Barack Obama to remove his name from the ballot, cite it, link it. And, no the promise not to "campaign or participate" does not count. If it did, then all of the Democrats would've removed their names. Hillary, contrary to crap spewed by Obamabots, was not the only one whose name was on the Michigan ballot. Obama got Florida delegates even though his name was on the ballot. He wasn't punished for having broken some rule or agreement. Because there wasn't one. There is no difference between Florida and Michigan except in one state Obama made a tactical decision to take his name off the ballot and in another he did not. So whatever else Michigan's flaws may be, Obama's removing his name from the ballot isn't one of them. That's on Obama. A flawed strategy by one candidate does not make a flawed primary.

As for whether they should count or not, the DNC decided on Saturday they would. So that's not really up for debate anymore.

conspiracy theorists, http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/ has all the superdelegates and their endorsements.

I'm convinced the OFB go through some Axelrod run camp where people un-learn how to read. The textbook "Obama Golf for Dummies."