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10:37 PM KY H 65 - 30 = 35 (100%).That's it. Of course, only racists vote for Clinton, so it doesn't really matter. Double shot? Cinnamon?
Check the background. What are these "votes" of which you speak?
Just sayin. I mean, I understand where Obama's coming from completely, but completely -- disenfranchising two states and suppressing the vote in others is a critically important quality in seeming Presidential, and naturally Obama would be concerned with that. Why, just look at George Bush!
The photo above is from Agence France Presse. This one is from AP:
My goodness! They cropped out the signage, didn't they? Somehow, "Count The Vote" turned into "Vote".... They know the drill...
9:46 PM KY H 65 - 30 = 35 (99%). That took forever. Felt like the ballots were being flown in from Gary....
McClatchy didn't get the meta-victory memo in time, plus juicy quotes!
Obama returns to Iowa, hoping to declare victory tonight
It's also a stroke of political theater to mask some bad news Tuesday and overly dramatize the good, suggested one analyst."That's his way of putting pressure on the superdelegates," said Dennis Goldford, a political scientist at Drake University in Iowa. "But they've heard it already. They're already expecting it.
"And it's his way of throwing some sand in the lens of the camera Tuesday night when he's getting shellacked in Kentucky."
Obama trails Clinton in Kentucky by an average of 29 percentage points, according to a tally by the Web site www.realclearpolitics.com. He leads in Oregon by an average of 12 points.
29, eh? Turns out to be 35. Let's hope the OR polling is just as reliable.
Premature triumphalism from Kit:
9 p.m. | Show Us the Money: Here’s the word from the Obama campaign: He raised $31.3 million in April. ‘Nuff said. (No dollar amount yet from the Clinton camp.) Mr. McAuliffe said earlier that the Clinton haul would cross the $10 million mark.
And then:
9:05 p.m. |Money Talks: Whoops. Clinton campaign says she raised $22 million. That’s a pretty big haul.
That it is. Especially for someone our famously free press is leaving for dead. Eh?
9:15 PM KY H 65 - 30 = 35 (97%).
8:42 PM KY H 65 - 30 = 35 (83%). I guess 40 isn't within reach.
8:35 PM KY H 65 - 31 = 34 (83%).
WCPO, Louisville:
Local yokels transgress the unwritten law
[Obama's] been acting as if he already has the nomination.
Are they allowed to say that?
The more they get to know him, the less they like him:
From Obama's spreadsheet, predicting a 12-pt loss. It would be nice if that were off by a factor of two.(Hat tip, BDBlue.)
8:13 PM KY H 64 - 32 = 32 (60%). Ding ding ding ding ding! Over thirty.
Arranging the next endorsement? She who will not link to Corrente, live blogging:
7:55 p.m. | Where’s the Obama Camp?: Anyone else surprised that the Obama campaign seems to be letting this long time void be filled up so completely by Clinton advocates?
Feed me!
8:06 PM KY H 62 - 34 = 28 (55%). Heading up to 30%.
8:00 PM KY H 59 - 37 = 22 (52%).
7:50 PM KY H 58 - 38 = 20 (43%). WH-E-E-E-E-E-E!
More than 2,000 miles away in Oregon, where voters will also cast ballots Tuesday, Obama is leading Clinton by four percentage points, 45%-41%. Overall, Obama has a 10.8% lead over Clinton according to an average compiled by RealClearPolitics.com. Obama’s lead has varied greatly in Oregon polls — a recent American Research Group gave him a 5% point lead, 50%-45%, but a poll by the Portland Tribune gave him a double digit 20% lead, 55%-35%.
Nobody knows anything. The RealClear spread has Obama by 12.
7:44 PM KY H 57 - 40 = 17 (40%). WHEEEEEE!
7:23 PM KY H 56 - 41 = 15 (27%). Dropping like a rock.
Liveblogging Obama's (non)victory rally
Now Team Obama is bending over backwards to make it clear that he won't actually, like, declare victory, because that would look high-handed. (And if there's one thing Barack Obama never does, it's act condescendingly. Got that, sweetie?) This is, of course, an ingenious plan, emerging directly no doubt from David Axelrod's Moustache of Ingenuity, since it allows Obama to avoid triumphalism, to stress party unity, to seem like such a shoo-in he doesn't even need to declare victory, and to have the media report tonight as if it were a victory celebration after all.
It's not a non-victory; it's a meta-victory!
7:12 PM KY H 52 - 45 = 7 (20%).
7:01 PM KY H 50 - 0 47 = 3 (15%. This is Louisville and Lexington. Hillary's margin should increase; CNN just called it.)
6:33 PM. KY H 52 - 0 44 = 8 (5% reporting)
Here we go. Polls close in OR at 8PM PST/11PM EST. Long night...
Obama's Iowa plans have air of victory
Barack Obama heads back to the scene of his first breakthrough triumph tonight, hoping to use Iowa as a backdrop to announce that he's gained enough pledged delegates to all but clinch the Democratic presidential nomination.
Which, if you know the rules, is just deeply bogus. It's not even wrong. Shoddy stenography that mindlessly repeats Obama's talking points. Though it's true they're not using the word "victory." Just "all but clinch."
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The reason it is so close
Is that the places with a higher Obama turnout are getting turned in 1st. A majority of that number comes from Jefferson Co, where I live, and Fayette Co, where UK is.
Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond
I can't watch election coverage on television
That is a special condition of my parole.
BTW - Shouldn't "news anchor" be the weight used to keep the body of a bloviating gasbag from rising to the surface?
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King of the Hill
Is what's on my TV, I'm getting my results from the link above.
Also, the western part of the state is on a different time zone, so the polls are about to close now(yeah, beer for sale!) It is heavily Dem, and will go heavily to Clinton, IMO. The spread will increase as those come in.
Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond
I'm watching "Everybody Love Raymond"
The most dysfunctional television family since the Bundys.
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Donna Brazile
On CNN right now...
Wolf Blitzer made a point of disclosing that Donna is a 'neutral' super delegate.
Why is she still playing games?*
*completely rhetorical
Next up...
a discussion of Hillary's 'allegations' of misogyny!!!
*grabs popcorn*
ok on delegates, i guess--
this really is an asinine process entirely...
My psychic predictions for tonight--KY-Hillary by 25-30%, and OR-Obama by 1-3%.
OR Closes at 11 p.m ET
8 p.m. PT.
Donna Brazile has already admitted she's a decided SD, she's just "undeclared." That she gets away with this is a travesty. At least Carville never claimed to be neutral and was entertaining. He also hasn't arguably done more harm to the Democratic Party in the last 20 years than almost any other single figure.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
What do you mean, harm?
What's wrong with shedding uncreative Democrats?
Thanks for the 8 vs. 11 correction; fixed.
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Blitzer said neutral and undeclared.
AND...
their republican analyst just said that some women are in FACT 'bitches' and Hillary is just that. (can' be mad at that, RIGHT?)
The two women, Donna and what's her ass...barely said a peep. Donna really didn't say boo.
And there you have it.
Stunning.
sick
just sick....all of them.
He said that?
He actually said that (some) women were bitches "in fact?" My God, what next? Some Latinos are "in fact" spics? Slurs are inexcusable and yet when it comes to misogynistic ones everyone and their mother confuse them with mere foul language, on par with rudeness rather than bigotry.
Donna Brazile
thinks you're a dumbfuck, that's why she does what she does.
And no, she's not going to argue against anything that vilifies the Clintons. Stepping on them is her stairway to power - she thinks.
Note absence of any strong Hillary supporter - message to audience, "We couldn't find a single person to speak for that loser bitch."
MSNBC called KY for her
already, and now they're back to their crush, Obama, and done with her.
(oh, and they're throwing in how hickish it is and like WV and how conservative...)
Alex Castellanos
Who is one of the most awful GOP operatives around. He is sexist and racist and awful. I got to "enjoy" some of his work in North Carolina on behalf of Jesse Helms against Harvey Gantt. You can see one of his more famous ads, the horrific "Hands" - here. That CNN has him on is a travesty. The man should be unwelcome in any decent society.
Ick, now I need a shower to clear myself of my memories of that Helms-Gantt race. You want racism, that was racism. The Hands ad wasn't even the worst one. Although I did break my rule about no bumper stickers on my car and proudly displayed a "Vote Against Hate
, Vote Against Helms" one all that year. Until I had to take it in for repair and it came out of the shop without it.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
they have gamblin' BIll Bennett, and Ed Rollins
and all sorts of GOP pigs, no?
and on MSNBC it's just 2 GOP pigs--Buchanan and Scarborough--they and Harold Ford are the only ones not parroting their Obama-good-and he-has-no-problems-at-all-getting-working-class-white-votes, Hillary-evil-and-delusional-and-should-just-get-out-party line.
Those 3 are saying that Obama has to work to win these voters and show up and sweat--which is true.
There was one person
Who agreed with Hillary. The other male.
**the republican is now missing from Lou Dobb's panel, LOL**
The republican then countered the male with, "some women are bitches, and it's a valid characterization for a woman who is shrill etc etc...like Hillary sometimes is..."
Good Times!
OR voters didn't care about economy as much as
KY apparently...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...
If 90% of KY Dems are white and 72% of them
voted for Hillary, that's gonna be WV type numbers.
(I was watching CNN, don't tell my P.O.)
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i can't believe CNN is treating Obama's "majority"
as some real metric--even when they know 5/31 is FL/MI meeting.
The question will be if Obama tops 30%
I think he will, but I'm not sure he tops 35%.
I suspect if you look at exit polls, the predictor of Hillary's strength will be economic concerns. She won whites in Indiana worried about the economy. The more likely a voter was to say the recession affected them, the greater Hillary's vote. I suspect that will be true for non-AA voters generally.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Tweety
is being an idiot--McAuliffe is saying that if Obama really was the winner and it was over the remaining supers would have moved to him already and they haven't--so Tweety's changing the subject immediately to racism as usual.
and now a doubleteam--
Olbermann and Tweety against McAuliffe.
And they don't accept that Hillary's better on national security than Obama. (she is bec she's more hawkish)
As John Edwards Goes...
So does not go the white working class and rural voters. He was about as much help to Obama with Kentuckians as Ted Kennedy was with latin@s in California. Obama still lost 2-1.
Maybe one of these days Obama will deign to grace Eastern Kentucky with his presence and be man enough to ask people for their votes. Although he doesn't seem to like doing that, does he?
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
too much work, i guess--
i haven't heard a word about Edwards at all tonight, after 2 days of how he would help Obama non-stop.
Only Pat Buchanan is not on Obama's payroll on MSNBC--so sad.
Actually *ask* people for their votes?
Brilliant!
Ouch
look at the results in some of the rural counties. 80+ for Hillary. Obama can't win on urban hubs alone. The guy has no constituency. And some of these rural voters have harder times getting to their precincts than urbanites. That should show that the intensity of Hillary's support is high. Byrd is endorsing a soon to be loser.
For Obama's next Super-D endorsement...
even when they know 5/31 is FL/MI meeting.
The 'fix' is in.
The committee will seat the delegates in a way that will probably give Obama even more pledged delegates than he deserves.
All they're waiting on are the results from KY.
He only needs enough delegates (1627 according to CNN) for it all to work.
They've telegraphed the entire endgame.
Hillary needs a huge margin in KY. (no jelly)
Wow
Obama's getting 20% in Marshall County. The KKK must be dying out there.
Marshall is the most racist county in KY, in like 1995, 90% of residents were a member of the KKK. Of course there is still the opportunity to disappoint, since the vote is at 8%.
Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond
for real?
who do they hate on when there are so few blacks? (us jews, us gays, and hispanics?)
that Sirota race thing
is big now at MSNBC--they're parroting that thing about percent of AA pop in states determining who wins--but that Obama wins the states that touch IL, which kills the thing since KY touches it (but they're neglecting to mention that conveniently, and also how it doesn't work for the Northeast at all bec he would have lost CT and won NH but did the opposite...)
It's a real wierd place
I used to go to college in Western Kentucky(not Western Kentucky University, it's further to the east), it's where I met by fiance. All my knowledge of the area comes from him.
If you look at the map, there are two gigantic lakes which separate it from the rest of the state. That pretty much sums it up, it is it's own little island of strangeness.
They hate blacks, though there aren't any. There are only Mexicans during tobacco season, but they are too busy taking advantage that they only gace to pay them $7/hr vs the $14/hr locals charge, to hate on them. There are Jews in Calloway County, it's the 2nd highest retirement location in the country after FL. They live in little segregated suburbs, so they don't get fucked with. The racists just pretty much drive to KKK rallies, since there isn't anyone close by to burn crosses for.
In Graves Co, you have the most corrupt justice system in the state. All the cops deal drugs, there is some big time mob activity(I hope they aren't reading this blog). My fiance was involved in some of it in his teen years, being an orphan living on his own and desperate for income, so he sold drugs and fenced stolen property. Him and his BF used to steal coke and weed from the trunk of his friend's dad's police cruiser. The district judge was arrested in Fulton Co for driving under the influence of cocaine, was sentenced to six months in jail, and was allowed out on work release to sit on the bench in Graves.
All the states are dry, except McCracken, so the only thing to do as my fiance puts it, are "Smoke, Fuck
, and Steal." Fishing is high on the list too, but you have to drive to get beer first, soooo.
Also, in Calloway County, a Murray State student decided he needed to drive to FL and murder the parents of his girlfriend, with her involvement. When they were caught, they pawned a story about a vampire cult to the police, and claimed the murder was a ritual. For awhile it was quite all right to hate on those who weren't obviously Christian, like gays and pagans, and anyone wearing black. Jews were safe. Seriously, there were several incidents of students who were wearing black being terrorized and beaten in the streets. This I saw first hand.
Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond
yup--weird--
you have to leave KY to get liquor? even tho Bourbon and stuff comes from there? that's way too weird...
And isn't there some big party town right next to Ohio or something too?
When I Was Growing Up There
KY distilled more liquor per capita than any other state in the United States and had more dry counties. It has a love-hate relationship with the stuff.
In fact, until the late 1980s, you couldn't buy alcohol in a store or a restaurant on Sunday and almost all stores were closed in Lexington.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
we used to have blue laws too --
got rid of those, thank God : >
Message from Hillary
I just received via Facebook:
"Every time we win
Once again tonight, you and I stood together and showed America what we're made of.
Every time we win another state, we prove something about ourselves and about our country. And did we ever prove something tonight in Kentucky.
We showed America that the voters know what the "experts" will never understand -- that in our great democracy, elections are about more than candidates running, pundits commenting, or ads blaring.
They're about every one of us having his or her say about the path we choose as a nation. The people of Kentucky have declared that this race isn't over yet, and I'm listening to them -- and to you.
Your unshakeable commitment to that principle and your willingness to keep forging ahead inspire me every day. Let's keep supporting one another in these crucial days ahead.
All the best,
Hillary"
Go Global!
Averaging out the CNN exit poll results
for men and women, I'm estimating HRC65%-BHO29% for a 34 %margin of victory.
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As in WVA, Hillary Ate Into His Base
Per the CNN exit polls, she won every level of education, including post-graduate and college graduates, every age group, and every income level. She also won every ideology and independents.
No surprise, 58% of voters like the gas tax holiday. It's good politics, which of course is why so many Democrats have to denounce it.
And, oooh, this is bad news for Obama, fewer than half the voters said he was honest and trustworthy. Yikes. 64% said Clinton was.
Also bad, as in Indiana, a slight majority said that Obama shared Wright's views (or some of them). These folks voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. Yeah, that issue, totally behind him.
You can find the exit poll results (which probably still need to be weighted) at http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari...
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
even w/ the "committed Christian" bs flyers too
--that's bad
he really can't get a majority of American voters.
57%-40%
with 40% in.
Go Global!
seeing Olbermann/Tweety and their sour faces
makes me happy : >
Jeff and Fayette Counties
Almost entirely in. The rest is going to be very bad for Obama. Heck, he's barely winning Jeff County. Doing a little better in Fayette (Lexington). Jesus, in Floyd County she's beating him 92-5.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Bingo!
That should be our narrative going into tomorrow. How many counties did Obama get less than 20%, 15%? And it takes a hell of a lot more to get rural folk out to vote. Make no mistake, WV and KY are a big cheek scratch to the DNC and the media. White working men are going for Hillary now because she is giving cheek scratches to the overlords with every win. When you work your tail off every day, you can't help but respecting others who do as well. F*** the racism charge.
that, and she's tough--
the tough/wimpy thing is very evident--esp bec he's not even bothering to fight for any votes.
I Think The KKK Moved Up Into Western KY
after being driven out of another state, IIRC. And, yes, Western Kentucky has sections that are almost not even part of the greater United States. There are places there I wouldn't expect Obama to go. But most of the state, especially Eastern KY, would have been worth him going to. For most of the state I think race is a hurdle, but not one that could not be overcome. But he didn't even try. Leaders lead and he didn't.
I should say that by try, I do not mean going hunting or wearing a flag pin or pretending to be someone you're not. People know when they're being condescended to. What he should do is tell them he isn't like them, he doesn't know what it's like to mine coal, but he does care about them and wants an America where everyone has a chance to prosper. Bobby Kennedy and FDR weren't one of them either, but they respected them. That's mostly what these folks, like everyone else, wants.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
yup--all voters demand it--
and he doesn't even bother (and that's ignoring the insults and dismissals of millions)
64-32
with 61% reporting. I wonder if there will be CDs where Obama isn't even viable.
And if Obama says they knew this was coming, they didn't. His spreadsheet predicted a 56-42 loss.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
ahh! Bill's smiley tonight--
that's a good sign.
looks like Tipper and Kay Lenz
are behind her on tv...
Hey Robert Byrd: Harlan County
85% - Hillary Clinton
9% - Barack Obama
4% - uncommitted
Sure there are only 5,000 people who voted. But Barack Obama is the supposed nominee already and yet Obama doesn't even break double digits and barely doubles the uncommitted. That's one hell of a cheek scratch.