Keep calling!

[Because leah and I both posted our respective bottom lines, which turn out to be identical -- KEEP CALLING -- I'm stickying both posts. And if you call, be polite, and be sure to tell us all here what you said! -- lambert]

[UPDATE If the DC lines are busy, then call one of the local offices "in the district." I got through that way, and was at least listened to courteously. "The acronym that I want to put in your Senator's mind is HOLC." Then I made them repeat it.... -- lambert]

[UPDATE The headlines saying a deal has been reached don't match the stories. The stories only say agreement on principles has been reached and, as we know, principles are not policy, let alone legislation. Personally, I wouldn't mind if McCain kicked Reid and Schumer in the nads and filibustered the fucking thing. All that matters is outcomes, right? -- lambert]

Keep calling! So it's not Emperor Paulson's bill anymore -- It's the Bush-Frank-Reid-Pelosi-Obama-McCain [?] bill. The trillion dollar bailout bill still puts lipstick on Hank Paulson's golfing buddiesMR SUBLIMINAL And you know they love it!, the numbers don't add up, the need for it hasn't even been shown, and it might not even work.

The Times does some actual reporting on your calls today:

Around the country, Republican and Democratic voters are rising up in outright opposition to the White House plan or, at the very least, to express concern that it is being pushed through Congress in haste.

The backlash, in phone calls as well as e-mail messages, is putting lawmakers in a quandary as they weigh what many regard as the most consequential decision of their careers: whether to agree to President Bush’s request to spend an estimated $700 billion in taxpayer money to rescue the financial services system.

Nice that this is not framed using the fake "recovery" point. It's about more looting and theft, not recovery.

nator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, has received nearly 17,000 e-mail messages, nearly all opposed to the bailout, her office said. More than 2,000 constituents called Ms. Boxer’s California office on Tuesday alone; just 40 favored the bailout. Her Washington office received 918 calls. Just one supported the rescue plan.

Senator Sherrod Brown, Democrat of Ohio, said he had been getting 2,000 e-mail messages and telephone calls a day, roughly 95 percent opposed. When Senator Bernard Sanders, the Vermont independent who votes with Democrats, posted a petition on his Web site asking Mr. Paulson to require that taxpayers receive an equity stake in the bailed-out companies, more than 20,000 people signed.

“We certainly have never brought in 20,000 names in a day and a half,” Mr. Sanders said, sounding astonished. “For us, that’s off the wall.”

It is much the same on the Republican side. Aides to Senator Jim Bunning, a Kentucky Republican who has called the bailout plan “un-American,” said the senator had received more constituent reaction to the bailout plan than to any issue since the immigration debate.

Representative Ray LaHood, Republican of Illinois, said he had not seen such an outpouring since President Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial in 1999.

Constituent communications, of course, are no shock to lawmakers, especially since the age of e-mail messages and automated “robo-calls” make it possible for voters to vent en masse. But members of Congress say reaction to the bailout does not appear orchestrated or coordinated, but rather individual expressions that come from the grass roots and run across the philosophical spectrum.

That's the critical point -- it's real, not orchestrated. Let's keep it real!

The only X-factor I can think of that would prevent the Village from selling us down the river again is calling, calling, calling.

Do it!

NOTE Although moderate Republicans always melt like warm turds in the rain, here's what one has to say:

But in the end, from the right or the left, lawmakers say the message is the same: Slow down, catch your breath and do not make any rash decisions, no matter what the White House says.

“This is too serious a problem for the administration to expect us to just rubber-stamp a $700 billion proposal and rush to get out of town,” said Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine. “That’s something my constituents definitely won’t tolerate.”

Excellent. There's no hurry. Fuck the bankers if they can't take a joke.

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Thanks, Lambert

I got through to everyone - but I was calling way early, about 6 AM out here - 9 AM in Washington.

Hopefully, some of the lines will be busy now.

From the Wall Street Journal, there does seem to be a bill emerging on the Democrats side - limit on executive compensation, warrants by which the government can obtain shares in companies the begin to be profitable, beefed up oversight to be handled by the GAO - that's a good one, I think. It does seem as if they are not going to try and address the underlying problem as outlined by Hillary, but since the Dems solution had been bankruptcy court, I'm not as worried about that as some are. There is a huge amount more that has to be done to address the underlying issues - reform and re-regulation - there is time in January, with a new congress to do that, the right way, and frankly, I think that and HOLC is much more likely to happen then, whereas if the bankruptcy court clause passes now, HOLC becomes less likely.

Democrats are no longer trying to limit the total size of the bailout but it appears that what they are going to posit is that funds be released in discrete payments - from the Wall St. Journal

One scenario being discussed by Democrats would be to establish benchmarks to periodically measure the bailout's performance. Those benchmarks would have to be met before further allotments of government money could be used -- in effect, potentially breaking the bailout funds into several installments. The administration doesn't want Congress to split up dispersing the funds, particularly if that would require returning for continual congressional approval, according to people familiar with the matter.

That is the absolute minimum that Democrats should insist on. Stress that if you call. Ask whomever answers to take down notes on your concerns, and emphasize that there are lots of indications that this might not work, and Democrats and Obama will be holding the bag, instead of the bag men holding it.

I agree that spacing out the payments is more rational...

... than a lump sum, simply because they can't piss it away all at once, but there's simply no way they can get a good bill by Friday, and they shouldn't even try.

And the bankruptcy court is no solution at all (see other threads; I have to go paint).

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Thanks LB and Leah. Check out Bernie Sanders petition to DC

Bernie rocks. Sign his petition to shut down the bailout.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/issues/cri...

I love this job!

I love this job!

Bernie Sanders is my new crush. Check out his OpEd from 9/21:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/news/recor...

I kind of like where he's going with this. Here's a good one:

"I have proposed a four part plan to accomplish that goal which includes a five-year, 10% surtax on the income of individuals above $500,000 a year, and $1 million a year for couples; a requirement that the price the government pays for any mortgage assets are discounted appropriately so that government can recover the amount it paid for them; and, finally, the government should receive equity in the companies it bails out so that when the stock of these companies rises after the bailout, taxpayers also have the opportunity to share in the resulting windfall. Taken together, these measures would provide the best guarantee that at the end of five years, the government will have gotten back the money it put out. "

I love this job!

I love this job!

Thank Elixir

Everyone, go and sign the petition.

Another possible talking point - wish you guys could be listening to various call in radio shows - on NPR out here in LA, callers are outraged - a woman who works for a board which services small businesses just said that she hasn't talked to any of them who want this bailout to happen; they'll take their chances - and they need liquidity, but this price is too high.

Remember, if Bush and Paulson start to bargain and pushback - tell the Democrats, that means there isn't a crisis. CALL THEIR FUCKING BLUFF FOR FUCKING ONCE. Leave out the f-words, I just had to get it out of my system before I start calling again.

Oh, and call your friends and relatives and ask them to call.

BTD Has Something on Bankruptcy vs HOLC

I may be steering people wrong in terms of what arguments to make. Apparently, bankruptcy provision is still in, BTD thinks they can swope it for language commits to creating HOLC even if it isn't created in whole in this bill.

Check it out hereK/a>.

Repeat this phrase:

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"
Lather. rinse, repeat.
Come together at The Confluence

Come together at The Confluence

Got a friend to agree to call

this afternoon. He's furious, too. Everyone he knows, including people in the financial sector think this is wrong. It seems the only people who like this idea work on Wall Street or get campaign donations from Wall Street.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

HOLC. Equity. Benchmarks. Millionaire surtax.

Transparency.
Cooperation with SEC/FBI investigations.
Hedge Funds banned from bailout participation.

Said these points to my reps' reps, through the local offices.

"i appreciate ...input...but i'm just not reacting to that" ????

"... “I appreciate all of the input that I’m getting from my constituents, but I’m just not reacting to that — I can’t until I understand it better and feel comfortable with my vote. And I’m not sure how I’m going to be voting yet.” ..."

this person needs to be gone, like any and all who rush this thru and/or vote in favor.

Only the Democrats are saying there's a deal--they've been for this all along. It's the GOP who's against it.

and what about FDIC? it's out of money--

FDIC May Need $150 Billion Bailout as More Banks Fail --- http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...

"... It won't take many more failures before the FDIC itself runs out of money. The agency had $45.2 billion in its coffers as of June 30, far short of the $200 billion Whalen says it will need to pay claims by the end of next year. The U.S. Treasury will almost certainly come to the rescue. ...."

I emailed my senators

Dear Senator X,

I'm emailing about Sec. Paulson's $700 billion bailout of the financial markets and am going to try really hard not to use bad language. I am deeply angry that somehow bankers and hedge fund managers don't need to take their losses when they make bad business decisions since Sec. Paulson thinks we taxpayers (that's you, too, Senator, as well as your staff, friends, and the nice person who cuts your hair) will cover it for them.

The answer is no.

I'm not saying people don't need help---some do. So why not concentrate on that first? Your friend and mine, Sen. Hillary Clinton, is right when she proposes a new Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC). She's also right about fundamental principles, as she wrote in the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12223076...

So first things first: help out homeowners so we can repair the financial damage before it becomes an economic meltdown.

We need you, Senator. Stand up and speak out.

Thanks for reading.

P.S. See? Not one bad word. It was hard, though.

I'll call tomorrow. It's the one-two punch. Probably won't work, but never fear, my little chipmunks, I am working on a cunning plan. All I need is a briefcase, a haircut, and some business cards. And does anyone have an opinion on whether "Bank" or "Banque" looks classier?

Hi, Ohio!

Please stop by tonight at 9PM and we can talk about your cards...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Aren't you supposed to be scraping or something?

9PM your time is 6PM real time. I'll try. I'm supposed to be doing some paying work until late in the evening, but if I'm typing and muttering a lot, I can make it look like I'm working. I'm all about appearances.

Oh, and I think I have a fix for your bay window roof, soffit, etc., for next spring. It's clever and you'll totally hate it, but I will shame you into doing it. Hahaha.

And where the hell is GQM? I want to buy the lad some dinner. And several intoxicating drinks as he seems a bit down and with alcohol, he'll do foolish things we can take pictures of and share with our new Internet friends.

Nope, done for the day

But all I really need is one more sunny day above 45 and it looks like that's coming, even in the worst case scenario.

I could still maybe get that soffit fixed, though I used a disgusting filler/epoxy on a window I needed to temporarily save.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Epoxy isn't disgusting; it's a joy forever

Well, it's forever. So that's, well, good. And if you want disgusting, the meth heads have moved away and the property across the street is for sale. It's scary. C'mon, move out west, lambert. We're friendly and you can own chickens.

Okey-doke, well, how's about we stick a pin in that till you start getting restless, and then we attack the repair ideas later this winter? After the treasury has gone tits up and we have nothing else to do but live in tents made with a tarp and a stick since our houses now belong to banks.

Seriously, anyone tries to take my house and I. Will. Not. Be. Responsible.

Have been reading bits here and there on this treasury move and all I can see is a one-two to move public money in the market where it simply does not belong. Either that money is treasury money (our money) or Social Security money (also our money, but for later).

None of this passes the sniff test for me and I love the smell of money. There is a TON of cash available in private hands---hey, rich people ain't rich because they don't have money. And Buffet's move suggests he's seeing opportunity inside the panic.

It take the Village to raise a Panic, you know.

Something is wrong here. Very wrong. And I don't just mean Paulson's plan, neither. The obvious solution is to stabilize on the borrowers' side to keep cash flowing and HOLC is a plan that has shown some success. I don't like it, but HOLC puts the emphasis on public assistance where it belongs---in the hands of people with fewer resources than corporations---so I dislike it less than some of this other nonsense.

(And some folks are going to need the help. They did stupid financial stuff and while I don't like rewarding stupid, I'd rather rescue Ma Jones down the street from her stupidity than the cavalier bankers and hedge fund managers---don't get me started---who obviously fell asleep in Finance 101. Or worse, decided basic common sense didn't apply to them. Or didn't care. God, I want to punch each and every one of these guys in the neck.)

I can't quite figure this out other than that I don't like it one tiny bit. Everyone is lying to me (but the fab GF) and I don't trust the numbers I'm seeing. But as I say, I am not studying up like I normally would. I think I'm just tired of people trying to a'scare me all the time. Blah.

Seriously, though, that epoxy does work. Just wear a respirator and gloves when you work with it because it's messy and stinky.

Us? Russ the drywall dude starts in a week and a half, Albert grading/septic guy starts October 8 (weather depending).

I'll put my last bit of cash into the one-way Greyhound ticket!

Oh, you think I'm joking?

NOTE I assume you're documenting all this, right? Especially pictures?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

I'm drinking excessively---that's a kind of documenting.

Yes, many pictures. Except of the foaming. We have to do that but dayum, it's super-duper messy (but works like a a fucking charm) and I don't want to risk damaging the cameras.

Greyhound stops in Seattle. We will come and get you. Or at least, I will send you a map and a $2 compass and you can orienteer your way. If you fall in salty water, you've gone too far left.

Never thought you'd go too far to the left, eh? Well, if you find yourself swimming...

Currency restrictions? If you're not yet motivated to call/email

/yell out the window, Bernhard at Moon of AL links to Mark Faber who predicts currency restrictions, among other other not such fun stuff.

As in, you can't take money out of the country bcz the Paulson Fix won't work, money becomes even more illiquid, and then the money which hadn't already gone overseas tries to do so. That would be mostly the little people, btw, bcz the Big Banker Boiz will have done all they can to preserve their fortunes.

"About 15 percent of U.S. households have negative equity. Who supplied the leverage into the system? It's called the Federal Reserve Board," Faber said.

"If I'm the drug dealer I'm not responsible that everybody takes drugs, but I facilitate it, especially if I give it out free of charge, I can enlarge the market share, and that's what the Fed has done."
...
"Short sellers are not responsible for current problems. The current problems are caused by the US Fed (Federal Reserve), that was sitting there and letting credit growth go out of bounds," Faber said.

"We have to see very clearly that the cause of the problem was excess leverage. The biggest hedge funds were Fannie Mae [FNM 1.94 --- UNCH (0) ] and Freddie Mac [FRE 1.86 --- UNCH (0) ], they had the leverage of one over 150 and under the eyes of Congress, under the eyes of the SEC and everybody… and nobody did anything about it. Then, people go and bitch about the short sellers," he added.

The fact that the rules on short-selling are changing nearly daily, with new names added to the list of securities in which short-selling is banned or with specific rules regarding hedging and confidentiality contributes to adding uncertainty, he said.

The problem is also exacerbated by the fact that nobody knows how long the emergency measure will last or what is next.

"The next emergency measure will be that Americans are not allowed to buy foreign currency and transfer money overseas, and the next measure will be not permitting Americans to buy gold and so on and so forth…. It creates even more uncertainty in the market place when you continually change the rules," Faber said.

Email tonight; call tomorrow.

They must not give all the money away to Paulson--we're going to need it for the worse times ahead. If they don't do HOLC now, don't do some other things now, they will have to be done later, at greater cost.

And where will the money come from???

Bernhard is not terribly upbeat, to put it mildly.
~~~
Listening to Dodd right now, who seems to believe the doom and gloom Paulson is putting out. Must have the money or the economy dies! Does he realize there's worse to come??

Left a VM for Sherrod Brown at the Cincinnati office

Thanked him for his work so far and asked him to keep pushing for HOLC and refer to Sen. Clinton's op-ed in the WSJ.

I did not know Ohio is in Seattle!

Little joke. Attempt.

jaw, my little blunderbuss, I'm north of Seattle

In the heart of the heart of the center of the meth universe.

Where men are men and women will kick your ass just because. And that's without the meth.

Horse country. The sort of place where people can talk knowledgeably about stud rates (the Friesian stallion Rembrandt lives up here and hoooboy, that is a good lookin' horse). Where the scent of manure wafts on the air and if you bitch, there's something wrong with you. Where our neighbor keeps a small herd of cattle and the bull he has always stands between the cows and the road. We can't decide if he's protecting his herd or just wants to be closer to the source of his food. A little from column A, a little from coumn B, no doubt.

Motorcycle country. Russ our drywall dude is a neighbor and I've seen the motorcycles he's re-built. I don't believe in god, but I believe in Harley, esp. after Russ is done with 'em.

The kind of place where everyone lives with the hatches battened because no one is rich (though some have McMansion pretentions) and we all expect disaster. Can't trust politicians to do sweet FA so you better learn all the practical things you can because you'll be building your own road (we do), draining your own ditches, and roofing your own house. Better learn to weld and pour concrete and build fences because no one is coming to your rescue.

Well, except the neighbors, who pitch in because that's what you do.

Some days get long and painful. And you can get mighty bored (I want to quote John Berryman, but I won't) if that's what you want. Winter brings concrete-gray skies and you'll wonder why you're living here, but then the sun breaks the gray and you try to remember the name of the color for sunlight hitting green cedar branches against a blue sky.

Don't mean to sound like a commercial. I'm just the luckiest person I know and realizing that whatever disasters may tumble upon all of our heads, the sun will still break through clouds, the rain will still fall, and the stalls will still have to be mucked out. The drumroll of rain, the brush of a cat, the warmth of a fire in the woodstove, the sweet burst of blackberries, the sound of my neighbor Bob building something, the roar of the new forge my neighbor JT just built, a whinny from Mia the Andalusian mare, a dog's bark, the whistle of a train in the distance. Love. Lust. Strength. The ability to weep.

Sorry. Been sniffing foam insulation fumes again. I worry that in the midst of all this fear and loathing will be forgotten that not everyone is cruel and grasping, and not every moment has to be ugly.

I need to get back to reality. Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing epoxy, that's for sure.

Now you've instilled even more fear in me

Seriously, I've always had a fear of visiting your part of the country because a lot of the pictures remind me a great deal of E. TN. A bit different (your mountains are kinda pointy) but close enough to where I wouldn't go through the weird withdrawals/longings (???) I have anytime I go too far from the mountains. Now I know for certain that where you live would trap me.

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

Mtns are similar except where yours are blue, ours are green

Come in January. You'll stay fifteen minutes and then run to the nearest tanning booth.

If you can take the weather, then yes, just accept you want to come to the dark side. I mean beeyootiful Western Washington. You and lambert can share a Snohomish County yurt---one stick and one big blue tarp.

(I've been to Tennessee. I've even been to Gatlinburg. Twice.)

Hey not all of them are blue

...but yeah the Smokies can get that way. Gatlinburg, eh? I grew up about 40 miles from there in between the Smokies and another chain of mtns topped by Clinch Mtn. -- you could see the Cumberland Gap where Daniel Boone crossed through. Everywhere I turned there were mtns. Now, I'm on top of a ridge very close to Clinch. We don't typically let the tourists know about any places other than Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge -- which if you haven't been there in a few years is HUGE now!!! Gatlinburg also is trying to go much less redneck and more upscale and let Pigeon Forge have all the redneck family fun.

What kind of cold do you get there? Wet cold or dry cold? I've had cold days here that were 45 degrees and colder to me than subzero temperatures were in New Hampshire. It all depends (for me) on the type of cold.

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

Welp, we get a little less rain and a bit more snow

than Seattle. We'll get snow for about two weeks every year. Massive wind storms, though, through out the winter. Mildew and green mold grows on glass, so I guess you could say it's a wee bit damp here.

The cold though is mixed with a rain that can be downright oppressive. It'll make you ache. A roaring fire (or a woodstove burning for hours) helps. Part of it is the heat and part of it is the smell. And keep drinking coffee. Lots and lots of coffee.

Yes, Gatlinburg went from quaint weird tourist destination to HUGE weird tourist destination. But I did buy catfish there and made catfish in panko and collard greens for my youngest brother and the gal he's married to. That was some good eating.

Ugh you get wet cold too...

...I sorta figured. That's a mean, mean, kind of cold.

Mmmm...collard greens. Oh and if you like the catfish -- you really should try the trout. I've never been much on freshwater fish but the rainbow trout and now another kind that was once endangered but I can't think of the name of is really good. They used to have a fishery that you could catch what you wanted out of but I don't know if it's still there.

And yes, it's very, very, weird but fun.

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

If your drinking, it might be a great time to call DC!

Tell 'em what you really think!

Also, I can take pretty good pictures...

Oh, also - Greyhound stops in Tacoma too.

He could pick up your madrona on the way.

jjm, is it madrona picking time yet?

Holy crap. Getting close.

I should talk with the fab GF and see if we can have you and GQ (where is he?) and maybe Joannie and others up to kvetch and connive and drink wine. Maybe we could have a little tree planting ceremony. With beverages.

GQ...

... thinks PB 2.0 isn't happening fast enough; or perhaps he had big RL issues; I think perhaps both. He's been around, so maybe he'll return.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

NewsHour discussion is kinda scary--Politico reporter makes it

sound like only recalcitrant Repubs are keeping this from being a done deal! Wow! See what I mean by scary?

Oh, and per the Politico reporter those pesky voters are also against the Paulson Fix Is In $700B. And they come in way far back second to the power of the recalcitrant Repubs.

New news: Dodd says will be couple days more.

Monday is Jewish holiday, so if not done by Sunday, markets won't like it.

In which case, "drips over into next week."

Gee, sounds like the effects of some kind of STD.
~~~
Now, NYTimes reporter, Viktor Bajah (sp?), saying no one knows the value of the dicey assets--and Wall St can't find the value.

No one talks about CDS's (credit default swaps)--except on NPR yesterday or this morning. In passing, with no explanation.
~~~
On the Diane Reems Show, economist against the Fix said Treasury is bringing in all these unemployed Wall St. types and ex-hedge fund managers to determine the value of the assets for which they were previously unable to determine a value...so they can get new jobs on Wall St. and do this all over again....

O-man--damn, but you do write well. That was delightful. Makes

a body want to wander on out there.

Really, great reading.

But...little blunderbuss?

jaw, thank you for the compliment

I am trying to write truthfully and sometimes it doesn't go so well.

"Blunderbuss" because how many times do you get to say "blunderbuss" as an endearment? I mean, there's the weapon, sure, but then there's "buss" as in "kiss," which if you blunder into can be a wonderful thing. Sort of like tripping underneath the mistletoe and just happening to land on someone else's lips. In a good way, not in squashing sort of way.

Of course, there's also "buss" as in "Greyhound bus," which means accidentally getting off in the wrong town, making your map and $2 compass are completely useless.

I just think it's funny, like saying "my dear little pork chop" or something. Meant with affection and perhaps a tiny bit of an accidental smooch.

(Please do not try to follow the wandering path of words in my mind as it will only lead to tears and recriminations. There is no logic, just meandering like a herd of amnesiac cows who are always edlightfully surprised to find dinner in the hay crib right as they're getting hungry.)

It's the best hay ever on the best day ever!

I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

See? And you forgot all about the Unity Pony

Who says epoxy-induced brain damage is a bad thing?

whose bill?

it’s not Emperor Paulson’s bill anymore — It’s the Bush-Frank-Reid-Pelosi-Obama-McCain

Obama and McCain have sponsored this bill how exactly? That's of course assuming there even is a bill, which seems less than clear.

Joe Bob

I really should take a picture of the tree

I think of you every time I see it, but It really is growing IN the terraces (of 2-3 man rocks) between the neighbor's and my yard. I have no idea how we'd get it out.

Maybe I will get brave and do a Madrona post for you.

I saw gqm wandering around here a few days ago.

jjm, do the madrona post

I've been very rudely hijacking lambert's thread and even he ahs his limits. So do the madrona thread and let's have a look at where that tree is. I'll do some research on whether it's even possible to get it out.

I wanted to do the madrona post, but...

I can't figure out how to get a picture into the blog and I don't have my own website anymore, so I can't link it.

I have to go to a class, but I will try again when I get back.

Jen