Sinfonian can’t understand all the objections to a mail in.

Oregonian who always votes by mail, I just have to shake my head at the assertion that a mail-in primary would somehow be unfair, or fraught with fraud. From what I understand, Florida already has absentee balloting at their elections. A mail-in primary just does the very same thing on a larger scale. What is so hard about that? If there is no fraud in their current absentee system, why would there be fraud if it were expanded? I read all this tripe with disbelief.

It shouldn’t be this hard, guys. Just make the commitment to do it, get off your sorry pontificating asses, and get it done. The voters - and the rest of us dems watching - are sick of this silliness. If we don’t do it, we illegitimize the winner, bottom line. We give the Republicans another bone to beat us over the head with in a general election. And on top of that, I think we split the democratic party more seriously then it already is. It is no mistake that Rush Limbaugh is currently laughing his ass off every show about the chaos they have caused us democrats.

Apparently, the Democratic Party thinks halving the FL delegates and splitting MI just might be our solution.

Now since both candidates have to agree on a course of action and the DNC is refusing to lead on this issue and do right (i.e. they favor Obama), what are the chances that we’ll actually have a revote or seat the delegates as is? Not bloody likely.

what really needs to happen after november is for the DNC and RNC to sit down and create a schedule that makes sense for both parties — my suggestion would be to start with California and Iowa at the end of January, then two Texas and New Hampshire two weeks later, and every two weeks after that put together groups of nearby states whose combined electoral college vote is 40-50, starting with the smallest groups first.

States that try to jump ahead of their place in the schedule would lose 1/4 of their at large delegates, and all their “superdelegates” — and candidates should be required to pledge not to campaign in those states (and superdelegates will only be permitted to vote for candidates who abide by those rules on the first three ballots).

All delegates should be allocated based on the proportion of votes in each state, and states that hold caucuses instead of elections should be penalized 1/3 of the at-large delegates.

Sinfonian can’t understand all the objections to a mail in.

It just doesn’t make sense to me.

If they object to the mail-in revote, they should suggest alternatives that will work. So far I’ve heard precious little in the way of better remedies.

I don’t know myself whether or not mail-in is the best way to go, but I don’t buy the unfairness argument, nor do I think people would be more disenfranchised by a mail-in revote than they would be by not having a revote at all.

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What a surprise that Lord Kos is pushing it!

How does taking people’s votes away from them achieve legitimacy?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

and you’ll get excommunicated from the Obamacratic party.

I expect the Obama and Hillary camps to be mendacious and hypocritical on this subject, but there is a dearth of grown-ups in the Democratic party trying to fix the problem instead of trying to fix the election.

(Present company excluded)

4. Following The Rulez (especially when, as BTD points out, the rules have rules to change the rules, there’s a credentials committee, and the superdelegates are going to decide everything anyhow).

that last part is why i can’t muster much enthusiasm for these discussions anymore. it’s out of “our hands” and all about backroom deals now. sorry to sound trite, but i just don’t care about the minutae and await being told by the Serious in the Village for whom i should vote in the fall.

… and even the lowliest C-lister can help, especially when so many of the A-listers are so visibly and enthusiastically screwing the pooch.

Besides, principles are principles, no matter how imperfectly applied. It’s worth it, to me, to say what’s #1 and what’s #4, as part of laying down the record.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Is what the voters have chosen. (*)

If the voters had a strong preference for Sen Clinton or Sen Obama, all the superdelegates in the party couldn’t change the nominee.

Right now, looks like we’re going into the convention in a tie, and the superdelegates are the tie-breaking logic.

* Except FL and MI, and we need a good solution there, DNC folks.