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[The live blog has ended as of 5:00PM Eastern, but it was certainly lively, and I encourage you all to read and continue the conversation. --lambert]

In a few moments, we'll begin our chat with Paul Street, author of two books that uncover Barack Obama's "deep conservatism."

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MontanaMaven's picture

I read Paul's first book on Obama

And before that I read his articles which is one of the reasons I was not a fan of Obama early on in 2006. I was also not wowed by his speech at the convention when I was a delegate.

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

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I did a piece on ZNet two

I did a piece on ZNet two days after Keynote address: "Keynote Reflections" (late July 2004) taking that speech apart as deeply conservative in numerous ways. I ot 100+ e-mails (most approving) the day after. They were muzzling antiwar delegates on the floor and Obama was giving interview to the NYT and Chi Trib deeply qualiying his 'antiwar' position. Even then I thouht it all smelled "next president" and from the speech I assumed he would keep the imperial machine set on kill.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

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Sorry for delay - some

Sorry for delay - some problems with my password.

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vastleft's picture

Link to "Keynote Reflections"

http://www.zcommunications.org/keynote-r...

From a quick skim, I'd say you were waaaay ahead of the curve in understanding what was coming. I look forward to reading this in full!

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Yes, VastLeft....a few others

Yes, VastLeft....a few others (Glen Ford and Bruce Dixon at Black Agenda Report) were on the Obama beat with a strong left criticism pretty early on....like in ate 2003 and early 04. I was on early in part because I was working in the civil rights industry on the south side of Chicago 2000-2005 (VP and research director at chicago urban league) and had dealings (unpleasant) with Obama and has no illusions whatsoever thanks to early contact. You don't rise up in Daley's Chicago and Blago's Illinois by being the left progressives so many Iowans wanted to see in Obama in 2007!!!

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

thanks for that link


Serious left vision is about all-around leveling before, during, and after the policy process.

i'm looking forward to reading the rest of it too.

MontanaMaven's picture

It's brilliant. I'm glad Paul is here as we have lost Zinn

and Chomsky is pretty old.

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

Paul Street's picture

I miss Howard Zinn a great

I miss Howard Zinn a great deal. I felt a lot of kinship with Zinn.

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But Noam C. is still

But Noam C. is still unreal...I just started his latest book, the first part on Latin America and its just scary all the connections he makes and sources he mentions annd the pithy insights he hits you with like a left hook: boom. There will never be another Chomsky.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

vastleft's picture

Paul, welcome to the Mighty Corrente Building!

If anyone has any questions for you, this'll be a good time to post them.

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Paul, it seems that Obama has become even more outwardly

conservative since the mid-terms, and it's becoming increasingly acceptable in polite company to criticize him from the left (though there's still a long way to go).

Is that what you're seeing?

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Hi Paul, Has anyone done an in depth study

of the Iowa caucus in 2008? I was with the Edwards campaign and the Obama people at the precinct I was at in Des Moines were big guys and ex-Republicans. They were intimidating Hilary and Dodd people.

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Not that I know of

Not that I know of Montanamaven I haven't seen that in depth study yet. I was in Iowa City in 2007-08 and did help Edwards somewhat. The Johnson County Dems were deeply in thrall to the Obama machine on the whole. Still, we had a whole bunch of labbor progressive Edwards types and they had a very advanced critique of Obama as a conciliator, neo corporatist fake-progressive imperial half Republican and of how identity politics was seducing a lot of the academic sorts at U Iowa. Hillary was pretty unpopular in Iowa City. She did not run a good Caucus-specific campaign...lotsa money but not spent as wisely as the Obama people spent theirs, what withh their slick micro-targeting and niche-martketing. The Obama campaign here was slick, slick,....very sharp. The Obama staffers were vapid, not especially progressives. The Edwards staffers were more out of labor and other social movements; the Obama staffers were goofy but at the top level and out of Chicago slick. And they had the kids, the college students all locked up at U Iowa.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

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Oh I think its the same old

Oh I think its the same old Obama but yes the Tea O.P, mid term triumph is enhancing his rightward drift instincts (which go back to the beginning...he first achived notoreity by becoming editor of Harvard Law Review and he did that by cutting a deal with the right wing Federalist society - that's been a pattern throughout) but now he no longer has as much Blue Dog cover and so has to more obviously reach out to the GOP. The federal worker pay freeze is sick deficit reduction theater....very insulting. It does little for the deficit and federal pay is not that high. It's a negative for the economy in that it reduces the purchasing power of working people. He is going to go along with GOP on keeping Bush II tax cuts for the rich, which is a real deficit-driver and totally dysfunctinal, economically speaking. Of course, this is a time for federal job creation, not deficit reduction games...

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

MontanaMaven's picture

I too am seeing a trend towards calling him out as a

conservative rather than as just spineless? Is there anything to his being spineless?

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

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Spineless versus conservative

I don't think its spineless. He's not nice on a personal level - not afraid to alienate and tell you to go eff yourself. I remember from Chicago. Not like he was some kind of guy you could bully. I don't really get into the spinleless narrative. I think he's really conservative. And I think he's very narcissistic, which is of course a common trait among politicians. He wanted and got the presidency and was more than willing to cut deals with the people who could make that possible...with the plutocracy. They vetted him carefully and well. Ken Silverstein wrote about some of this in a 2006 essay at Harper's: "Obama Inc." It started in 2003, when Obama got the nod to go for U.S. Senate seat. Well, indoctrination in ruling class and imperial ideology started earlier. Not so much spineles on progressive issues as not commitment to those issues. In my days in Chicago he was this operator who would come into the middle of some issue and craft some sort of half-measure that seemed like a progressive reform but really wasn't, put it on his resume and move forward with his career. Started at Harvard Law...

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

vastleft's picture

A link to "Barack Obama Inc." from Harper's

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Crushing refuatation of the "weak Obama" meme.

Perhaps the single most important point made on this thread.

JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do

-- Philly Cream

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Doubly pernicious when the left embraces it

1. It's not true;

2. The answer is implicit in the framing: A better candidate. So it's simply the flip site of celebrity-driven politics, done amateurishly.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

vastleft's picture

On #2

Perhaps more often, the notion is that the same incumbent candidate just needs a wake-up call (such as a not-so-sternly worded MoveOn petition/fundraising drive), and then his wonderful instincts and values will come to the fore.

MontanaMaven's picture

Will the unions ever leave the Democrats? This Korean

Trade deal is awful.

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

Paul Street's picture

Unions and Democrats

...will not leave without a rank and file rebellion and completely new leadership. I used to naively think I could do real work for the American labor movement and just kept running into this iron law of oligarchy ahd sheer conservative stupidity. Quite horrifying.

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MontanaMaven's picture

Do you know Tom Geoghegan?

I like his writing style. "Which Side are You On" is a devastating look at labor through a labor lawyer's eyes.

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

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I met TG once at a speaking

I met TG once at a speaking thing at Northwestern. Nice guy - idiosyncratic but smart.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

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On unions and dems, please

On unions and dems, please remember two gross things; (1) in late 2007 he assaults Edwards (actually pro-labor) as a tool of "the big special interests that control Washington") because Edwards was getting advertisement support from SEIU (as if big labor was the big power in the country...absurd); (2) in 2008 in his economic advisor the neoliberal jerk economist Austan Goolsbee told Canadian officials to disregard Obama's campaign rhetoric (to Ohioe workers) about trade law reform ...basically Goolsbee said "don't worry, this is just the fake populist crap you have to say to all these sorry ass proletarian shlubs; he's really safe for global capital." Well that promise has been born out. They haven't lifted a finger for EFCA. And labor leadership seems not to care; just pathetic.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

I just saw this attempt at

I just saw this attempt at Salon to belittle a primary challenge to Obama. I have pretty much moved beyond the Democratic party, and not that interested in whether they primary Obama or not. But I think that history shows that the electorate has a strong record of voting against failed and unpopular Presidents by voting in the other of our two corporatist parties. So the Democrats if they stick with Obama, or not, look to be setting themselves up for a loss in 2012. This is mostly academic for me, because barring a third party progressive candidacy (which looks unlikely right now) and party ticket, what we will get no matter who wins in 2012 is more of the same.

Hugh

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No primary challenge

Well it will be a great sign of how completely and finally dead the Dems are as any kind of agent of any half progressive vision of a good society that Obama's cringing corporatism and aggressive miltiarism and police-statism etc. does not yield a significant progressive primary challenge. I tend to protest/left vote but without illusion. We would have to fundamentally overhaul the existing dominant big money mib media candidate centered electoral/party system for third/fourth party electoralism to make much difference right now.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

from your website: Although

from your website:

Although mainstream journalists have noted discrepancies between Obama's original vision and reality, Paul Street uniquely measures Obama's record against the expectations of the truly progressive agenda many of his supporters expected him to follow.

i thought from the beginning that obama's original 'vision' was republican, so how [or why], in your opinion, did his supporters expect a progressive agenda?

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Why they expected a progressive agenda

Well his progressive supporters were often very childish in projecting their own values and identity on him but they were encouraged to do so in the primary campaign and to some extent in the general election. I saw the Obama campaign work to create a progressive imagery about Obama in campus towns in 2007 and 2008. They knew what they were doing. But of course they also said other things to other constituents and made all kinds of nice promises of safety and allegiance to the power/business elite....to the unelected and interrelated dictatorships of money and empire. I was very irritated at his intellectual supporters who claimed to be left but would't go do any basic due diligence research on his statements to the elite and who wouldn't do any serious content analysis looking for the many conservative signs in his campaign rhetoric and writing etc.

The capitalists and big shot politcos/election investors interviewed by Silverstein for his 2006 essay had no illusions: "What's the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist" one big lobbyist told KS. "We wouldn't be investing in Brand Obama if we didn't know he was safe to wall Street." well...more than safe: he offered them a fake progrerssive multicultural re-branding (same for the Empire abroad). Now Katrina Vanden Heuevel at al,,,,had no need to be reality based on His Holiness the Dalai Obama and really debased themselves. Michael Moore liberal man crush was disgusting to behold. I wanted to tell him to go get a room with his Obama poster!

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

MontanaMaven's picture

I dropped my "Nation" subscription during the primaries

because of their turning away from progressive candidates in favor of the fake one. Yes, gross and disgusting behavior from Moore. Maybe you and Matt Taibbi should run in the "At Least We aren't Pricks Party" or at least do a book tour together.

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Groucho Marx

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Constitutional amendment

I very much like your proposal for a Democracy Constitutional Amendment - I won't list the points now - but wouldn't that be such a long slog that we might be in 3rd or 4th world land then, with a more "police 'war-on-terror-manufactured-meme - state" happening? Or is this "conspiracy" hyper-fantasizing about the future (the police state atmosphere)?

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Constitutional Amendment

I have friends who are very into this - the democracy amendment --- but my God that would be difficult to bring about. The hurldes are very high and the notion of existin authorities lettin us re-write elections laws along left progressive-friendly lines is pretty fantastic.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

vastleft's picture

Paul, how often have people said to you

"You were right about Obama, I was wrong."

In four-and-a-half years of Obama-skeptic writing at Corrente, I can only recall two pro-Obama bloggers coming out and saying that to us.

You were well ahead of us. Have many people come forward and apologized to you for blowing off your critique (or worse)?

Paul Street's picture

no I don't hear that...

I almost never hear this. I heard it once.

Not one apology. Never.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

Terri's picture

Testing

Is the live blogging still taking place?

Terri

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Still on

Still on

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vastleft's picture

Terri!

Yes, we're still on the air!

vastleft's picture

Overall, what are you seeing is the "progressive" reaction to...

... the multi-pronged silencing of WikiLeaks?

I've been struck by how many people are more or less OK with it.

Paul Street's picture

I am not monitoring this -

I am not monitoring this - the progressive silence but yes that's what I would expect. Glen Greenwald has some very good writings on the role that journalists are playing in the assault on Assagne and WikiLeaks. Sad. The sorry surrender of the of the so-called radical left continues.

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Obama's (non-reaction) lack of comment on WikiLeaks

Thank you VL and Paul!

In the UK's Telegraph, appeared this article: "Is this the Keystone Kops presidency? Barack Obama needs to get serious about WikiLeaks" which noted:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilega...

"OBAMA hasn’t even commented publicly on the release of over a
quarter of a million US diplomatic cables, despite the immense damage
the leak is doing to American diplomacy and US strategic interests on
the world stage. He is giving all the appearance of a commander-in-chief
who is not in control, with an inept administration that seems to
blunder from one crisis to another, at times with no-one at the helm."

Paul, what do you make about Obama's silence and lack of commentary regarding WikiLeaks? Thanks.

Terri

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Obama and Wiki

Oh he wants to deny Assange and WL credibility and thinks it would lend them legitimacy to comment. The empire is very embarassed by the image of the U.S. a big pathetic and pitiful and ugly beast that is spread by the WL cable and by the fact that Assange and WL keep getting whistleblown stuff out there. I don't think its just Obama administration. Gabriel Kolko has written for years, well decades, about the empire's delusion that it can run the whole world from the banks of the Potomac and how they blunder from one fiasco to another.....having this bluidnering exposed is bad in their view. The big Mafia Don. the world's only "superpower" must look smart, effective, and when necessary ruthless. They don't want to recognize the real existence and relevance of this "punk" Assange and his band of merry leakers and exposers.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

lambert's picture

It isn't "wiki" it's WikiLEAKS

Wiki is a technical platform; WikiLeaks is an editorial work product.

It's like confusing "newspapers" with "the newspaper of record" and the (unintentionally, no doubt) deceptive shorthand tends to discredit the technical platform, which is used for a lot of interesting and not especially corporate endeavors that leftists tend to support.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

vastleft's picture

This is a chat, and I think we understand the shorthand

Since WL/WikiLeaks has been referenced throughout.

I don't disagree with you about eschewing that shorthand, but perhaps it's not necessary to pounce.

lambert's picture

Ever heard of Google?

It's especially necessary. And I see this error constantly.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

lambert's picture

Paul, what would you recommend on the local level?

Basically, Versailles looks like a tear-down, to me. And for reasons that might be obvious, it makes sense to get to know your local sherrif and the rest of town government.

Thoughts on this?

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Paul Street's picture

local level

Oh there's a lot do at the local level. Support local foods and sustainable agriculture over suburban sprawl and mass retailing. Eco building standards. the list goes on. If the national political culture is just on lock down because of the aforementioned de facto dictatorships by all means think about doing stuff at local level.

Paul Street is a left author and commentator in Iowa City, IA.

lambert's picture

Pretty much what I'm doing

Although the Versailles system seems fractal, in that the big kleptocracy contains smaller ones, which contains smaller ones.... It's fraudsters all the way down.

Gee, see Stirling, here. Now I understand that post.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

You were ahead of me on the

You were ahead of me on the learning curve with regard to Obama. I was one of those who did not consider Obama progressive but thought he was likely going to be the Democratic nominee and that he would a Democrat that progressives could work with. But then there was the Jeremiah Wright affair. There was his belligerence on Iran. And finally the FISA Amendments Act in July 2008. When he bailed on that. I bailed on him.

He has lived down to my expectations ever since. I sort of wonder how much of Obama was successful merchandizing and how much was that the blogosphere was still evolving and still saw a difference between the two parties.

I am a self-exile from firedoglake. When I left there what struck me was how much of the blogosphere and how many of the liberal orgs are owned by the Democrats. With some it is overt, and then there are places like firedoglake which I call Trojan horses. They criticize some Democrats some of the time but many of their staff are Democratic activists and so the site invariably sees the world through an essentially Democratic-Republican prism. I have become quite critical of this because I think it serves to vent and dissipate progressive energies rather than concentrate them in opposition to the anti-progressive Democrats.

Hugh

I think it was Keynes who

I think it was Keynes who said the markets can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent, but I have been predicting a crash in 2011 for almost two years now. There is a lot of static and noise in the economic picture but the conditions for such a collapse are intensifying both here and around the world.

So if there is a crash in say the next 12 months, how do you think it will change the political picture? Will it change it?

Hugh

Paul Street's picture

Crash in 2011

...oh it would guarantee a Republican victory in 2012. Right now I think BO is even money to come back. With a crash he's toast.

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