Via Raw Story:
The largest gay-rights advocacy group in New Jersey has announced it will no longer give money to the Democratic Party.
The move follows the state legislature's failure last month to legalize gay marriage and amid growing signs that the effort to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is already faltering.
"No political party has a record good enough on LGBT civil rights that it can rightfully claim to be entitled to our money on a party-wide basis," said the chairman of Garden State Equality, Steven Goldstein, as quoted at PolitickerNJ.com.
“No longer will we let any political party take our money and volunteers with one hand, and slap us in the face with the other when we seek full equality," Goldstein added.
Garden State Equality is doing the right thing. If they don't get the results they pay for, they stop paying. I hope they'll inspire other unterbussen to do the same.
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Good post Madamab
Exactly right!
I hope to hell this catches on.
The LGBT community has been giving lots of money to Democrats for decades, and begging them to kick us in the stomach, but please don't hit the face if that's not too much trouble. Enough already. I hope this spreads all over the country. If the queers stop ponying up the Dems lose a big chunk of change and a whole lot of volunteers.
I certainly hope the Human Rights Campaign is paying attention.
It does seem to be catching on
What are some options for the next step? Where do all the "refuseniks" and their political contributions go? Withdraw support for the entire corrupt party system? Third party? Greens?
Please don't hate me for saying so (-; but I'd vote for Ralph Nader again. He called his shot in Y2K. He may be a mean a-hole, but I bet if he was pres. he'd make a heck of a spectacle confronting the banksters and insurance execs and big pharma and all the other vampire squids... We could use some mean a-hole liberals right about now to tell the legacy parties where to stick it.
Rototillaphiliac
Well, I think Nader was wrong in 2000.
Clearly Bush and Gore were not the same. One example - Iraq. Would we be there if Gore were President? I can't imagine how, or why. Heck, even the wimpy 9/11 Commission admitted that the attacks were preventable. Maybe it wouldn't even have happened. In any case, no reflection on you, but I'm not a fan.
Nor do I think it prudent to pin all our hopes on one politician, even if it's a really good one. A President can only do so much if he/she doesn't have Congress behind him/her.
My ultimate goal would be a voting bloc that forces the Dems to tack left. Step 1: Flex muscles by doing a Lysistrata - just say NO - like the Garden State Equality group and many Mass Dems and Independents. Step 2: Make demands (a la Full Court Press). Step 3: Punish those who do not meet our demands by voting them out, reward those who do with money, volunteering and votes.
Hey, it worked for the Conservatives in the Republican Party. No Repub can win without them. Yes, we can...show the Dems they can't win without us either.
Never vote for people who hate you.
ERA Now!
The Widdershins
I think so too...
... but 2010 is not 2000, no matter what party line bloggers say or would like it to be.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Right...
but what about my 3 steps?
Never vote for people who hate you.
ERA Now!
The Widdershins
They sound good to me...
... but I'd like to hear what others think. I'm a writer, not really an organizer, or rather, I organize writing....
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
shoulda coulda...
Folks have been saying this candidate or that candidate is or could or will or would have changed things for as long as I have been alive. I have never seen any factual basis to support those contentions. Fact is it's not possible to become elected president under the current system without sucking the corporate teat. Gore did win. nothing changed. To say that was Nader's fault seems simplistic. I could just as easily say that if Nader had gotten more votes in 2k and 04 then the greens would stand a chance in 12. That statement has about as much factual basis as the statement that Nader was responsible for Gore not assuming his duly elected office. Ralph did call his shot though. There is no significant difference between the dems and the repubs. They are both slightly different segments of the right wing of the corporate party. Isn't that what the whole "Legacy Party" meme is about?
Rototillaphiliac
Yes, NOW they are the same,
but in 2000, there was still a difference. Ralph was wrong in 2000 because the Clinton years were, in general, good for the bottom 99%, and a good campaigner (which Gore was not) could have, and should have, used that framing to continue on to eight more years of center-left governance. CLEARLY there is a difference between the way Clinton-Gore governed and the way Bush-Cheney governed.
Do I blame people for voting for Nader? Nope. I never blame the voters for voting their conscience. I blame the Party and the politicians for not making a strong enough argument. And, I never said it was Nader's fault either. I simply said he was wrong. Factually speaking, there was no basis for his assertion that Gore and Bush would have governed in the same way.
In essence, however, although we disagree about Nader, I agree with your central point. No one candidate can really change the system, which was on life support before Bush and Obama, between the two of them, broke it completely.
So, we're back to how to change the broken system. The three steps I've listed above is the method I'd like to use in order to do it.
Never vote for people who hate you.
ERA Now!
The Widdershins
Okay.
I think your steps have merit. I guess the main problem facing us if that is the way forward, is how to organize a critical mass of people who share our views. But that has always been the problem. I think that may be due to the way the entire system is organized to favor corporatism. So perhaps a good first step is to look for ways to begin refocusing our system away from corporations and towards people who are NOT corporations.
Rototillaphiliac
Same as it ever was.
My experience has been that they have always been nearly the same parties. Even under Clinton. I think what has changed is that Bush demonstrated that there is no reason to continue hiding the evidence of the sameness of the legacy parties.
Rototillaphiliac
I think your plan is already happening, altho not as a "plan"
yet...it's just that the downtrodden masses are finally awakening to the reality of their situation..and it took the perfect storm (the Great Depression II) to do it. All I hear, everywhere I go, work, store, walking, are the statements of people who are beyond hurting, and they are searching for THE REASON. Unfortunately, the Right has captured their disaffection expertly, with a cohesive, pervasive, story that demonizes the "libruls", and gives simple, altho wrongheaded, answers to their problems. The left has yet to fashion a cogent response to the Putsch of the right, partly because of the inevitable splintering of a group that thinks for themselves, and partly because the left, recently, has not been interested in connecting with the voters, citizens, independents, whatever you want to call them but is MORE interested in crafting elegant, complex, and intellectual arguments, or positions (see Coakley). For crying out loud, Grayson is striking a chord, there are people out there howling in the wind, and the left cannot see to strike when the iron is hot?
"Rule number one: pay attention"-Ded Bob
How to organize...
Honestly, the way I see it happening is to propagate it to enough people. Corrente is a great place where lefties of all persuasions gather, and can spread ideas throughout the blogosphere. Many people who post here either have influential blogs, or post in influential blogs. So, I put these suggestions here and hope people will take them and run with them.
However, there is no substitute for face-to-face contact, and this is where I don't have a lot of practical help to offer in terms of resources - I just have ideas.
I wish I had the money and time to be a full-time lefty group facilitator. I don't understand why all the pro-choice women's groups and all the LGBT rights groups don't join together to support the ERA, for example. I also don't understand why pro-choice groups and single-payer groups don't join together to promote Medicare for All. It seems to me that concrete policy goals should be the raison d'etre of any advocacy group, and that when there is a goal in common, the advocacy groups in question should join forces to promote it. Organization, critical mass, structure, funding - these groups already have everything they need.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to convince these groups to see their commonality and go forward together to accomplish their goals. Maybe talking about it here will help.
Never vote for people who hate you.
ERA Now!
The Widdershins
actually, this is way too generous
The left, recently, is more interested in fighting and winning the class war within their own side. Thus the relentless pounding on first, Clinton's supporters (bitter old working class women inter alia, who don't even, gasp, use the internet!), then trailer-trashing Palin, and now moving on to crapping all over Scott Brown's supporters and their trucks -- anything at all to avoid any substantive policy discussion. Really, if Palin and Brown didn't exist, it would be necessary for the left to invent them, with their current strategies.
If only the left's problem was overly intellectual responses to problems -- that's just a communication problem, and could be solved with some decent marketing. That's not what the left is selling these days.
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen
I'd say class and gender wars
That's why the primaries were really a two-fer! Well, a three-fer, if you count the caucus fraud.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
yes, it really came down to the war aspect all around
the link to Allegre's place you put up on the dkos thread sums it up rather well; it was always about the campaign fights; rallying the troops at any cost, even the cost of losing the election. In that way, Democrats campaign jingoism were/are indistinguishable from Bush's use of 9/11 to rev up the jingoistic patriotism to ram through the war with Iraq and the eradication of constitutional rights. Even the caucus fraud was heavily laced with threats, intimidation and violence.
What it seems like no one in the Democratic leadership has yet realized is that they have lost the 'ownership' of the holy war energy to the right in a stunning example of 'be careful what you wish for.'
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen