
Krugman resolutely persists a fantasy Obama with good values and poor tactics:
Would he stand firm for the values he believes in... Mr. Obama effectively conceded the policy argument... [his Republican] opposition [is] calling his bluff in the belief that he can be counted on to fold... [Obama's making] gestures of appeasement to the G.O.P. ... a complete failure of purpose and loss of direction [... not doing] his part [... , not providing] the leadership [the Democratic Party] needs.
In this fantasy world, Obama wants good things but is a "Kick Me" sign-wearing wimp, ineffectually fighting conservative policy against "scorched-earth competition."
The Most Powerful Man on Earth reliably supports conservative policies. Yet he's not a conservative. Funny, that.
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Krugman also said there was a moral collapse in the WH, and Democrats should look elsewhere for leadership. I think he nailed the situation sufficiently.
The liberty of democracy is not safe if people tolerate growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism.---FDR
IMHO, it's particularly important and instructive
To scrutinize the frames of criticism. In Krugman's frame, Obama and his party are underachievers, not active opponents of good policy. Such criticism blindly or willfully does not tell the essential truth.
I guess I just don't read
"moral collapse" that way. IMO, that suggests he doesn't just think Obama is a dupe.
The liberty of democracy is not safe if people tolerate growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism.---FDR
I've definitely become a
I've definitely become a convert to the view that Obama (at least most of the time) does X because he WANTS to do X. There is definitely value in arguing that the most accurate frames be applied with respect to his motives, even though you can ever really be completely CERTAIN about them.
Because as long as people persist in believing that Obama's heart is in the right place, they'll continue to think his presidency can be saved if only he'd learn some Political Lesson X. Whereas those of us who believe that his heart IS NOT in the right place are not wasting our time on an impossible task.
In the end though, motive isn't the most important thing. Results are. So whether the guy is naive, incompetent, scared, a bad leader, a bad negotiator, stupid, a corporate sellout, a very conservative democrat, or a republican mole, the guy has GOT to go.
Aristotle once again
"You are what you repeatedly do."
At some point, the best test of intention becomes outcome.
So, what does Obama repeatedly do? What are the outcomes?
Ya know, back in the day -- not sure I can find the links on this -- I said it would take three years to take Obama down, thinking back to 2003, when I started blogging, to 2006.* It looks like I was too, er, conservative. This isn't to say that a small blog that everybody hates and nobody reads did very much, even though "we knew Obama was a fraud before it was cool." I thought then, and I think now, that 10,000 blogs with small readerships had just as much to do with that success as the blogs at the top of the power curve, because in the aggregate, the totals are the same, and the writing is better, more authentic, and more locally grounded (for example).
NOTE * When the friggin Ds had the chance to do the right thing, and Leader Nance took impeachment off the table immediately." Actually, for me, the Foley scandal was the tell. It happened in 2006, spanned the transition from R to D, and one of the first things Pelosi did was hush it up.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Krugman's piece is devastingly critical of Obama -- he cannot
know for sure WHY Obama is doing these things, nor can we. He, as we do, looks as WHAT he is doing and its effects on the body politic. He sees disasterous actions, with conservative leanings, which will lead to continued pain for many people in this nation and for a long, long recovery which will leave many people permanently economically, perhaps psychologically, damaged.
For the bully pulpit Krugman has, at the establishment paper which the NYTimes is, I think this is a very strong, clear, and unremittingly critical attack IMHO. But my opinion is also based on what he's been saying in his blog area of the NYTimes; many readers have never seen those postings, I would think, so perhaps based just on his op-ed's, he needs to do more clear educating of the general readership.
Here, where we've got more freedom to speculate and also have had time for many of us to internalize that Obama is, all together now!, a conservative, we are further along on the learning curve than the general public. Krugman is, I think, trying to educate and influcence readers of the NYTimes, without scaring them off.
Of course, I cannot know what he is thinking. I can speculate that Krugman is coming to grips with what seems unthinkable, that an elected Democractic president is actually a conservative. A real true DINO
. And a danger to the common weal.
Reading through the op-ed, I can't find one sentence which exonerates Obama or praises him. And Krugman is now noting that the Dems in Congress need be their own leaders and strike off on their own. In order to survive? In order to do at some things to help their constituents? Clearly, there is no good leadership to be found coming from Obama
This is very strong tea for the NYTimes. Comments should be interesting.
There is a world of difference...
... between mistakenly operating like the Democrats are on our side and merely weak and recognizing that they are not on our side.
Those two perspectives yield decidedly different actions on our part.
Krugman and other career liberals set the outer bounds of dissatisfaction with Obama at something short of definitive rejection, a very bad mistake.
I think the last graf says Dems have to reject Obama as leader-
And what good is a prez who can't lead? And also seems more likely to follow the Repubs' legislative lead and NOT the Dems'?
He's given readers lots to think about, and none of it is good about Obama as president or as a Democrat.
Yes, Krugman still believes there is a viable Democratic Party. Which leaves it up to the Congressional Dems to finally demonstrate there is such a party....
If Krugman comes to believe both Obama and the Dems crap out, then...how will he react? To be determined.
I'll bet you that within the next two weeks...
Krugman will again characterize Obama as someone with good intentions, which means someone who is not our political opposition.
If Obama is not our political opposition, all manner of reasons not to actively oppose him will continue to be easy to rationalize, and the vast majority of lefties/liberals/progressives/Democrats will do just that.
Maybe Obama will invite Krugman to dinner again...off the record
of course....
This is a very important point to keep making
I agree with Ian that the left must take Obama down, AND BE SEEN to take Obama down.
By continuing to credit Obama with good intentions, Krugman prevents that from happening.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
He is Preventing It
For our part we must start calling for Obama's immediate resignation.
my guess
is that krugman doesn't believe that there's a viable democratic party so much as he's hoping that there's still a viable democratic party.
Hey, Peter Daou sees what you see...
http://peterdaou.com/2010/12/the-new-oba...
Personally, I've always maintained Obama is an incompetent and a conservative.
The liberty of democracy is not safe if people tolerate growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism.---FDR
Heh, comments are closed on that one
I wonder why?
Please, can we put a stake in the heart of the incompetence meme? Obama is an extremely competent conservative. Just look what he's done:
1. Normalized Bush's executive power grab, including torture, and extended it, to assassination of US citzens;
2. Normalized the Iraq war (the troops and bases are still there, right?) and started a whole new one;
3. Normalized 10% nominal (20% real) unemployment;
4. Reinforced the power of the big banks with the bailouts; and
5. Reinforced the power of the health insurance companies with HCR
;
6. Destroyed the branding of the career "progressives," even though, when it counted, they ignored #3, ignored #4, and helped out with #5, and
7. Destroyed the branding of the Ds, such as remained of it.
I'd say that, for a conservative, that's an excellent track record, and indicates that Obama is extremely competent. One may think Obama is incompetent is one imagines that government exists for public purpose, but that assumes facts not in evidence, at least with this administration.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Comments closed at Daou's? or Krugman's? At 12:14PM loads of
new comments came through at Krugman's -- 669 comments as I type.
I haven't read all (long slog, many longish comments), but what I did read range from knee jerk Republican criticism to thank dog, Prof., you've caught on that this is a conervative DINO
prez. Mostly, readers agreed, in the ones I read, with Krugman.
And I have so much RL stuff to do...no reading until after dark, at best.
I think we look at competence differently.
His job is to manage the executive branch of the federal government. IMO, he is an incompetent primarily because his philosophy doesn't allow for competently managing the federal government.
Let me put it this way, that unemployment is creeping back up speaks to his incompetence. How did we here? His philosophy.
The liberty of democracy is not safe if people tolerate growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism.---FDR
If unemployment is his goal or a side-effect he doesn't
care about, he's not "incompetent."
Heh, when I saw Krugman this morning I decided he's baiting you
--there is just so much grist for the "category error" mill, it almost had to be on purpose!
That said, I'm glad to see him hitting the White House pretty hard. It would, of course, be better if he'd burst the surly bonds of civility, but how likely is that?
We will push and push and push until some larger force makes us stop.
The thing about Obama, and
The thing about Obama, and the Democrats, is not that he/they fought the good fight and lost. It's that they never fought at all. The only hardball they ever played was with their own base. More than that, as Chief Executive, there were all kinds of things that Obama could have done on his own without the Congress from ending the wars to prosecuting Bush Administration and Wall Street wrongdoers, including progressives in his Administration, closing Guantanamo, ending DADT, not creating the Cat Food commission, etc.
Add in all the Wall Street bailouts and the healthcare sellouts and what you have is not a poor liberal record but a good conservative one. You see if Obama was a poor performing liberal we would still expect him to make overtures to liberals and deliver at least in those areas where he could. But what we see is that even in areas where he has wide latitude and complete discretion he doesn't.
As for Krugman he is a Trojan horse working for the Establishment and the Democrats. Until and unless he breaks with the Democrats and the elites to which he belongs, he will remain what he is a shill. Criticism without opposition just delays and distracts. It's the same problem I have with sites like FDL. They rail against the Democrats, but then turn around and tell us how important it is to support this Democrat or that Democratic initiative. But what they won't say is that scary and crazy as the Republicans are at the end of the day we get from the Democrats what we would get from the Republicans. That's why their and Krugman's critiques ring hollow.
Hugh
Anglachel has a very, very nasty intuition
Here:
It's like Obama's playing "Now I've Got You, You Son Of A Bitch!" except with the Ds for whom, ostensibly, he's the party leader.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Not "like an act of revenge"
I agree with Anglachel on all but this point: Almost like an act of revenge.
What strikes me about President Obama's behavior is not any feeling of vengefulness but its complete and utter indifference. He doesn't care enough about anyone to even seek revenge. (If anything, the perception of revenge is a projection of others' disappointment, not a description of Obama's motivation.)
Classic narcissistic behavior. Here's a description:
That sounds eerily consistent with the behavior of…?
(Of course, Obama can be—and, to me, is—both deeply conservative and pathologically narcissistic.)
Every apathetic citizen is a silent enlistee in the cause of inverted totalitarianism.—Sheldon Wolin
Oh and that quote Daou
Oh and that quote Daou uses:
I've been calling Obama a Blue Dog status quo corporatist for an age. I should add that Obama did not run as a Blue Dog. Sure, you can see the Blue Dogism there in his campaign policy positions, but that is not how he sold himself to voters. The change in "Change we can believe in" was not an embrace of Blue Dog values but progressive ones.
Hugh
I don't know
Most of Obama's campaign policy positions were bland and substanceless enough (and constantly shifting enough -- as daily revisions of his website showed) that they can't really be qualified as being part of any particular political stripe. Maybe vaguely leftish (of Attila the Hun). Except the conservative ones -- they had specifics and consistency.
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen
I never voted for Obama, but
I never voted for Obama, but his "Change we can believe in" was predicated on a thorough rejection of all things Bush. What we got instead was a continuation and expansion of Bush. That is what people are reacting against. Even the lack of emphasis on jobs is straight out of the Bush Administration. Bush had a terrible jobs creation record even before the start of the December 2007 recession.
I agree that the details of his conservative agenda were there in his campaign positions, but most people again were focused on the larger, and vaguer, promise to reverse Bush's policies.
Hugh
"It's not nice to con the kitty"--A saying in our family which
came about due to my brother teasing one of our cats by pretending to have a treat for him, then laughing when the cat came over to him and got only an empty hand.
It's not nice to con the voters, either.
That cat eventually learned to not trust my brother's calls to him; voters seem to be figuring this out as well.
In a way, the grandiosity of "hope and change" backfired
In exactly the same way that millions could project all their dreams onto the vague slogan, so millions can now measure their daily lives against "hope and change" and see that nothing was delivered.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
"I wld nt join any club tht wld have someone like me 4 a member"
Groucho Marx or Barack Obama's subconscious re Democratic Party?
I loved Krugman pinning the metaphoric "kick me" sign on Obama's back, but somewhere the evil MOTU
are probably offering him a Manchurian cigar for the sabotage he has carried on and continues to -- continuation of the Bush devastation.
Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. (Japanese proverb)
Papantonio on Obama psychology, "You'll never be one of them!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvePQXdYs...
Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. (Japanese proverb)