A couple of days ago, Anne posted a comment that included this:
Obama’s infected people with the belief that they cannot act with strength, cannot use the power of the majority, must signal compromise and must concede at the first sign of conflict. I cannot tell you how annoyed I am to see people who used to be considered serious champions of liberal (a much better word, thank you) causes allowing Obama’s inability to lead, and his aversion to conflict, to soften and muddle and weaken their positions and their resolve; actually, it’s way more than annoying – it’s galling.
I think that she accurately describes the symptoms, but doesn't accurately diagnose the disease. Obama did not infect people, IMO. He is a symptom of a disease that the left caught some time ago, going back at least to the 1980s if not to the 1970s. In other words, the left is not weak because we have Barack Obama. We have Barack Obama because we are weak.
There are lots of reasons for why the left weakened since the 1960s. The domestic successes of the Johnson era were undermined by Vietnam, in both its political and economic costs. The rise of the conservatives and neocons fueled in part by resentment over the civil rights victories of the 1960s (backlashes against minorities and women). And so on.
But for me, the most important factor is the media. The media has been trashing Democrats and liberals since at least the 1970s. Nightline was created to monitor the Iranian hostage crisis on a daily basis and, of course, to document Carter's failure to resolve it. Hell, its original name was "The Iran Crisis—America Held Hostage: Day xxx".
And it just got worse over the next two decades. A visit to the Daily Howler's incomparable archives is a visit to hell. Or at least a three ring circus where truth is irrelevant. As Somerby recently pointed out, nobody seemed to think it was odd at the time that there were four - FOUR! - investigations of Vince Foster's suicide.
And through it all, as Somerby has documented, the career liberal stayed pretty much silent.
There are reasons for this, of course. It's human nature not to want to be the kid that gets bullied. To be the outsider. Who would want to go through what the Clintons did - watch friends jailed, incur huge legal debts, have your personal secrets and weaknesses (everyone's got them) revealed and picked over and joked about, have your marriage nearly destroyed. And it's not just politicians who risk those things. As we were reminded just this last week with the firing of Dan Froomkin, to go against the grain, to question the Village
is to risk your job. (See also, Banfield, Ashleigh).
Obama, who is about my age, grew up with this media. It's no wonder that he often speaks about history as if he learned it from Tim Russert. That's probably what he did. Which is how a lot of people learn their political history - from the news. But his news was skewed terribly. And so he reflects - rather than rejects - the dominant narrative of the last 30-40 years.
That's one of the main reasons the Democrats picked him! Don't kid yourself. Obama isn't leading the Democratic Party in this area, he's reflecting it. The Village Democrats have internalized the hate. So a guy who says he doesn't want to be divisive is awesome. They're tired of being called divisive. They're tired of watching some idiot in a cowboy hat being fawned over as being the most awesomest guy ever. (And who can blame them.) The most important thing in their world is for people to not say mean things about them! Why do you think Al Gore went so quietly in that good night in 2000? He was afraid of bad press.
And isn't that really what Obama was promising? That his "change" could be brought about with no division. With everyone being happy. Wasn't that the appeal to a lot of those young people - they'd get their policies without all the screaming nutjobs on their tvs like they grew up with in the 1990s? That the Dems in Congress wouldn't have to worry about their internal divisions because Obama would bring everyone on board?
Which isn't realistic. No change has ever happened without fights, without division. When people promise you that it can, they're either delusional or lying. But it's a very appealing lie, one that I suspect at times that Obama believes himself. He can bring everyone together just like he did as editor of Harvard Law Review. He's special. Everyone says so. The only problem, as Meryl Streep pointed out, is that real life isn't like college, it's like high school.
Which brings me back to the issue of strength and getting it back. A topic that has recently become close to my heart. I just started reading Howard Zinn's "A Power Governments Cannot Suppress" and I hope to have more to say on strength - how to get it and keep it - in a later post.
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fantastic. Thank you.
To dig deeper - why did the media decide to mock true liberalism? And why did the dems cave?
A prof pal of mine just changed the working title of his oeuvre from referring to US imperialism to now referring to Private Equity.
I guess I'm resorting to the tried and true adage 'follow the money'.
"If we have to have a dictator, who better than Obama"
- progressive blog commentator
Two trends
I've always placed that trend as being brought about by two changes.
Media consolidation due to loosening of the restrictions on media ownership, narrowing the scope of voices nationwide by concentrating the media even more firmly in hands of the plutocracy.
The shift from the media being made up of "reporters" to being made up of "journalists." Which was the professionalization of the media. As the requirement for admission became one of have higher degrees, they saw themselves as being professionals rather than working people. Consciously and unconsciously they saw the other as not being the wealthy and powerful, but instead the other was the masses of working people.
IMO, between those two pressures you saw the shifting of MSM coverage. You saw the media style faux liberalism where the masses were to be managed rather than advocated for.
Just throwing this out there...
Do you think that John Naisbitt's "Megatrend" that the population and seat of cultural influence moved south and west might be a factor?
That is, liberal north-easterners' sociopolitical pull faded, in favor of (to paraphrase a great man) clinging to God, guns, and xenophobia?
Nope.
Since we're talking about the media, then no. The media's base is essentially unchanged in terms of regional base and major cities. If anything it is more entrenched the same places it was before.
Overall, I don't tend to accept the premises of Megatrend nor the whole red state, blue state stuff as anything truly useful. Overall, they strike me as a distracting side shows - and made of the same lack of substance that we saw in the primaries to dismiss those who didn't support Obama.
About a useful as other correlations lacking substantial causation, that are routinely trotted out by such pundits and the chattering class.
Is that actually true?
My understanding is that northern cities really have lost population ground to the south and west. RL calls, so I don't have time to dig for data that would support or contradict that impression.
Also, I don't see what's so wrong with the red-state/blue-state construction. States do have well-established voting patterns. They're not necessarily iron-clad, but one can generally assume, for example, a Dem will do not-so-well in Alabama.
Missing the point
Which is really not the point. What I said and what the question I was responding to was not related to that I'm talking about the MEDIA, not the general population. Media ownership, influential media organs, etc. are still concentrated in the same places (NY, California, Chicago, DC, etc.) they were a generation or so ago, albeit in fewer hands.
If there had been some shift of national papers, radio and TV to the same places as the population the talk of population shift might have some point, but there isn't. In fact, many of the papers, radio, etc. of the South are no longer locally owned but by distant owners generally in the same centers of media I mentioned above because of media consolidation.
"generally..."
That's the problem with red/blue state and its a classic one of scope. When pop-soc analysis like this arises, it becomes a blunt instrument and is prone to misuse. People do not vote red or blue by state or region, if you look at the smaller level maps (like Alabama to use your example) - you see patterns -distinct and regular patterns at the county level which belay the notion of a state pattern.
People vote more similarly to their peers in economic, educational, class, religion, urban/rural, etc. which shows up more at those levels than at state levels. You can argue that the state patterns are borne because of their populations breakdown in county divisions along those lines. But the notion of red/blue state generally skips that level and thus misses the point. In reality we're all purple states.
Looking at it by state is too distant and relatively meaningless. For example, yes you can compare Dick Cheney and Mohandas Gandhi and explain them based on the fact they both had penises but that wouldn't be quite a useful as understanding their educational religious, economics and cultural differences.
You guys are reinventing the wheel here.
The story of Movement Conservatism's rise is fairly simple. Eric Alterman explains in What Liberal Media that after the Barry Goldwater's crushing 1964 loss, Richard Mellon Scaife realized that for conservatism to win in its struggle against liberalism and take power in Washington, conservative ideology first would have to conquer society's intellectual and media realms. Scaife, thereupon and single-handedly, set-out to finance a right wing welfare system for conservative thinkers and polemicists.
Later, independent of Scaife's project, The Powell Memo was written and circulated:
The Republican Party turned itself into a disciplined coalition of corporatists, militarists, soft-core white race bigots, and religious conservatives, including Evangelicals who would become the party's "get out the vote" foot soldiers.
Corporatists bought up broadcast media, eventually got rid of the fairness doctrine, and television and radio infotainment divisions everywhere began to reflect the same slant. For instance, General Electric bought RCA with its NBC television network in the late '80s. GE CEO Jack Welch then took an active role in advancing and recruiting the on-screen talent in the NBC news division. Apparently, Bill Gates liked what he saw going on at NBC and, in 1996, MSNBC was born.
In a related matter, all of today's celebrated broadcast pundits and most of those in the top ranks of print journalism are very affluent people. (Print journalists learn that they have to be invited as regular guests on television programs if they are to really cash in and be treated as VIPs.) For years now, conservative think tanks and the Republican Party have volunteered to help these dandies do their basic research and come up with their story lines. Gone are the typical pundits of yesteryear who had spent decades as working class journalists before they became commentators.
During an earlier era of corporate messaging, GE had groomed and sponsored one corporate spokesperson who would become the leading voice of conservatism:
Because the media celebrates the Scaife-Powell brand of conservatism, most elected Democrats have decided it is the wise political play to disassociate themselves from New Deal-Great Society liberalism, repudiate Presidents Carter and Clinton, and always have a kind word of remembrance for Ronald Reagan.
[That said, outstanding post BDBlue.]
best analysis
I have never seen it put so well.
soutt - the media was bought up by a bunch of billionaire bullies who deliberately wanted to change the national conversation. I am too lazy to dig up the links, but Parry documents all this over at Consortium News.
thanks for the pointer.
I'll go read.
"If we have to have a dictator, who better than Obama"
- progressive blog commentator
Strength comes from exercise
No pain, no gain! Not only does that apply to exercise, in a conflict situation those who cannot or will not inflict pain on their opponents can expect to gain nothing and see their position eroded. Winning is important, but showing up is essential. Our side hasn't been showing up most of the time, and while there have been some big wins, even now our positions are eroding more than they are advancing. The 50 state strategy (an anathema to Village
Dems) was right, and it should be just the beginning.
Awesome
If possible, please fix two typos:
"Cowboy hate," I think, is supposed to be "Cowboy hat."
And Somerby doesn't have "archives." He has "incomparable archives."
Quibbles aside, thanks for an insightful analysis.
Fixed
thanks!
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
I will very much look forward to a post
that delves into getting that strength back - I am at a loss to understand how to break through the bubble of the Beltway and the media. I talk to so many people who feel as I do, but I also talk to too many people who have bought the media's and the insiders' message, and it's enormously frustrating to get them to at least consider another way of looking at things.
I hate to get all psychobabble here, but to some extent, I think Obama's personal psychology played well with the national psychology, which loves to believe that if they just wish and hope with enough fervor, they will be able to lose weight or quit smoking or get in shape or change jobs without the diet or the withdrawal symtoms or the exercise or the resume writing; Obama was that abominable book, The Secret, writ large.
We are about as dysfunctional as it is possible to be, and instead of electing someone who was not afraid to buck the co-dependent routine we've been engaging in, we elected someone who clearly is quite fearful of that (no, I am not saying that Hillary would not have engaged in some typical behavior herself, but one thing I think people can agree about - Hillary is not afraid of people not liking her, and has never let that deter her from fighting for what she believes in).
This is a man who was abandoned and rejected by his father, and more or less abandoned by his mother for long periods of time. I tend to think that's the kind of thing that leaves huge holes in a person, and could make him work very hard for praise and adulation as a way of proving that he is a worthwhile person who did not deserve to be abandoned. When "why didn't my father want me?" and "why does my mother want her new family more than she wants me?" are an integral part of one's psyche, counseling and therapy would be a much better way to resolve it than running for public office. In my opinion.
So, BDBlue, you're right that Obama is not the disease, but having him at the top of this food chain - as the leader - gives people the justification to stop fighting, stop pushing, stop questioning; he is leading -people are following. How much different would things be if he were a "we won, we're doing it our way, get over it" president? How would strength from Obama affect the spineless Harry Reid, for example? How would it be playing out if Obama told Baucus, "look you little health industry shill, I don't give a crap about what's in your pockets - you're doing this the right way or I'll make sure your career ends here" - would we be closer to having what we need? That's what I mean by failure of leadership - it does make a difference.
But let's also not forget that one of the biggest reasons the Dems engineered the nomination of Barack Obama was their utter hatred for Hillary Clinton - that was a huge part of this. Part of me is sorry she took the SOS position - I think she would have been a force to be reckoned with on health care - whis is probably one reason she was offered the job: it took her out of the domestic arena and shut her up. I can't be the only one who would love to chat with her about health care and what she thinks about what is happening.
Anyway - great post; thanks for giving my poor brain more things to think about!
"Hillary is not afraid of people not liking her.."
Damn straight. But that's what makes her a b*tch, right?!!!
I love that line she used in her concession speech about how when the dogs are after you, keep running (something like that). We knew EXACTLY what she was talking about. It was incredibly personal and intimate.
I have to say that watching her so closely during the primary changed my own coping skills. When I see myself sinking onto the pitty pot, I now put my big girl panties on much more quickly. Also, I'm less likely to abandon my own pov because others talk louder or with more confidence.
Hillary has become a role model for me. NOT AN INFALLIBLE GOD. Just an unforgettable example of gumption and strength.
"If we have to have a dictator, who better than Obama"
- progressive blog commentator
Yes!
When I see myself sinking onto the pitty pot, I now put my big girl panties on much more quickly.
She taught me so much about how to fight for what you believe in than all the chants of "Yes We Can!" ever did.
Is it the media?
Or is it a dumbing down, in general, of the American discourse that can be traced back to the Reagan era? Conservative
attacks on public school funding killed off critical, nuanced thinking in this country. The media giddily rushed in to fill the vacuum.
Over the last 30 years, the media invented a style of discourse and a bunch of circus formats--like "Nightline", and the abusive talk shows so popular in the 1990s--that substituted for thinking and debate about issues and policy. Conflict looks great on teevee and drives ratings, so there was big incentive for producers and programmers, regardless of pol affiliation, to frame everything as us vs. them, black vs. white, left vs. right.
I think you're on to something when you say that young people's support of bipartisanship, Obama-style, is a reaction to decades of having to listen to all this shouting.
But if public education hadn't been trashed by Reaganomics, Obama and his generation wouldn't have been getting their history just from Tim Russert, and journalists might not have so easily embraced the idea that "fair and balanced" reporting consists of giving equal time to two sides of every issue without questioning either, or both.
I guess this is my version of "follow the money."
How often did a real lefty get
A shot in the ring in those conflicts? Really, the arguments were between far right and center-right, a perverse and fundamentally one-sided form of Manicheanism.
True, that.
We've been living through another McCarthy era. But this one didn't need blacklists and threats from government enforcers like J. Edgar Hoover to marginalize the left. In a sense, the US left was disappeared as ruthlessly as it was in Latin America by the right wing generals--'cept here we used the soft force of Spectacle and bad education instead of kidnapping and murder.
Naomi Klein is the gold standard on all of this.
Hand In Glove
The media crap wouldn't work without an electorate either too under educated in skills like critical thinking or too busy trying to stay afloat amidst wage stagnation. The policies of the last 30-odd years have provided both.
Two of the more heartening things to me in recent times was Hillary continuing to win primaries even after the media declared her dead and the continued heat the Village
is clearly feeling on healthcare (that an overwhelming number of Americans want a government plan no matter how many times their betters tell them they shouldn't). Not because either of these things will end the way I want them to, but because in both cases it appears the people stopped listening to the media. That's potentially a very powerful development if it continues.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
+100
Business opportunity, too.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
So you're saying that Barack Obama is the anti-LBJ?
That's a good start.
LBJ was the ultimate Democratic strong-arm guy, in my view. We need somebody like that now, to take us back where he had us and then move us forward from there.
The Beltway and Village
(not the same entity?) would fall down in foaming fits if they were treated to the kind of leadership this country used to have -- leadership that didn't really give a damn about the opposition's *feelings* or *positions* or *analysis*, let alone *ratings*, but was determined to do what was right and didn't need to be the ultimate nice guy (that was one of the things that really undermined Jimmy Carter. He was trying to be a nicer guy than Ford, because in the post-Watergate agita what the country *seemed* to want was no more of that kind of trauma. It's been a Dem trait since -- remember how hard Bill Clinton worked to get consensus, find common ground? Remember how angry the Left was when DADT came out? Remember how the Clintons caved on health care? Remember how pissed off the Left was over that? Remember "welfare reform" under Clinton that, in point of fact, made poor people WORSE OFF, and how the Left thought they'd been betrayed? Giving and giving and giving ground never got the Clintons anywhere, though: the GOP impeached him anyway, and reviled her so vitriolically that now the Democratic party leadership hates her, as was pointed out above!) even if it cost the party votes?
Yeah. So, I say again, not all progress is forward.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
The Clintons didn't "cave" on health care.
You must be kidding? The Democratic Congress refused to do health care through reconciliation, which Bill Clinton argued for, and then they refused to even take a simple up or down vote. There was no caving. Further, he didn't fail to pass UHC and then just stop. He passed SCHIP, and argued every year for a Medicare buy-in to be offered to people 55 and older, and that with a Republican Congress.
Medicare for All is Civil Rights
They Had That Under Bush
and they loved it until the destruction became so obvious that even they couldn't deny it.
What they don't like is people who engage in that kind of behavior on the part of poor people, working people, and non-white, straight male people. So long as it's about bettering the lives of our betters, they love it. But that's pretty much how it always is. The cool kids are almost never the poor kids, are they?
I think it's basically corporatists engaging in the bullying behavior. It's an awesome way to enforce the social structure as anyone who went to high school can tell you. Very effective and they've used it very well.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
I don't excuse Clinton for everything
But I certainly have a different version of events of the Clinton presidency and battles than this.
I could go down all your examples of Clinton "giving in" to republicans but everyone here knows the list. DADT, UHC, welfare reform.
You say he was trying to find consensus. Others make arguments for a strategy that was trying to minimize damage possible by republican majorities.
Even Digby wrote a great post during the primaries about how Clinton did a heroic job fighting off the ascending power of the Republicans in the 90's.
And here's Yglesias,
"In the American context, you can’t change the laws more than congress will agree to change the laws. The positions Clinton outlined were consistently more leftwing than the positions adhered to by the median members of congress (conservative southern Democrats in 1993-94 and conservative Republicans in 1995-2000). If Clinton had staked out a bolder, more leftwing position, it wouldn’t have made any difference. Conversely, had congress enacted Clinton’s health care plan, we’d say that Bill Clinton was, along with FDR and LBJ, one of the three great architects of the American welfare state. That didn’t happen, but not because Clinton was too much of a sellout — it happened because congress wouldn’t approve his proposal.
That made for a disappointing administration in many respects, but not for lack of trying on the part of the administration. And despite Clinton’s difficulty in enacting large-scale semi-permanent institutional change, his tenure in office really did make life much better for people at the bottom."
"If we have to have a dictator, who better than Obama"
- progressive blog commentator
So why don't we have that Medicare buy-in, mass?
Was it because Bill Clinton could not achieve it alone? Or was it because Bill Clinton lacked the political will to force it through? Or was it because even then the Democrats were as beholden to the insurance company lobby as the GOP?
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
Goggle it. Even the Democrats wouldn't
bite. But he tried. I give credit to someone who really passionately tries to pass something good, particularly with a hostile Congress, even when it doesn't happen.
Medicare for All is Civil Rights
Obama screams '80s "yuppie," reflects Gen X and beyond
Although Obama is technically a boomer, he embodies more the Gen X crowd in terms of his approach to politics: disdain for the "left" (i.e. anyone who believes in the Constitution, equal rights, or basics likes reasoning, facts, evidence). Gen X is the group whose identity was formed in accepting, if not glorifying, the fundamentals of Reagan's America: corporatism, bigotry, and "Might is right!" (i.e. reflexively trusting the president or authority figures).
My generation, The Millennials, are the supposed "progressive" one that will lead the way towards a brighter future but I seriously doubt it. Why? Because of the culture we grew up in. We may have been raised by boomers, but we were raised in a culture that instead of rolling back yuppie ideals, embraced them during the boom '90s (Wall Street! Silicon Valley!), and saw the rise of hate radio and the unleashing of a pornified culture in which "sex" has become defined as the dehumanization and demonization of women and girls (Misogyny is at the heart of all forms of tyranny and, thus, combating it is central to undermining it).
Even on those "progressive" issues we supposedly believe in, we don't actually fight for them, deferring to authority or celebrity instead or simply getting bored with it. Again, as part of the yuppie belief that we're consumers first, citizens last we approach politics as shoppers (e.g., INSPI(RED) Campaign). Naomi Klein called it the"Bono-ization of activism," which neuters any true opposition, threat to the system.
I cannot tell you the difference of my early childhood in America and the rest I spent in Chile. Dissent, protests, and a severe suspicion of authority were cultural norms to me as a Chilean. As it is to Iranians. And it's not because we both have a horrible history of suffering brutality at the hands of US sponsored dictators. Or because just about all of us know someone who suffered at the hands of a tyrannical regime. Even the Danes and Dutch do not have a culture of apathy or blind worship of authority. That is why we, as Americans, failed in 2000 and 2003. Both those events were obvious frauds (All you had to do was ask basic questions like, "Why can't we have a full, reliable recount?" or "Why the hell would Hussein trust a religious zealot who tried to kill him?").
The only glimmer of hope that I took from last year is that Obama was not the choice of Democratic voters, who, in spite of the all-out media and blog assault, chose Clinton over him. Now, we know that the RBC decision was rigged, resulting in brazen vote theft and fraud, and that the caucuses were a joke, but the people didn't know that. There was no effective check on the widespread disinformation (Thanks, "progressive" blogs!). But even that is wishful thinking on my part. The fact "progressives" joined Versailles
in deceiving the public (and perhaps themselves) shows how deeply we've fallen.
Not sure I like generational divisions...
... as an analutical tool, whether on the receiving end or not.
"Misogyny is at the heart of all forms of tyranny," though, that's interesting, especially since tyranny is exactly what the Constitution was designed to prevent. Why is it true?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
I'm glad you asked
I was right about to edit that.
Yes, the Constitution was designed to prevent that but obviously culture trumps the law since the latter depends on us to actually enforce it. I was going to write that, in my opinion,if you can commit bigotry, including violence (i.e. oppression), against your own loved ones or commit hate crimes against people who belong to groups that your family belongs to, then why wouldn't you will become vulnerable to accepting intolerance and hatred towards other groups? That is the heart of tyranny. I was going to connect that to the Harvard study I discussed earlier on on gender and national security.
As far as generations go: it's what struck me, at first considering we're talking about what has happened to our political culture in the past 30 plus years and it shows the effects of that culture on our political future (e.g, boomer activism vs. Millennial "Bono" activism).
I don't think tyranny is the result of hate
I think tyranny is the result of lust for power -- to which all humans, with only the rarest of exceptions, are prone (I would argue); see Stanford prison experiment, for example.
It is exactly because the Founders either were, or knew, slaveowners that they had such an intimate knowledge of tyranny, and to their credit, tried to create a system in which at least some -- and more, as time went on -- were neither tyrants nor tyrannized.
Now, if the Founders had conceptualized themselves as patriarchs as well as slaveowners, history might have been quite different, but that level of self-knowledge was not available to them.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
You sure they weren't that self-aware, lambert?
There's Jefferson's "republican" core:
A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.
And the famous Franklin line on liberty versus security.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
Two words
Sally Hemings....
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
ah, yes: when in Rome
and IIRC Washington also owned slaves.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
Though it does speak well of the Adamses
We should take care not to be glib about this. Some of these men were giants and, yet, they could not transcend their time, place, personal circumstances, and personal prejudices in dealing with the institution and the victims of American Negro Slavery.
Here's another site worth looking at for additional detail and analysis.
(John Adams would not rent slaves to work his farm though it was the local custom of his neighbors to avail themselves of that cheap labor resource. John Quincy Adams had a dramatic congressional career as a champion of abolition during the seventeen years he served in the House after his presidency.)
Not saying Jefferson was not a giant..
.... but that he was lacking in self-knowledge that patriarchy could be a form of tyranny (as Madison understood the term) -- unlike kingship and, as he was deeply aware, slavery.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
You've got your generations muddled there
Gen X wasn't old enough to be yuppies in the '80s, even though we were often blamed for such things by, say, 60's-era professors who accused us of selling out (though what we were selling out was never explained). And then we had to deal with the Bush I recession when we graduated.
So, what you're really saying is that Obama is a late boomer and acting like one -- because the late boomers *were* the '80s yuppies. I don't see where Gen X comes into this at all. Nor where you get the idea that Gen X disdains the left.
BTW, Bono, born in 1960, is a late Boomer generationally (whether the tag applies to someone from Ireland is another story). He's also had a career in music and has been doing humanitarian work since the '80s, when U2 first began getting famous but weren't yet huge stars. His early work focused on Amnesty International and famine relief.
Hate
to break this to you, but the Millenials didn't exactly invent humanitarian causes.
"The Ulitmate Strong-Arm Guy"?
Which is why faced with the assasination of Kennedy, a CIA everyone in Washington feared, and a rampant military industrial complex conducting an endless war based on a false flag operation, he utterly capitulated to the desires of the Company.
"Hey hey hey LBJ
How many kids did you kill today"
Pardon me if I don't provide a link for that. Yet, it happened.
And, incidently, that strong-arm guy, realizing his hollowness, turned tail and ran and handed it all to Dick Nixon when it came re-election time.
Speak to me of leadership. Our real leaders die quickly, if the Company gets a bead on them. Pardon me if I don't provide a link for that...
One suspects the revolution not only won't be televised, you won't see its email address posted for the NSA either... and it certainly won't have a "color" the main$tream can identify with unless the Company gets tired of the whole Democracy schtik.
No Hell below us
Above us, only sky
Kelley B: No. LBJ spoke and acted and got things done.
Read his speech -- his first State of the Union message -- and look at what happened in his years in the Oval Office. Compare the promises to the results.
President Lyndon B. Johnson's
Annual Message to the Congress on the State of the Union
January 8, 1964
[ As delivered in person before a joint session ]
Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, Members of the House and Senate, my fellow Americans:
I will be brief, for our time is necessarily short and our agenda is already long.
Last year's congressional session was the longest in peacetime history. With that foundation, let us work together to make this year's session the best in the Nation's history.
Let this session of Congress be known as the session which did more for civil rights than the last hundred sessions combined; as the session which enacted the most far-reaching tax cut of our time; as the session which declared all-out war on human poverty and unemployment in these United States; as the session which finally recognized the health needs of all our older citizens; as the session which reformed our tangled transportation and transit policies; as the session which achieved the most effective, efficient foreign aid program ever; and as the session which helped to build more homes, more schools, more libraries, and more hospitals than any single session of Congress in the history of our Republic.
All this and more can and must be done. It can be done by this summer, and it can be done without any increase in spending. In fact, under the budget that I shall shortly submit, it can be done with an actual reduction in Federal expenditures and Federal employment.
We have in 1964 a unique opportunity and obligation--to prove the success of our system; to disprove those cynics and critics at home and abroad who question our purpose and our competence.
If we fail, if we fritter and fumble away our opportunity in needless, senseless quarrels between Democrats and Republicans, or between the House and the Senate, or between the South and North, or between the Congress and the administration, then history will rightfully judge us harshly. But if we succeed, if we can achieve these goals by forging in this country a greater sense of union, then, and only then, can we take full satisfaction in the State of the Union.
II.
Here in the Congress you can demonstrate effective legislative leadership by discharging the public business with clarity and dispatch, voting each important proposal up, or voting it down, but at least bringing it to a fair and a final vote.
Let us carry forward the plans and programs of John Fitzgerald Kennedy--not because of our sorrow or sympathy, but because they are right.
In his memory today, I especially ask all members of my own political faith, in this election year, to put your country ahead of your party, and to always debate principles; never debate personalities.
For my part, I pledge a progressive administration which is efficient, and honest and frugal. The budget to be submitted to the Congress shortly is in full accord with this pledge.
It will cut our deficit in half--from $10 billion to $4,900 million. It will be, in proportion to our national output, the smallest budget since 1951.
It will call for a substantial reduction in Federal employment, a feat accomplished only once before in the last 10 years. While maintaining the full strength of our combat defenses, it will call for the lowest number of civilian personnel in the Department of Defense since 1950.
It will call for total expenditures of $97,900 million--compared to $98,400 million for the current year, a reduction of more than $500 million. It will call for new obligational authority of $103,800 million--a reduction of more than $4 billion below last year's request of $107,900 million.
But it is not a standstill budget, for America cannot afford to stand still. Our population is growing. Our economy is more complex. Our people's needs are expanding.
But by closing down obsolete installations, by curtailing less urgent programs, by cutting back where cutting back seems to be wise, by insisting on a dollar's worth for a dollar spent, I am able to recommend in this reduced budget the most Federal support in history for education, for health, for retraining the unemployed, and for helping the economically and the physically handicapped.
This budget, and this year's legislative program, are designed to help each and every American citizen fulfill his basic hopes--his hopes for a fair chance to make good; his hopes for fair play from the law; his hopes for a full-time job on full-time pay; his hopes for a decent home for his family in a decent community; his hopes for a good school for his children with good teachers; and his hopes for security when faced with sickness or unemployment or old age.
III.
Unfortunately, many Americans live on the outskirts of hope--some because of their poverty, and some because of their color, and all too many because of both. Our task is to help replace their despair with opportunity.
This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America. I urge this Congress and all Americans to join with me in that effort.
It will not be a short or easy struggle, no single weapon or strategy will suffice, but we shall not rest until that war is won. The richest Nation on earth can afford to win it. We cannot afford to lose it. One thousand dollars invested in salvaging an unemployable youth today can return $40,000 or more in his lifetime.
Poverty is a national problem, requiring improved national organization and support. But this attack, to be effective, must also be organized at the State and the local level and must be supported and directed by State and local efforts.
For the war against poverty will not be won here in Washington. It must be won in the field, in every private home, in every public office, from the courthouse to the White House.
The program I shall propose will emphasize this cooperative approach to help that one-fifth of all American families with incomes too small to even meet their basic needs.
Our chief weapons in a more pinpointed attack will be better schools, and better health, and better homes, and better training, and better job opportunities to help more Americans, especially young Americans, escape from squalor and misery and unemployment rolls where other citizens help to carry them.
Very often a lack of jobs and money is not the cause of poverty, but the symptom. The cause may lie deeper in our failure to give our fellow citizens a fair chance to develop their own capacities, in a lack of education and training, in a lack of medical care and housing, in a lack of decent communities in which to live and bring up their children.
But whatever the cause, our joint Federal-local effort must pursue poverty, pursue it wherever it exists--in city slums and small towns, in sharecropper shacks or in migrant worker camps, on Indian Reservations, among whites as well as Negroes, among the young as well as the aged, in the boom towns and in the depressed areas.
Our aim is not only to relieve the symptom of poverty, but to cure it and, above all, to prevent it. No single piece of legislation, however, is going to suffice.
We will launch a special effort in the chronically distressed areas of Appalachia.
We must expand our small but our successful area redevelopment program.
We must enact youth employment legislation to put jobless, aimless, hopeless youngsters to work on useful projects.
We must distribute more food to the needy through a broader food stamp program.
We must create a National Service Corps to help the economically handicapped of our own country as the Peace Corps now helps those abroad.
We must modernize our unemployment insurance and establish a high-level commission on automation. If we have the brain power to invent these machines, we have the brain power to make certain that they are a boon and not a bane to humanity.
We must extend the coverage of our minimum wage laws to more than 2 million workers now lacking this basic protection of purchasing power.
We must, by including special school aid funds as part of our education program, improve the quality of teaching, training, and counseling in our hardest hit areas.
We must build more libraries in every area and more hospitals and nursing homes under the Hill-Burton Act, and train more nurses to staff them.
We must provide hospital insurance for our older citizens financed by every worker and his employer under Social Security, contributing no more than $1 a month during the employee's working career to protect him in his old age in a dignified manner without cost to the Treasury, against the devastating hardship of prolonged or repeated illness.
We must, as a part of a revised housing and urban renewal program, give more help to those displaced by slum clearance, provide more housing for our poor and our elderly, and seek as our ultimate goal in our free enterprise system a decent home for every American family.
We must help obtain more modern mass transit within our communities as well as low-cost transportation between them.
Above all, we must release $11 billion of tax reduction into the private spending stream to create new jobs and new markets in every area of this land.
IV.
These programs are obviously not for the poor or the underprivileged alone. Every American will benefit by the extension of social security to cover the hospital costs of their aged parents. Every American community will benefit from the construction or modernization of schools, libraries, hospitals, and nursing homes, from the training of more nurses and from the improvement of urban renewal in public transit. And every individual American taxpayer and every corporate taxpayer will benefit from the earliest possible passage of the pending tax bill from both the new investment it will bring and the new jobs that it will create.
That tax bill has been thoroughly discussed for a year. Now we need action. The new budget clearly allows it. Our taxpayers surely deserve it. Our economy strongly demands it. And every month of delay dilutes its benefits in 1964 for consumption, for investment, and for employment.
For until the bill is signed, its investment incentives cannot be deemed certain, and the withholding rate cannot be reduced--and the most damaging and devastating thing you can do to any businessman in America is to keep him in doubt and to keep him guessing on what our tax policy is. And I say that we should now reduce to 14 percent instead of 15 percent our withholding rate.
I therefore urge the Congress to take final action on this bill by the first of February, if at all possible. For however proud we may be of the unprecedented progress of our free enterprise economy over the last 3 years, we should not and we cannot permit it to pause.
In 1963, for the first time in history, we crossed the 70 million job mark, but we will soon need more than 75 million jobs. In 1963 our gross national product reached the $600 billion level--$100 billion higher than when we took office. But it easily could and it should be still $30 billion higher today than it is.
Wages and profits and family income are also at their highest levels in history--but I would remind you that 4 million workers and 13 percent of our industrial capacity are still idle today.
We need a tax cut now to keep this country moving.
V.
For our goal is not merely to spread the work. Our goal is to create more jobs. I believe the enactment of a 35-hour week would sharply increase costs, would invite inflation, would impair our ability to compete, and merely share instead of creating employment. But I am equally opposed to the 45- or 50-hour week in those industries where consistently excessive use of overtime causes increased unemployment.
So, therefore, I recommend legislation authorizing the creation of a tripartite industry committee to determine on an industry-by-industry basis as to where a higher penalty rate for overtime would increase job openings without unduly increasing costs, and authorizing the establishment of such higher rates.
VI.
Let me make one principle of this administration abundantly clear: All of these increased opportunities--in employment, in education, in housing, and in every field--must be open to Americans of every color. As far as the writ of Federal law will run, we must abolish not some, but all racial discrimination. For this is not merely an economic issue, or a social, political, or international issue. It is a moral issue, and it must be met by the passage this session of the bill now pending in the House.
All members of the public should have equal access to facilities open to the public. All members of the public should be equally eligible for Federal benefits that are financed by the public. All members of the public should have an equal chance to vote for public officials and to send their children to good public schools and to contribute their talents to the public good.
Today, Americans of all races stand side by side in Berlin and in Viet Nam. They died side by side in Korea. Surely they can work and eat and travel side by side in their own country.
VII.
We must also lift by legislation the bars of discrimination against those who seek entry into our country, particularly those who have much needed skills and those joining their families.
In establishing preferences, a nation that was built by the immigrants of all lands can ask those who now seek admission: "What can you do for our country?" But we should not be asking: "In what country were you born?"
VIII.
For our ultimate goal is a world without war, a world made safe for diversity, in which all men, goods, and ideas can freely move across every border and every boundary.
We must advance toward this goal in 1964 in at least 10 different ways, not as partisans, but as patriots.
First, wc must maintain--and our reduced defense budget will maintain--that margin of military safety and superiority obtained through 3 years of steadily increasing both the quality and the quantity of our strategic, our conventional, and our antiguerilla forces. In 1964 we will be better prepared than ever before to defend the cause of freedom, whether it is threatened by outright aggression or by the infiltration practiced by those in Hanoi and Havana, who ship arms and men across international borders to foment insurrection. And we must continue to use that strength as John Kennedy used it in the Cuban crisis and for the test ban treaty--to demonstrate both the futility of nuclear war and the possibilities of lasting peace.
Second, we must take new steps--and we shall make new proposals at Geneva--toward the control and the eventual abolition of arms. Even in the absence of agreement, we must not stockpile arms beyond our needs or seek an excess of military power that could be provocative as well as wasteful.
It is in this spirit that in this fiscal year we are cutting back our production of enriched uranium by 25 percent. We are shutting down four plutonium piles. We are closing many nonessential military installations. And it is in this spirit that we today call on our adversaries to do the same.
Third, we must make increased use of our food as an instrument of peace--making it available by sale or trade or loan or donation-to hungry people in all nations which tell us of their needs and accept proper conditions of distribution.
Fourth, we must assure our pre-eminence in the peaceful exploration of outer space, focusing on an expedition to the moon in this decade--in cooperation with other powers if possible, alone if necessary.
Fifth, we must expand world trade. Having recognized in the Act of 1962 that we must buy as well as sell, we now expect our trading partners to recognize that we must sell as well as buy. We are willing to give them competitive access to our market, asking only that they do the same for us.
Sixth, we must continue, through such measures as the interest equalization tax, as well as the cooperation of other nations, our recent progress toward balancing our international accounts.
This administration must and will preserve the present gold value of the dollar.
Seventh, we must become better neighbors with the free states of the Americas, working with the councils of the OAS, with a stronger Alliance for Progress, and with all the men and women of this hemisphere who really believe in liberty and justice for all.
Eighth, we must strengthen the ability of free nations everywhere to develop their independence and raise their standard of living, and thereby frustrate those who prey on poverty and chaos. To do this, the rich must help the poor--and we must do our part. We must achieve a more rigorous administration of our development assistance, with larger roles for private investors, for other industrialized nations, and for international agencies and for the recipient nations themselves.
Ninth, we must strengthen our Atlantic and Pacific partnerships, maintain our alliances and make the United Nations a more effective instrument for national independence and international order.
Tenth, and finally, we must develop with our allies new means of bridging the gap between the East and the West, facing danger boldly wherever danger exists, but being equally bold in our search for new agreements which can enlarge the hopes of all, while violating the interests of none.
In short, I would say to the Congress that we must be constantly prepared for the worst, and constantly acting for the best. We must be strong enough to win any war, and we must be wise enough to prevent one.
We shall neither act as aggressors nor tolerate acts of aggression. We intend to bury no one, and we do not intend to be buried.
We can fight, if we must, as we have fought before, but we pray that we will never have to fight again.
IX.
My good friends and my fellow Americans: In these last 7 sorrowful weeks, we have learned anew that nothing is so enduring as faith, and nothing is so degrading as hate.
John Kennedy was a victim of hate, but he was also a great builder of faith--faith in our fellow Americans, whatever their creed or their color or their station in life; faith in the future of man, whatever his divisions and differences.
This faith was echoed in all parts of the world. On every continent and in every land to which Mrs. Johnson and I traveled, we found faith and hope and love toward this land of America and toward our people.
So I ask you now in the Congress and in the country to join with me in expressing and fulfilling that faith in working for a nation, a nation that is free from want and a world that is free from hate--a world of peace and justice, and freedom and abundance, for our time and for all time to come.
Source: Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: Lyndon B. Johnson, 1963-64. Volume I, entry 91, pp. 112-118. Washington, D. C.: Government Printing Office, 1965.
I've put some links in that go to the LBJ library, but there are other sources -- THOMAS, and the actual bills for the REA, Head Start, the Job Corps, and other similar legislation that doesn't get the press the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act got.
Why do you suppose LBJ remains so reviled?
There was a post here on the 88th Congress' record recently. The results compared to this speech, to my mind, speak for themselves. Before LBJ was done -- and make no mistake: he didn't "give it all to Dick Nixon and run away" -- he had seen his dream of a better, stronger, more solid America shredded by just such cluelessness as your celebration of "hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today" writ large and hammered home in headlines and TV coverage and he had gone out not to polling to verify that sentiment in the country but to actually talking to real people he knew who lived outside DC. He did the best he could for the country, rather than thinking about his own career or 'legacy', and while listening to Robert McNamara on Vietnam was a huge and inarguably tragic mistake, I note that it wasn't until Nixon's *second* term that the war ended -- not with real peace but with "vietnamization" and "withdrawal with honor."
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
What a load
Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, killed JFK. Oswald was a misfit, a former Marine, a Marxist who became disillusioned with the Soviet Union after living there, and an on-and-off one man pro-Castro activist who had attempted to assassinate General Edwin Walker, a local Dallas John Bircher, earlier in 1963. President Kennedy became his target of opportunity when Oswald opened a Dallas newspaper one November day and learned that the presidential motorcade would pass in front of the very building in which he was employed.
Just curious kelly b, are you at all familiar with what Posner or Bugliosi (junior version here) have written on the subject?
There are Johnson tapes. LBJ thought Castro was behind the Kennedy assassination. (I can't find the phone conversation I'm looking for but this is well gone over territory.)
Lyndon Johnson inherited President Kennedy's national security team upon taking office and relied on its members for years. Support in favor of a Vietnam policy of escalation was their near unanimous view. RFK, himself, even after leaving the administration supported air strikes, naval operations, and an alliance with the South Vietnamese military well into 1967.
Listen to the first three minutes of Noam Chomsky here about back in the day. The Democrats had suffered politically for years from the claim that "Truman lost China." The United States was not going to abandon its commitment to fight the communists in South Vietnam. There were no peaceniks in high places back then, except for long time LBJ confidant Bill Moyers. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution passed the House 416 to 0. Wayne Morse (D-OR) and Ernest Gruening (D-AK) were the only senators to vote nay on that bill.
JFK's inaugural address had been a Cold War Warrior's speech on steroids:
It would have been easy for an all powerful intelligence to service to bring down JFK politically. For one thing, he was a very sick man and LBJ's knowledge of that probably helped get him get on the national Democratic ticket 1960. Fact is the CIA's really been the gang that couldn't shoot straight for decades and the Agency has never been in the business of whacking, or threatening to whack, U.S. presidents.
Part of the liberal/progressive/leftist political problem for decades has been an unwillingness to celebrate the accomplishments of President Johnson and the Great Society:
By the way, unlike John Kennedy of Massachusetts, Lyndon Johnson of Texas was out in front on Civil Rights issues during the same last few years they both spent serving in the Senate.
Doesn't Avedon keep telling you...
... about comments that should really be posts? Here's another one.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
What a laugh
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Like calling off the secret service wasn't help. Like a single bullet from a single direction did what the tapes show. Like all the witnesses were wrong.
Like Jack Ruby.
Like people who are evil enough to engineer wars based on false flag operations aren't evil enough to get rid of a President who wants to end them.
Like it's sooo much easier to believe what Authority says. It's much easier to sleep at night that way, isn't it?
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Kelley B, so far you're not making a convincing case
Jack Ruby was no hit man. He was a man having a nervous break down.
Ruby's life story and his every move from the moment Kennedy was shot until he fired at Oswald is known in astounding detail. Ruby did not know he was going to shoot Oswald until moments before he did shoot him. He had left his most beloved pooch in the car when he parked it downtown to send off a Western Union money order to a stripper who was an on again, off again employee of his and who had called him the day before for help. Only by luck had Ruby gained access to the police station garage area thereafter and Oswald was still in the building only because of an unforeseen delay. The previous day Ruby had been photographed in the Dallas Police Station near Oswald and had not acted then even though it was likely that would have been to the only time he could have been near him.
Not only is the single bullet theory correct but the reason the bullet itself was in such pristine condition was that, by international treaty, military rounds had to be manufactured to specifications that would guarantee they would not to disintegrate upon impact with bone. Put down the Mark Lane and Alex Jones and actually sit down with either the Posner or Bugliosi book.
"Calling off the Secret Service," you say? I'm not sure what that's a reference to, perhaps you can refresh my memory as to the theory to which that belongs.
But the Kennedy assassination aside, you've twice mentioned a "false flag" operation in regards to the Vietnam War -- I think that is your reference. What exactly are you referring to, the Gulf of Tonkin attack? The U.S. Navy reported two incidents and eventually Johnson would confide in a taped telephone conversation that he thought during the second incident the Maddox and the Turner Joy were probably shooting at dolphins and didn't know any better. The CIA had zip to do with all that.
This occurred in August, 1964, three months before the presidential election that pitted LBJ against a Republican who wanted to use nukes in Vietnam. (Actually, the public did not know it but President Eisenhower probably had negotiated the Korean War cease fire by threatening the use of nukes. Of course, China had successfully detonated her first nuclear weapon earlier in the year so things were more complicated than they were in 1953.) By the summer of 1964 the U.S. already was quite involved in a hot war in Vietnam.
You seem to have very extreme opinions about these matters. Have you studied them in enough detail to be confident in drawing the conclusions you are drawing?
Kelly B, about those witnesses ...
Look, this is not the thread to get into this, but I just remembered I had this Posner text in an email:
As for the bullet paths and what the Zapruder film shows, I have some more Posner text that I can copy and paste here if you're interested. The Warren Commission got it right.
still smirking
Warren Commission?
Hell, even they disagreed after the fact. And they were hand picked. Apologies to everyone for thread disruption. Yet, here it comes, I can only lurk for so long...
And invoking it on the same thread that points out what Martin Luther King thought about Democratic Leadership.
Anyone remember his refusal to be co-opted by LBj. And what happened soon after?
Go read Shystee. Please.
It damn well ought to be taken as a property of psychohistory. Dr. Seldon, are you listening? Or is it only the NSA? Or am I worrying about conspiracies again?
You. Can. Not. Believe. the. Authorities.
The only One who really knows is the Perpetrator(s). Whether it's one Comedian or a host of Jokers in the deck.
It just amazes me that anyone who has witnessed even only the events since 2000 is willing to accept anything a government source tries to sell you. Any government source.
Be it Hillary. Or Barry O. Or Goldman-Sachs.
Woops- they're aren't the government now, are they?
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now the wavefront's passed, a reply
Why not?
In case you've never seen this, I thought I'd try to embed this:
If this doesn't work, the link is here.
Caveat: I don't believe this. I don't disbelieve it either.
After all, in a world where Donald Rumsfeld laughed off the D.o'D. losing $2 trillion the day before 9/11- when all records that might have helped sort it out were destroyed as well as part of the Pentagon- there are far stranger data points.
You shouldn't believe or disbelieve. You'd best simply observe, record, and move on until a testable hypothesis presents itself.
I saw a lot of right thinking but what exactly right did the Warren Commission get, again?
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It's the absence of The Fairness Doctrine
and the skill with which the right markets its talking points. The first thing to point out is that most panel pundit shows are dominated by conservatives. In the 90s, it was frequently 3-1 against liberals. So, the literal visceral experience most liberal viewers, pundits and pols have with the media is that they are a besieged minority, out-manuevered on every side. It does not matter that we hold the majority position. Neither the voters themselves, nor the politicians ever experience the liberal viewpoint as the predominant one. Liberals are always the hunted in these equations - the prey. We're the fox and the conservatives are on horseback with their hounds at their side. With no Fairness Doctrine to exact some rough equality, our nation really only hears the right wing position on most issues.
The other half of the problem is that Democrats have no awareness as to how to market their POV. In the 90s, the "outrage" that is the estate tax was a frequent topic of discussion. My mother died, leaving behind a tiny property in Arkansas and a few small accounts. I was wondering if I would need to pay taxes on it. It was only at that point that I learned the bottom value at which estate taxes kick in was $600k. Now, I didn't know that and I paid attention. I had never once in all the discussions that I listened to on the estate tax heard that figure expressed. Liberals are not good at educating people as to how their policies work to their behalf - so when you have something like the estate tax being discussed, you have a huge number of people who should not be worried, concerned that their parent's death will ultimately cost them money. When we don't lay down the basics of our position, in addition to viewers experiencing the liberal viewpoint as the minority viewpoint, we lose support that we drastically need.
The last part of this equation for me is the skill with which the right draws up their talking points - something we don't even try to do. What the right does is come up with a very simplistic slogan that their followers can repeat endlessly and they get it out on every talk show they can. Of course, they have Limbaugh and Fox for which the left has no equivalent. Think back on Rather-gate and how swiftly the talking points went from the internet, to mainstream media, to an independent prosecutor being appointed to investigate how it happened. They came up with a simple point - the type is not authentic to a 1960s typewriter - and every fanciful conservative in the nation became an instant expert on typestyles of the 1960s. With the estate tax, the right very simply went on about how it was unfair to tax an estate and cost the heirs money. We heard endless stories about families losing farms and businesses. Because liberals didn't bother to educate people about the estate value necessary to pay taxes, we lost that argument in a pretty big way.
We could change the dialogue in this nation by refusing to appear on tv unless the panel in genuinely balanced and fairly monitored, and by discussing the basics of what our positions are. But until we walk away from the imbalanced presentation the media indulges, and start to defining the points on which we build our policy for ordinary Americans, we will continue to lose the cultural debate even when voters give us the White House and both houses of congress.
"Someone needs to point out that elephants produce infinitely more shit than donkeys." Brad Mays
THIS is the KEY, basement angel:
But until we walk away from accepting the Beltway/Versailles
vision, we cannot even get a seat at the table in the cultural debate.
Cokie Roberts on NPR is one of the prime examples. That sugary sarcasm wafting into the airwaves ... faugh.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
We're winning elections and losing the cultural debate.
When was the last time that happened to Republicans? We lose the cultural debate because the high profile media is dominated by conservatives and by our presence, we validate their presentation of the liberal POV as being the minority - even when the elections say otherwise.
Why are we so terrified of Republicans filibustering? How is that scary? I say, let 'em filibuster a real health care reform bill and take a real battle to the airwaves. They want to filibuster then let them be at odds with what most americans want.
1. health insurance CORPORATIONS make money by denying sick people care.
2. Americans don't want a CEO who is more beholden to shareholders than the American voting public deciding how much care they can get.
3. Americans want doctors, not mid-level managers bucking for a promotion and a Members Only company jacket, deciding what treatment their insurance covers.
4. It will cost Americans less to pay for comprehensive, not-for-profit, government sponsored healthcare, than it will cost them to continue to pay for divisive private policies that can be terminated if you require to much care.
Those are the basic talking points that I know of, but they need to be finessed. But liberals are afraid to get down in the mud on these issues, though that's where the battle is fought - and so we forfeit the fight for not showing up. we need to tackle the private health insurance industry with the same visceral vehemence with which the conservatives go after government sponsored healthcare. We have the facts on our side, but you would not know it for the debate.
"Someone needs to point out that elephants produce infinitely more shit than donkeys." Brad Mays
"We're" Winning Elections?
I'm not sure that's true. Democrats are winning elections, but I'm not sure that's the same as liberals or even Democratic voters. My values and priorities might better align with the Democrats than they do with the Republicans, but one of the things that I've learned over this past year is not to align myself too closely to any party. The Democrats have voted for - or through the Democratic President have simply done - a lot of things that I don't agree with from FISA to secrecy to the bank bailout.
I think one of the big problems liberals have is looking for our Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush - the leader who is going to come in and pass our policies and be our revolution. All we have to do is raise money for his or her election and turn out the votes. If only it was that easy! That leader isn't coming because what we want goes against the corporate state, which is what all of the D.C. elite is to some extent. Most great liberal movements have not been particularly partisan in that they haven't sought simply to elect a President or Congress. They've sought some broader change in society and the politics followed. Martin Luther King didn't lead marches for Democrats, after all. It's a lot harder because it requires working outside the system. But I'm beginning to think it's the only way.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Interesting, isn't it, that the person whose
campaign was built around getting the little people - you know, average Americans - to invest in America by investing in him, is proving to be no populist. People were told that "we were the change we were looking for," and "Yes, We Can" became a rallying cry.
For what, exactly?
If the people were so important to the process, why have so many accepted being relegated to the sidelines? I can't tell you how many times someone told me that I just didn't understand the big picture, that I didn't have the vision Obama did to see many steps ahead, that what looked like betrayal was just part of some wickedly brilliant plan to snooker and co-opt the GOP, and soon, it would all be made clear.
I didn't vote for him; didn't vote for McCain, either - I just passed on that part of the ballot. I just could not allow myself to be used that way, and I knew it was time to stop cooperating in the abuse. My days of voting for anyone with a (D) after his or her name are over.