While some of the *wince* Kossacks are pushing the Unity Pony viz. H. Clinton, there's a segment of them unwilling to accept this, because they feel that there's a possibility, if not now than in 2012 or 2016 that the Clinton campaign spectre might rise from the grave wherein they believe they have interred it.

Of course she's coming back, she said so herself.
"I'm going to count my blessings and keep on going. I'm going to keep doing what I was doing long before the cameras ever showed up and what I'll be doing long after they're gone"

Or perhaps my little dog ears misunderstood?

She did that nice little riff, with call and response, about how McCain is McSame.

Oh, well. Listening skills are not taught much nowadays.

No, says CBS News body language expert Craven Panderer, III

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/2...

"What we wanted to see was a Churchillian speech, something that would move her candidate to cross that magic fence. And she delivered a speech, but the gestures -- the non-verbals that give us the emotion -- really weren't there."

This was obviously what our young Cheeto eater was picking up on at TPM.. She wasn't Churchillian enough to get Barry over the "magic fence." I guess that holds in the Magic Ponies....

She may have been foaming at the mouth with the words for O'Lovin'.. But she didn't attack so what big huge zero she is.

And what are words.. anyway.. just uh speech.. n stuff.. gestures count more in getting candidates over the magic fences...

feh. is too good.

dupager

I don't think Obama is going to win so I've been trying to come to terms with the *shudder* idea of a *shudder* McCain presidency. The silver lining may be that a McCain win will really embarrass the media and there will be a backlash against the Village propaganda. Maybe, just maybe, the next time won't be as horrendous as this time. If Obama wins, it'll probably get worse for the midterms. *shudder*

Is not in Obama's tank (isn't that what the problem we all have is? It was just the wrong half?). That half is now firmly in Hillary and Bill's tank, she cemented that last night.

I think we will know more after tonight and even more after Thursday. I am cautiously optimistic that she will be able to muscle Harry Reid out as Senate majority leader. Especially if Obama loses, but even if Obama wins.

I can't believe that more people don't see that this is a watershed moment in the parties history. This is make or break time. It is not a time to give up. Yes, Obama is going to be the candidate, but that DOES NOT MEAN that the party necessarily has to morph into his own private cheering section.

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Around these parts we call cucumber slices circle bites

That's the question about our votes...it may not be possible to achieve it all with just one vote so we will have to choose the best possible scenario.

But I'm with Lambert--no more choices now until November, with lots more opportunity for information gathering, right?

A local Obama person on phonebank just called to see what we made of Hillary's speech...we are supposed to be for Obama now. This kind of call (especially with no outreach or offers) is not helping...comes off as the pc police. Kinda like that letter in the other thread. (What a waste of money and resources too.)

Yay yay Hillary reminding us of great causes. We can all work on those.

The only other thing is speaking out against injustice and bad policies--so same old same old for us...

Obama's in trouble. McCain just passed him in the daily Gallup tracking--by 2, within the margin of error, but McC's been down 2. It's very close.
No Biden bump--at all apparently.
McC pulls ahead during the D convention, which usually gives a bump too? Although we aren't quite to the conventional 3 days of polling yet so we don't know the total convention rxn. yet. But the GOP usually gets a bump from theirs and it's right after the D...McC's made a series of gaffes and he's associated with some of the problems of the Bush Admin. But McC has made some high profile departures from big Bush problems--and people remember him being independent (maverick brand firmly in place still.) He really did some stuff like Feingold/McCain campaign reform--and he's living by it.
What O needs to do Thursday: relate to people in a concrete, specific way. I'm not sure he can do this, because it would have helped him so much already, but O needs to say, 'your lives are like this' and 'here's a realistic way I will help.' Not we can't have SUVS and the rest of the world is so much less fortunate than us...it's true and I care and work about stuff like that, but he's running to be the President of us right here and he needs to say, you can keep living your life. You're still working hard, still doing what you should, and I will make sure these for-profit corporations stop overcharging (billions in profit for all oil companies is price-fixing) and make sure you can eat and drive and go to school.

be able to get well from being sick--he must say this too.

Out of curiosity, why is it that we'd have lost the country, permanently, in 2008, and say not in 2000 or 2004 (especially)? I ask this because I've heard others (mostly the OFB) make the same statement (i.e. This is the most important election, ever). I wondering what Bush did, now, that's so much different than what he'd done up till 2005. It's been my view, in hindsight, that if we did, in fact, lose the country, it was Bush's re-election in 2004. Unlike so many, I'm not sure I feel the urgency that's being pushed this year.

party leader has recently taken steps to either modulate that sense of urgency into real action, or take steps to lessen the damage Republicans have caused (pace Tip O'Neill).

It isn't that the boy is crying wolf; it's that the boy's taken so many lunches and junkets with the wolf that we don't understand why he's throwing a hissy, after all this time of being its friend.