and that includes the ridiculous (and discredited) story about Obama’s fight with Elizabeth Edwards that caused so much self-congratulation here this AM.

If Hillary’s web site doesn’t acknowledge Bill throwing a hissy fit over their “Judas”, the Chronicle is obviously inventing lies out of whole cloth because they’ve fallen for Obama’s “hope” BS and feel threatened by accomplished women.

“If one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.” - Bill Clinton

M&R are a gossip column, they do unsourced speculation and throw out secret source stuff all the time. Anyone who takes them as an authoritative source on the gossip stuff might as well cite Politico or Drudge or the drunk at the end of the bar.

But because they are connected, every once and a while they pull out a gem before everyone else. That’s why I read them, but with a salt shaker at the ready.

I love my Chron, and no they aren’t particularly lefty in their reporting but they are Liberal in the classic sense of the term, and tend to be progressive on the editorial side.

Because the media has insisted, stretching back to the beginning of Bill Clinton’s first presidential term, that whenever his complexion turns any shade of pink to red, or whenever he uses his index finger to point while he’s talking, that he is having a meltdown, by which they usually mean that he is expressing out of control anger.

That’s why, and that is the only reason why.

The fact is that Bill Clinton is one of those people who blush very easily, i.e., blood rushes to his face with exertion or intensity of any kind.

It was myiq2xu’s point, ribonucleic, that we have much visual evidence of occasions declared by the media to be examples of Clinton meltdowns which, at the least, could reasonable be seen as perfectly in control moments of intense focus, and/or a moment of un-angry expression of displeasure or disagreement, or even an un-angry if intense discussion of anger.

And yes, these distinctions are required in speaking of the Clintons because of the media distortions about both of them and their time in and out of office which have become unquestioned conventional wisdom.

myiq2xu, here’s some more data for your UPDATE.

NPR ran a story, yesterday, about Clinton’s meeting with the uncommitted super-delegates, and there was nothing at all about Clinton anger, quite the opposite. You can find the story here; there’s a transcript but you get a better picture by listening to the audio.

Similarly, one of our local NPR stations, did its own report on the same meeting, and again, not only nothing about a Clinton meltdown, but clear indications that cordiality was the mode, and that Clinton was not even pushing much. You can find the audio and a transcript here.

Update: And, BTW, the story if already being played on MSNBC, without any indication that anyone there has bothered to check out the story with delegates other than the ones cited in the SF Chronicle story.

… that scene in Primary Colors when “Jack Stanton” threw his cell phone out the car window.

You can’t make up stuff like that.

“I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions in my years on this earth.” - Hillary Clinton

Glad to welcome you to the reality-based community, ribo.

Of course, as far as “You can’t make up stuff like that,” that’s just pure ignorance or malevolence. The right has been “making up stuff” about the Clintons for years. That’s why seeing the Obama Fan Base leverage lies manufactured by the right for the purpose of fomenting hatred of the Clintons sucks.

But thanks for the comment. Sunlight, as I’ve been saying, is the best disinfectant.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

It may well be that the Clinton campaign has been infiltrated with RNC operatives, who from time to time drop some tidbit to the press to undermine her candidacy. Nothing like a “Clinton campaign operative” source to validate a lie.

Then other ratfuckers, and just general MSM assholes as well as…well, no sense naming names, their behavior marks them by itself…start repeating the lie and referencing each other and so it goes.

Clinton generally does so poorly with the media that repeating this kind of swill is just second nature, the MSM do it like breathing. I am impressed, however, that Clinton so frightened Scaife he now is trying to make nice just in case she pulls it out. She may not have busted his balls, but they sure are sucked way up high in his belly.

That is a nebulous term, isn’t it? Hillary’s campaign includes some highly-paid political advisors, paid clerical staff, volunteers and high-profile endorsers/fundraisers.

If you want to volunteer to help Hillary (or Obama for that matter) show up at an office and I’m sure they’ll put you to work. They don’t vet everyone who offers to help.

So when a story refers to an anonymous “campaign operative” we don’t know if they are referring to Mark Penn or the kid who fetches coffee and donuts in the Punxatawny PA field office.

“I don’t belong to any organized political party.
I’m a Democrat.” - Will Rogers

I know he’s “famous” for it, but given the treatment his wife has received, I think he’s shown remarkable restraint. That Chris Matthews lives and breaths with nary a black eye on his body is proof that he has remarkable control over his temper.

… that scene in Primary Colors when “Jack Stanton” threw his cell phone out the car window.

You can’t make up stuff like that.

Yeah you can. Chuck Norris’ lead character in Walker, Texas Ranger threw not just several cellphones but at least one laptop, taken off his partner’s knees as he went down the road, out the window of the pickup over the course of the series.

Anybody who’s ever *really* been pissed off with a cellphone has pitched at least one into a barditch. (Going back to get the POS is a pain in the neck.)

So whatever fathead put together “Primary Colors” wasn’t making stuff up. He was channelling popular media symbolism of the times: cellphone problems = frustration = expensive frisbee. End of story.

Saying you can’t make it up is disingenuous at best. Somebody made it up, somebody copied that, and it caught on. (Sound familiar?)

Who were the Larry Hagman and Kathy Bates characters supposed to represent?

A gay, cocaine using Democratic Governor and a mentally ill lesbian who commits suicide?

Billy Bob Thornton sure nailed James Carville tho.

“I don’t belong to any organized political party.
I’m a Democrat.” - Will Rogers

was Joke Line

“I don’t belong to any organized political party.
I’m a Democrat.” - Will Rogers

the difference, these days?

The thing is — the claim that “you can’t make this stuff up” about throwing a cell phone out a car window is … fatuous.

that scene in Primary Colors

I could have sworn I said something about that the other day.

Honestly, in this case, I think Ribo may be pulling our legs. But, I’ve been wrong before.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Tonight watching Campbell Brown, one of the superdelegates at the meeting appropriately told Brown that what went on at the private meeting was private.

Guess we know who not to trust with any state secrets…

But the Kathy Bates character was Clinton adviser Betsey Wright.

… would be, I think, the Obama character. Except we find out the, er, biographical details just a little too late in real life, unlike the movie.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

aka Mario Cuomo.

But I don’t remember Cuomo dropping out of the race and confessing to using cocaine with gay hookers.

Cuomo was never in the race, and NY governors don’t mess around with gay hookers.

“I don’t belong to any organized political party.
I’m a Democrat.” - Will Rogers