Keep those cards and letters coming on the Trillion-dollar Giveaway

because voter opinion is actually having an effect.

Members of congress are reporting a deluge of calls, emails and faxes condemning the Trillion Dollar Giveaway (I refuse to call it a “bailout” because it isn’t; it’s a giveaway). The result was defeat in the House on Monday, and the direct effect of those voter contacts can be traced to a specific cohort of House members.

Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com helpfully pulled together the names of representatives who are in close races, people who are most acutely tuned to the will of the people. Relying on “lean” or “tossup” risk status assessments from Swing State Project, he cites a total of 38 vulnerable reps; 20 Republicans and 18 Democrats. Of those 38, 17 Republicans and 13 Democrats voted “Nay” while only 3 Republicans and 5 Democrats voted “Aye.” This 30 to 8 rejection compares to a near-even split, 197 Aye and 198 Nay, among members whose seats are considered “safe.”

As several have commented, this seems like a clear difference. But “seems like” can get you in trouble; let’s put it to a statistical test and see what we really have. The data here are binary, either/or; Voted “Aye” or “Nay”, the seat is at risk or it is not. The simplest way to analyze binary data of this sort is through the use of what is called a Contingency Table and probability analysis using a very simple but very powerful analytical tool called Chi-Square.

Essentially, the method compares the distribution of this data to an idealized "normal" distribution and calculates the odds that the distribution of interest could have occurred at random. That probability is expressed as a “p” value, and the smaller it is the less likely that things happened by chance. Most people, for most examinations, consider p less than 0.05 to be “significant”, that is, the chance of the event happening randomly is so small that it is considered all but impossible.

Here’s how the Contingency Table looks, and the analytical result:

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This low p value means we can conclude, with a very high degree of confidence, that the chances of the distribution happening by random chance are one in a thousand. Putting pressure on politicians works, at least with those who are at risk of losing their office.

An even more definitive comparison can be made with a group of representatives who have little or nothing to fear from voters; those who are retiring from the House and not running for any other office. In this vote there were 26 who fit that description, most of them Republicans. In sharp contrast to those who needed the good will of voters, 23 of the retirees voted “Yea” while only 2 voted “Nay” and 1 abstained.

In comparison with the at-risk group the p value is less than 0.0001, or less than one in ten thousand chance of random occurrence. Those who were most likely to need immediate voter approval opposed a Trillion Dollar Giveaway; those who didn’t need to care what voters think decided to take taxpayer money and use it to make sure that very rich people stay very rich.

While some members of congress may be more susceptible to voter opinion than others, we can’t know exactly where those limits are. It is critically important to keep the pressure up on all of them. Contact your senators, your representative and those who represent districts near you, and the leadership of both parties; every voice counts, please add yours to the tally. You never know who will take the time to listen.

Take, for instance, my Senator Diane Feinstein; Please. She and I don’t agree on a great many things, but in this case she is spot on. (Full disclosure: I quite like DiFi as a person; she’s very kind, very caring and completely genuine. While we disagree on several political matters, I don’t dislike her.) Feinstein has been associated with pro-business positions, and yes FISA FISA FISA. I would have expected her to follow the Village line on this Giveaway and am pleasantly surprised to find that, at least for the moment, she is a great deal more, ah, fiery about it than any Progressive would dare to be.

Yesterday evening I got a very nicely phrased staff-generated email from Feinstein’s office, subject specific to the Giveaway, as a reply to my several emails and phone calls. The memo directed attention to speech Feinstein gave on the topic – empty floor, to be sure, but on the record – with some pretty tasty commentary:

Dear Mr. XXXXXXXXX:

Thank you for your letter expressing concern about Congress' consideration of a plan to meet our Nation's credit crisis with financial help from the Federal Government. This is a difficult situation for which there are no perfect solutions, and I would like to share my thoughts and concerns about this issue with you.

-snip-

Since this announcement, my offices have received thousands of comments from Californians like you concerned about how this action will affect them. Yet, I believe prudent action must be taken. The bill should include the following principles: a phase-in of funding; oversight, accountability and transparency; a mechanism allowing the Secretary of the Treasury to modify mortgages to prevent additional foreclosures; and a precise cap on executive compensation.

-snip-

Attached please find a statement I recently made on the floor of the Senate expressing my feelings on this issue. Please know that I will keep your thoughts in mind as this situation unfolds.

So let’s do that; here are excerpts from that speech:

Mr. President, to date I have received from Californians more than 50,000 calls and letters, the great bulk of them in opposition to any form of meeting this crisis with financial help from the Federal Government. I wanted to come to the floor to very simply state how I see this and some of the principles that I hope will be forthcoming in this draft.

-snip-

Congress is faced with a situation where we have to act and we have to do two things. We have to provide some reform in the system of regulation and oversight that is supposed to protect our economy. We also have to find a permanent and effective solution to keep liquidity and credit functioning so that markets can recover and make profit. The situation, I believe, is grave, and timely, prudent action is needed.

-snip-

Nobody likes the idea of spending massive sums of Government money to rescue major corporations from their bad financial decisions. But no one also should be fooled into thinking this problem only belongs to the banks and that it is a good idea to let them fail.

-snip-

The turbulence in our financial sector has already resulted in thousands of layoffs in the banking and finance sectors, and that number will skyrocket if there is a full collapse. The shock waves of failure will extend far beyond the banking and finance sectors. A shrinking pool of credit would affect the home loans, credit card limits, auto loans, and insurance policies of average Americans.

-snip-

Our Nation is facing the highest unemployment rate in 5 years, at 6.1 percent. Over 605,000 jobs have been lost nationwide this year. My own State of California, a state of 38 million people, has the third highest unemployment rate in the Nation at 7.7 percent. That is 1.4 million people out of work today. One and a half million people -- that is bigger than some States. We have 1.5 million people out of work, and one-half million have had their unemployment insurance expire and have nothing today.

-snip-

I would like to outline quickly those principles that I think are important. First is a phase-in. No one wants to put $700 billion immediately at the discretion of one person…funding should come in phases and Congress should have the opportunity to make its voice heard if the program isn't working or needs to be adjusted.

The second point: Oversight, accountability, and governance. The Treasury Secretary should not and must not have unbridled authority to determine winners and losers, essentially choosing which struggling financial institution will survive and which will not…We must assure that controls are in place to watch taxpayer dollars and make sure they are well-spent fixing the problem…and that they give the best opportunity for the American people to recover their investment and, yes, even eventually make a profit from that investment. That can be done and it has been done in the past.

I believe that frequent reporting to Congress is critical. Transparency, sunlight on this, is critical. So Congress should receive regular, timely briefings, perhaps weekly for the first quarter, on a program of this magnitude.

-snip-

Taxpayer money must be shielded at all costs from risk to the greatest extent possible….So a model…must be developed to ensure the taxpayers are not only the first paid back but have an opportunity to share in future profits through warrants and/or stocks.

As to executive compensation limits, simply put, Californians are frosted by the absence of controls on executive compensation. Virtually all of the 50,000 phone calls and letters mentioned this one way or another. There must be limits. I am told that the reason the Treasury Secretary does not want limits on executive compensation is because he believes that an executive then will not bring his company in to partake in any program that is set up. Here is my response to that: We can put that executive on his boat, take that boat out in the ocean, and set it on fire.

-snip-

Finally, as to tangible benefits for Main Street in the form of mortgage relief, there have been more than 500,000 foreclosures in my home State of California so far this year. In the second quarter of this year, foreclosures were up 300 percent over the second quarter of 2007. More than 800,000 are predicted before this year is over.

I have a city in California where one out of every 25 homes is in foreclosure. This is new housing in subdivisions. As you look at it, you will see garage doors kicked in. You will see houses vandalized. You will see the grass and grounds dry. You will see the street sprinkled with "For Sale" signs, and nobody buys because the market has become so depressed.

This crisis has roots in the subprime housing boom that went bust, and it would be unconscionable for us to simply bailout Wall Street while leaving these homeowners to fend for themselves.

Everything I have been told, and I have talked to people in this business, here is what they tell me: It is more cost-effective to renegotiate a subprime loan and keep a family in a house than it is to foreclose and run the risks of what happens to that home on a depressed market as credit is drying up, as vandals loot it, as landscaping dries up, as more homes in the area become foreclosed upon; the way to go is to renegotiate these mortgages with the exiting homeowner wherever possible…That is better than foreclosing and running the uncertainty of the sale of the asset in a very depressed housing market.

Tighter regulatory oversight, equity participation for taxpayer benefit, at-risk mortgage adjustment, and putting to the torch punishing uncooperative financial executives; not a bad plan, and from one of the Senate’s staunchest centrists.

A word of caution; Diane Feinstein is a bit of a flirt and she has led many of us down the garden path, more than once before. I am, however, hopeful that she will stand firm on these principles and that she can persuade others to stand with her. I have written to ask her to stay strong and to especially try to recruit her close friend and ally, Hillary Clinton, to join her. Please contact your representatives too.

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From one of the few politicians

I still admire (and had the honor of voting for in 1992):

Russ Feingold

“Yesterday’s vote on the bailout proposal in the House of Representatives gives Congress an opportunity to address the major flaws in the proposal. We can do so and still act in an expedited manner.

“First, the negotiators should offset the cost of the proposed bailout so that taxpayers don't get saddled with it. There are plenty of proposals out there that can be considered, including asking Wall Street to bear at least some of the cost. Second, negotiators should add meaningful provisions to help families facing foreclosure. This is more than just a matter of fairness - the housing crisis is the root cause of the credit market collapse, and unless we address it, any rescue package is far less likely to work. Finally, negotiators must address the deeply flawed regulatory structure that paved the way for this crisis. The administration and others have said such reforms must wait for another day, but once a rescue package is enacted, we lose the leverage needed to enact tough reforms to get the financial sector to clean up its act, and we risk having to deal with this same mess all over again.”

Feingold's "meaningful provisions" should be HOLC

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

A few hundred more like Feingold

would be good. That is Step 2, following Step 1 which is to get the Republicans out of office.

setting the boat on fire

damn, that might be even better than putting them out on ice floes with a few cans of dog food [and no can opener].

The lesson of the mutiny on the Bounty

If you start something, finish it; don't leave anything to chance.

Here's why I don't agree.....

From the Boston Globe this AM:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/...

Andre's reasoning

1. There's a problem.

2. The trillion dollar giveaway is the solution.

That seems weak to me, but of course YMMV.

Let's also note that all the reporting on Main Street problems, like the Globe article Andre links to, really started only after the House vote, leading a skeptic like me to question it...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Not true, sorry

Let’s also note that all the reporting on Main Street problems, like the Globe article Andre links to, really started only after the House vote

A couple minutes Googling +"credit crunch" +"main street":

AllBusiness.com, February 6:
http://tinyurl.com/496nzt

Reuters, May 8:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/24506438

ABC News, August 23:
http://tinyurl.com/4ss82j

CNNMoney.com, September 15:
http://tinyurl.com/6qv5gt

Eagle-Tribune (Andover, MA), September 23:
http://tinyurl.com/3etntn

You're right --

I was thinking of recent coverage, where I guess the NOW NOW NOW crowded out the Main Street stuff.

But let me turn the coin over -- Don't those links also speak against the NOW NOW NOW?

Oh, and tiny URLs are evil, for two reasons I keep meaning to post on: (1) Ideally, a URL should be self-documenting (like ours) for the sake of the reader; but more importantly (2) the Internet scales because there is no central authority through which URLs must pass in order to be decoded. However, tinyURLs are such an authority, so they break the architecture. This "service" should not be encouraged.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

No, they don't

Don’t those links also speak against the NOW NOW NOW?

Maybe you should read them. Except for the last one, these aren't opinion pieces; they're just reporting what's happening.

Did you look at the dates? The big alarm bells that inspired the bailout bill didn't start to ring until Sept. 24, so that extreme degree of urgency obviously isn't reflected in any of the stories.

But the first story, from AllBusiness.com, does say "aggressive action" by the government will be necessary to keep small business on a firm footing.

And the last, the Eagle-Tribune editorial (which also reports on local projects that have been derailed by lack of credit)--published the day before Paulson became convinced the economy was about to go down the tubes--concludes, "This financial crisis threatens all Americans. The sooner Congress and the Bush administration act to restore stability, the better."

None of the stories advises against quick government action, although a couple of them do quote various experts saying things ain't so bad (along with others saying the opposite). But again, they were all published before the bailout bill was proposed--three of them well before.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question, but it seems like a non sequitur.

My bad...

The big alarm bells that inspired the bailout bill didn’t start to ring until Sept. 24

That should have been Sept. 17, of course. Which means...

the Eagle-Tribune editorial (which also reports on local projects that have been derailed by lack of credit)—published the day before Paulson became convinced the economy was about to go down the tubes

...the editorial was published on Tuesday the *following* week. (But it was the Tuesday *before* the Monday the House voted down the bailout bill.)

WHEN you call your Senator, be sure to mention HOLC!

New op-ed in favor of HOLC, here.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

wow. talk about the Full Court Press from the SCLM

i'm being forced to listen to enpeearrrgh this morning. and it's only got one message: WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEE! both the national bobbleheads and the local shows are repeating in the strongest polemical terms: we must have the Giveaway right now, or all your jobs, your money, your children, will be deeeestroyed!

it's really rather pathetic. i'm also enjoying the undertone of "stop picking on your helpless fuzzy representatives. leave them aloooooooone!" obviously, the calls and emails are working.

nice post, BIO. friday is the day i'm told the Giveaway will come out of the senate. lucky for us, it's the house that has to pass appropriations. and that's where the Villagers are most vulnerable. punish them. make that call.

What about the kittens?

Will they be destroyed?

And the ponies? Surely there will be ponies!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Full court press indeed, CD

The big money people are afraid they'll have to give up that seventh house in Gstadt, and then where will they stash the mistress and the gold bullion?

They own the MSM, including sadly now most everyone on PBS, so whipping up a frenzy is like flipping a switch.

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated. Tomorrow night I'll go to hang with the grandson, cook dinner and watch Survivor. He's a mega fan, dreams of being on it and winning the Million Dollars, so we analyze strategy and plan what he needs to learn to do. All the camp skills, from making fire to catching critters and eating bugs will I think come in useful as the whole country turns into Survivor 2020, The REAL Reality Show.

At least Feingold sees some of the downside

to passage, especially this:

The administration and others have said such reforms must wait for another day, but once a rescue package is enacted, we lose the leverage needed to enact tough reforms to get the financial sector to clean up its act, and we risk having to deal with this same mess all over again.”

They're pushing like mad for this to pass, however, even as many economists contend that it will not solve the problem! That part of the debate is definitely missing in all the hair-on-fire rhetoric. Feingold's specific concerns only add to the negatives of this "giveaway."

The view from down under

Business Spectator

More likely is that an inadequate bailout will be passed this week and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson will be back for another round with Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank in a few weeks time, and then again in a few months.

GW Bush finally achieves a Grand Coalition

From your Buisiness Spectator link, DC, we read that just as Bush's term is about to expire he has united the major democracies and brought them to focus on one paramount cause:

It’s not just the US. The following countries are now in or close to recession according to Macquarie Bank’s Rory Robertson: the US, the UK, Japan, Italy, Canada, Germany, France, Denmark, Ireland, Iceland, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain and The Netherlands. (Australia anyone?).

Well done, all.

Concentrate on the Senate Today

Since they are voting tonight on the original package.

Personally, I would focus on not giving into the rush to pass something, anything, as if even a tightening of the credit markets, which is happening, means an instant great depression. There is time to take a real look at this entire problem and the possible solutions. Press for hearings next week. The reason for all this opposition is that no one has bothered to convince the American people that this fix is a genuine fix.

Let me also provide this perspective. I'm not sure that any of us should want them to address a real package meant to deal with the underlying problems in an economy clearly heading into recession, and already there in parts of the country right now, when it has to have some Republican votes, and if Bush vetoes, will require a sixty majority passage in the Senate.

The point should be to get through the next four months without the economy going over some kind of cliff that is going to make a recession even deeper. Remember that the Democrats justs tried to get through a stimulus package, a small one that had a lot of what most of us would want - extension of unemployment insurance, etc., and they couldn't pass it.

There's a good chance that there will be a Democratic President and congress with a bigger majority than now come January, and before everyone says, so what, the fact is that Obama's own stated program recognizes the need for government stimulus to combat a recession, and he also knows that relief for homeowners is on the agenda, precisely because it hasn't been addressed in this emergency bill, and probably won't be, because Republicans don't want it.

I'd also emphasize that any bailout must scale back the amount promised, and dole it out in payments, and to limit it to four to six months, so that a new administration doesn't find themselves with their hands tied.

Let me give you some helpful links; here's James Galbraith in the American Prospect in a nuanced explanation of what is at stake in this particular bailout, pros and cons; interesting it's taken from a talk he gave to the congressional Democratic caucus, so you might be able to reference in your phone call or email. He has some surprising things to say about the actual cost of all this.

And here's Robert Kuttner post-the-bailout-failure.

Thanks Leah for the additional comments and links

Today the Senate, tomorrow the House.

Makes no sense to do this in a hurry; as confusing as it all seems, we can know one thing for certain: what ever Bush wants is wrong.

Why should congress have all the fun?

contact the American Bankers Association and Financial Services Roundtable and tell them you want your HOLC.

It is harder for them to put pressure on congress if they are feeling the heat themselves.

Nice to see Feinstein saying this.

Also, here are remarks from twelve senators last week, who were highly critical of the plan. I read that Carl Levin opposes it.

Unfortunately, this week, some opinions have obviously changed. Obama and Biden are returning to DC to vote.

Yea, Lambert, every action

has an equal and opposite reaction. There is 840 billion dollars (minimum) worth of negative equity, a portion of which is in the form of defaults, which any number of banks are holding. The cause of the negative equity is, in a nutshell, the good times we've been living the last several years. The banks that hold this negative equity, especially in the form of defaults, are now cash strapped. If the interest on these defaulted loans is not coming in, they're not getting the cash they lend out. Any number of entities that need cash, just for their daily existence in a good number of cases, can't get it. And that's where the opposite reaction gets ugly.

I agree, HOLC is definitely needed. But please tell me, Lambert, how you proposed to get it passed. Or maybe you could tell me how you plan to get it passed even in an Obama administration. In the meantime, I can't get any cash for payroll for two weeks until I have that big sale in three weeks. Or the town cant do infrastructure improvements because they can't get loans, etc.

Krugman said it very well: it isn't great, not the best solution, but politically it is all we can do right now. How can you disagree with that?

"the good times we’ve been living the last several years"

Whaddaya mean, "we"?

It's not my job to try to be a better politician than the politicians are; I'll leave that to the rotisserie Rovians over at Cheetopia. It's my job, as a citizen, to figure out the best policy solution and advocate for it. If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

Yeah, Krugman did some damage with that column, in my view, because he essentially conceded before the dirty deed was actually done (instead of holding out for more and better) -- and based on a draft, too.

If the Senate doesn't vote this one down, the House ought to. If it takes the knuckledraggers in the House to get that done, as opposed to the suckup so-called Democratic leadership, then so be it.

Then keep Congress in session and do the absolute minimum to bridge the country from here until January, and, who knows, maybe do some hearings, exercise some oversight, and so on, before throwing a trillion dollars at Hank Paulson's golfing buddies, which is just unconscionable. You've read about the Treasury Conference call? The House bill is just as much a sick joke as Paulson's three-pager.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Nevermind (n/t)

!

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

The Foreclosures in California

It struck me last night that that was why my Rep. defied expectations and voted agains this. He's gotta have some areas that are foreclosure hell, almost all Cal reps. do at this point, Nancy. And he's trying to look out for those folks and good for him.

Good to see DiFi gets this. On some things I like her very much, on others she's a disaster. Good to see she's listening on this one. When she chooses to fight, she's quite good at it. I remember several Clinton officials positively terrified of her.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

Video of Foreclosure Alley

in the "Inland Empire" of Southern California. For those unfamiliar with Southern California, the Inland Empire is east of Los Angeles and is where people who couldn't afford housing in Los Angeles and Orange Counties tended to move during the last decade. When 1,000 square foot houses were going for $600,000 in some LA suburbs and not just the fancy ones, families moved out here. Where it's dry, hot and polluted.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

Has the Senate legislation been posted anywhere? Or don't they

do that kind of thing?

Question to Bringiton

why is Obama shilling for this bill so much?

would love to know your opinion since you seem to be against the bailout/giveaway and a strong Obama supporter.

Not much of a mindreader, Inna

Nor am I a strong Obama supporter. For the umpteenth time, what I am is a strong, implacable, unalterable, immutable opponent of the Republican Party - I simply cannot abide having my country run by an utterly ruthless criminal gang. The only option I have to keep the Republicans out of the White House is Obama; I don't want him so much as I must accept him. That is the extent of my "support" until he does something to deserve more.

My guess, and that is all it is, would be that there are three major motivations for Obama's positioning. All of them are the same for McCain, except he has less wiggle-room on positioning himself; he is part of the problem, harder to paint himself as part of the solution.

One, Obama's sole focus now is the election and that is the paramount - if not exclusive - driver for all of his immediate decisions. He needs to be seen by the Undecided Middle as an "active" player and that means being associated with a "solution" regardless of whether the "solution" really is one or not. He has hedged his positions, being for doing something while decrying the need to do something, arguing that to hesitate is wrong while condemning the specific actions being taken. If you read his full statements rather than the media excerpts you see that he is all CYA on this mess, with little real substance; it is all political theater.

If the bill doesn't get passed and things go badly wrong, he can claim he was for doing something; if the bill doesn't pass and nothing much bad happens, he will claim credit for having derailed it with his concerns. If the bill passes and things still go badly he will claim that he had asked for more controls etc but the Republicans wouldn't agree and it is their fault; if the bill passes and things don't collapse he will claim credit for the wise investment in America's future.

Two, this mess is going to seriously impact what can be done during the next four years. The safer route is to back the giveaway now in hopes of avoiding a deep recession. This $1 Trillion isn't going to be as big a problem for project funding and jobs creation as will be the recession; better a big bite now that can be blamed on Bush than a nagging recession that will sooner or later get hung on the next president's neck.

Three, he needs to satisfy his corporate masters. They are a more benign version of dictators than the Republicans' owners, but they are still Corporatists and they want to keep their money. If their assets are not protected, there won't be as much in the way of cash donations for Democratic candidates including and especially Barack Obama. The point of the spear is aimed directly at his neck.

I hope I can say without being seen as a "Strong Obama Supporter" that while he and McCain are sounding very similar on this because the pressures on both of them are the same, I still think that the Republicans are the greatest evil on the Planet today and must be driven from office.

If Hillary were the Democratic nominee, I believe she would be making similar moves precisely because in this compressed time frame the events are controlling positions rather than the other way around. She is much more free to speak and act as the junior Senator from New York than she would be as the nominee, and still she has hedged her positions and been pretty tepid. As the nominee she would be more constrained, and while she might sound differently the sum and substance would not be any different than Obama and McCain.

Match the Senator to the Giveaway

Which Senator has an interest in rum taxes? Which in children's wooden toys? It might be fun and useful to figure out which Senator is behind which giveaway? Who is selling out cheap and who isn't?

(h/t nakedcapitalism)

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

Full Text of Senate Bill

is supposed to be here according to Calculated Risk. My Windows machine handles pdfs so badly, I can't confirm that. Fucking Windows.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

Fuck PDF, it's a proprietary format

That's what we have public markup for!

And Cheese & Crackers, I told CR about it, too, so WTF?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Senate bill summary

Three pages of Giant Dildo wrapped in 448 pages of lube.

All the more reason to not do this thing so abruptly. If the American people do not have the time to read and digest it, how can they give their representatives direction on how to vote?

The Paulson 3-pager was unacceptable because it contained no operational detail. This one is buried in detail, so complex it couldn't be sorted through and understood in a week, much less in a couple of hours.

Legal Principles 101: Never sign a document you don't understand.

BDBlue, are you going to read all

450+ pages?

Wonder what's hidden in the fine print.

Not Going to Read All 450+ Pages

but the link above about the giveaways should give you a pretty good idea. Pork and more giveaways are what's in the fine print.

The reason I'm not going to read the entire thing is that I'm tied up in RL until later and by then it will be too late.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

I was kidding, actually.

I'll have to see what part of the pig MI gets, since we're approaching a depression in some areas, according to Crain's Detroit.

Public Markup

What's in the fine print? Well, buying toxic waste from foreign

banks. Not new, but I thought it had been taken out. However, According to Rep. Brad Sherman, D-CA, Paulson said that if this portion is removed, he would recommend that Bush veto the bill. The "must pass immediately" bill. And this is non-negotiable. Hhhmmmm.

On interview with Kudlow Rep. Sherman said this:

... The Bank of Shanghai can transfer all of its toxic assets to the Bank of Shanghai of Los Angeles which can then sell them the next day to the Treasury. I had a provision to say if it wasn't owned by an American entity even a subsidiary, but at least an entity in the US, the Treasury can't buy it. It was rejected.
The bill is very clear. Assets now held in China and London can be sold to US entities on Monday and then sold to the Treasury on Tuesday. Paulson has made it clear he will recommend a veto of any bill that contained a clear provision that said if Americans did not own the asset on September 20th that it can't be sold to the Treasury.

Hundreds of billions of dollars are going to bail out foreign investors. They know it, they demanded it and the bill has been carefully written to make sure that can happen.

Global Economic Analysis has language from the New, Improved Paulson Fix (Is In).

Again, per Sherman, Paulson said if it's not there, he will recommend Bush veto the bill. Period. The all important bill which must be passed NOW, NOW, NOW.

Found at Don's post on The Agonist, with video of commentary on it--which mentions that early on China had been talking about the need for the US to take over toxic waste sold overseas and is now not mentioning it. Bcz it's a done deal? I have no idea. But this is gonna cost us a lot.

And under the new SEC rule, the banks give the value of the asset.... That does solve the problem of the Big Banker Boiz not wanting to sell if they lose too much on their toxic waste. But we will lose, it seems.

Rep. Roy Blount on NPR this evening was bamboozling away like mad. No chance any taxpayer money will be lost over short term. Hey, what's not to like?

Wanna buy a bridge in NYC?

Uh oh. Bloomberg and Paterson just may have to sell some of those assets... Oh, my.

OK, what's going on? I tried to post a comment twice--hit post

Neither has shown up--is something wrong with my computer? Anyone else having the same problem?

And, no, I hadn't copied--either time. I figured second time it would take. Help!

Caught in the spam filter

I just dequeued it.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

How do you write

450 pages of gobbledygook so quickly?

Hee.

Oh, thanks much, Lambert! --NewsHour covering Christmas Tree

ornaments in the Paulson Fix.

$100B in additional expenditures and tax breaks. None of it is paid for--Blue Dog Dems may buck this--and half of them voted for the first versions of The Fix.

Is this the final version of the bill, or are goodies still being added as they debate?

Fear mongering is going full bore today. May be accurate, but, who knows? Who can trust the pols or the MCM?

Kay Bailey Hutch

is a yes.

The reason we are all against the giveaway

is because we are feeling vengeful. Revenge is clouding our judgment and fiscal foresight. At least according to the behavioral economist interview just now by Marketplace:
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/displ...

I don't buy that

Wanting to see a bailout plan that's not trickle-down Hooverism is not vengeful - it's just common sense based on the last time we went through something this huge.

Wanting to see gambling not rewarded by a government bailout is also not vengeful. Besides being the fair way to go at it, it's classical operant (stimulus-response) conditioning (if we're bringing behaviorism into the discussion).

Wanting to see our country not turn into a bankrupt, third world banana republic is also not vengeful.

If I were being vengeful, I'd be proposing capital punishment for anyone in the brokerage or banking industry. I'm not vengeful - torture will suffice.

Neither do I

Just sounded like another way of saying "Let your betters do the thinking, you are either too stupid or to emotional to understand what's best for you." It was just too sad to hear this on NPR.

Well...

If Hillary were the Democratic nominee, I believe she would be making similar moves...

We'll never know. But she would have been acting the part of a leader, because we've seen her do it.

Obama? Not so much.

We will never know about Hillary

but I'm not so impressed by "acting" the leader either; real leadership is what's needed. It will be interesting to watch Hillary over the next few years and see what she's made of, see if the campaign truly was a transforming experience. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong in my doubtfulness if she takes a leading role in The Great Progressive Uprising.

BIO,

the damage has been done.

And no one will be held accountable, it seems, even with a change in the White House.

How utterly disappointing.