As a blogger the oddity of it all is just so bizarre I’ve got to look. This is a little beyond my scope. BUT!! If any MIAKA out there wants to give an interview . . . Come on, I just got used to men holding hands and kissing. What the fuck is going on? I need a time out. Somebody stop the world I need to get off. I’m not trying to trip. Just somebody tell me what’s going on? Why take over AKA’s tradition? Why not start your own Greek organization? Is there some deeper meaning? Is there some need for recognition or fulfillment that this serves that can’t be met in any other way? Why destroy something that doesn’t belong to you? Tell me cause I don’t get it. Please, somebody help me understand. So all of my brethren that are out there – let a brother know what’s going on. Video
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Masking and spoofing...
I've often thought that with cameras becoming ubiquitous and surveillance everywhere, that masks should become de rigeur. Unfortunately, we'd have to put them on all at once, or masking would, paradoxically, make the masked person more conspicuous, not less.
No authoritarians were tortured in the writing of this post.
The masks are symbolic and
The masks are symbolic and representative of probate shows that most historically African-American fraternity and sorority chapters participate in.
Yeah the mask thing is
provacative. After Mardi Gras, I was watching V for Vendetta not the lizzard movie, and Eyes wide shut. I think the masked ball should make a return. They got that part right.
What's the downside to the female sororities?
(Before I saw this post, I would have thought my subject line was redundant.)
Are these men actually sneaking into women's groups, or are they running their own independent pseudo-chapters?
How are they "destroying" something?
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this will make xeno mad at me, but i say
ha! and ha ha. assuming it's real, sounds to me like someone is finally mocking the pompous greek communties at HBC environments.
the whole concept of the greek system offends me. boilerplate, i rushed, and got accepted, by a sorority when i was an undergraduate. i didn't pledge because they took me, and not my best friend. i assume it was because she was a tad heavier than was acceptable.
black folks need to stop imitating the old white plantation system. that's basically what frats and sororities are all about. light skinned, thin, pretty, fecund, "proper" young women aligned with the "leadership" class of black men, who just happen to be already more likely to come from a black middle class that has more or less walked away from the black working class these days.
you know what this makes me think of? the NAACP. i was looking at the website, trying to find interesting news, and all i could find was "sponsorship" opportunties and reports about self-congratulatory conferences and conventions in which TV stars were given awards.
i consider myself a member, and i accuse myself along with others in the black leadership class. too many of us have been coopted, distracted, and otherwise embraced "safe" civic action in place of what really needs to take place.
there is nothing "sacred" about sorority or fraternity tradition. dressing in colored clothes, running around at night, spanking each other's bottoms...whatever. if a bunch of people, gay or otherwise, want to mock the greek system, i say good on them.
and in the comments, some of the readers were asking if this is even "real," or just some rumor that has gotten out of control. there is also the point that frats aren't exactly welcoming of gays, so in that sense if this is real, it seems an obvious response.
Give me a break
Why all the anger? Is there more to your friend being rejected than you are admitting? As a woman who is "heavier" and a part of a sorority I can honestly say no one made me step on a scale or held a paper bag up to my face. Whatever the criteria for "getting in" your “friend” didn't make the cut. Maybe she didn’t do enough community service? Maybe her essay stunk? Don't hate because of that.
As for the MIAKA's…they are mocking years of tradition and it is not cute. What the sororities and fraternities mean to those that do become a part of them can not be described in words and for someone to try to take that away is disrespectful and hurtful.
You’re bitter. Get over
You're bitter. Get over it already. I'm a big girl and alot of my sorors are heavy as well. Every chapter doesn't operate the same. Maybe if you had finished the process you would have been one of the ladies to help your chapter but oh well we all have a choice. It's not the organizations fault that you feel this way but the people that you dealt with and your own insecurities. Grow up baby girl and let this go. This too shall pass. As far as the MIAKA's, their imitators just like the Delta's!
SKEEEEEEEEEEE-WEEEEEE
Shug Avery #14
Beta Pi
Spring '99
Generalizations?
I've found the comments to be spewed with ignorance and generalizations. Here is a point of clarification particularly to the comments written by "Chicago..." which illustrates that you know very little about Greek life despite the fact that you rushed. Firstly, MIAKAs are REAL and are an auxiliary group. There are several of these including but not confined to: KAPPA Sweethearts and Omega Pearls. Some chapters of Greek Organizations, much to my disagreement, actually "pledge" these "auxiliary groups bearing the same colors as their own legit Greek Lettered Organizations. Other organizations just use persons in auxiliary groups as extra help for program planning and program facilitation. All of these behaviors are against the National Organization's jurisdiction. Therefore, in my humble opinion, these actions tend to do a disservice to the founding principles of the "Divine Nine Greek Organizations." Secondly, the people who abuse and demean the name and founding principals of their organizations are not different than those that demean the principals taught to them by their parents/family members/religions -- this is a manifestation of the lack of integrity that is universal and is not only portrayed in Greek life, but found any and every where. Furthermore, some people honestly join these organizations for the wrong reasons! Some people are attracted to the stereotypes associated with the organization "being pretty/cute" instead of the founding principals. Some are attracted to these organizations so that they can "network" and not because of the founding principals. Some people join these organizations because they are "legacies" and if every man or woman in their family belonged to the organization they feel that they should too -- WRONG! Therefore, these people do not necessarily attend to do the public service work outlined in the founding principles. My ultimate point in saying this is that some of the Divine Nine Greek Organizations are phenomenal and these organization's name should not be belittled due to the actions done by a few bad seeds -- chapters are chapter members that are out of order. Although there are downsides to Greek life, just as there are downsides to the totality of human existence, those people that honor and follow the principles and guidelines of their organizations do phenomenal public service work that might not otherwise be done -- some organizations do more than others and therefore have a better reputation than others. Thus, I believe it is dangerous to group all Greek Lettered Organizations or all Diving Nine Greek Organizations together. Although entwined, each organization has a separate history, separate vows and oaths, separate structures and platforms, separate membership bodies, separate goals, and separate values. These values extend far beyond the stereotypes of wearing certain colors, throwing parties, and ect. These values including, building hospitals on other countries, lobbying for human rights, doing community service in impoverished neighborhoods, and ect. I'm finished here.
Chicago Dyke-Miakas
I think Chi-Dyke is a hater and a liar. For one, black folks don't rush, that's what white fraternities an soroities do. If you would have researched black fratenities and sororities you would have found out that they were created to help blacks graduate from college. The white man slave plantation system crap you mentioned was present way before greek organizations were created and will be here well after. Hm? Did you know those facts before you "rushed"? It seems to me that if that so called sorority would have accepted your friend you would be wearing those letters today. What further exposes your ignorance is the fact that you actually though that the women at that specific university and sorority represents the whole sorority as a whole. That's as stupid as saying that all blacks steal and all white folks can't jump.Now,
I can say that greeks have lost their way a little bit and have gotten away from the essence of their existance and service to the community but how far has those aboninations known as "miaka's" have strayed from the Bible and the teachings of my GOD!
I ain't mad at ya
vastleft - I believe that they are running a shadow op. They are destroying the integrity of the brand and the organization , the colors, the letter the paraphenalia, the history, the secrets. Is it real - I don't know.
CD - black folks need to stop imitating the old white plantation system. that’s basically what frats and sororities are all about. light skinned, thin, pretty, fecund, “proper” young women aligned with the “leadership” class of black men, who just happen to be already more likely to come from a black middle class that has more or less walked away from the black working class these days.
You know I find the whole "Black Greek" thing absolutely absurd. I just don't know how this is going to play out. You and I both know that tis is going to be an issue "in house." It just seems so hostile.
We were ready for a gay frat. We may have been ready for a gay sorority (shiver). But damn, talk about symbolic appropriation. You notice they picked the AKAs and not the Deltas or Sigma Gamma Rho, OR the Zetas - they would have gotten their ass beat.
All I'm sayng is is this really the best way to come out to the communuity? Or is it the point to simply say fuck you. I'm telling you I feel conterintel all over this. You have Black women and Black homosexuals going at each other. It's a cat fight.
Thank god they weren't in the middle of something important like mobilizing the vote where the majority of young black college age voters are.
I really wish people would
I really wish people would do more research on African-American fraternities and sororities before they attempt to show thier ignorance of the organizations by bad-mouthing them. Especially since a vast majority or our famous deceased and living African-American leaders are members of them: Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (Alpha Phi Alpha), Bill Cosby (Omega Psi Phi), Phylicia Rashad (Alpha Kappa Alpha), Maya Angelou (Delta Sigma Theta), Johnny Cochran (Kappa Alpha Psi), and I could go on for days!
These are individuals that are civil rights leaders in their on right as they have paved the road for countless African-Americans to follow in their footsteps. These are positive, prominent, educated African-Americans that I look up to and am proud of their accomplishments. So for a person to say that "we need to stop imitating the old plantation system" shows just how truly ignorant you are about the inception and existence of these greek-lettered organizations.
How dare you speak ill will towards organizations that have been the basis for African-American collegiate scholastics and commraderie as well as at the forefront of civil right issues such as segregation, the right to vote and equality amongst all people. To say that these gentlemen choose AKA because the other organizations wouldn't stand for it again, adds to your ignorance. This MIAKA organization is the topic of this particular website, which means you are ignorant to all of the other auxillary groups. AKA is not the only sorority that has male auxillary group followers. EVERY sorority has them, again, MIAKA's are specifically the topic of this site. Again, please research your suggestions and comments prior to posting them. We have enough discrimination from people outside our race, lets not divide ourselves by turning on each other within our own race. Education brings about the loss of ignorance, and unless you study and take the extra step to research information before you ignorantly speak on them, your education has been in vain.
Maya Angelou is not a Delta
Maya Angelou is not a Delta but an AKA
Maybe You Should Do Some Research
As a member of a BlackGreekLetterOrganization as well as the gay community I felt that I must comment on this topic. First I understand where both arguments being made are coming from the fact is yes these organizations were created during civil rights movement to help uplift the African American Community through public service and scholarship but, they have moved so far away from their founding purpose. I agree that the founders of these organizations never intended for men to be in these organization but, they never wanted to belittle their own meaning other African Americans in the way that BGLO's have grown popular for during these modern times. The fact of the matter is BGLO's were created b/c WGLO's wouldn't include African Americans, ironically BGLO's excluded and humilate blacks especially prospects more than WGLO's . It's funny to me how you said that before badmouthing greek letter organizaion people should know their history but, i'm not sure if you know yours...Did You Know? Secret Societies orginated in Africa so, pretty much we should be African Letter Organizations but, hey if the white people say it greek than thats right i guess it...ha....Did You Know? To call your self a BLACK GREEK is an oxymoron but, maybe i'm only person who knows the truth. I could really talk about this for days.....Don't attack people for spitting their opinion on BGLOs because this forum is about men in female organization which isn't really cool but what can you do...sue? man we would be tied up in court for centuries
BLACK GREEK Isn't oxymoronic
We are not Greek because of White people. Common miscocnception. We are greek because of Masonry and the OES (Order of the Easter Star). They started what have become Greek Orgs. Furthermore, Greece, was once inhabited but quite a few "blacks," and itself was quite multicultural, but choose to portray white imagery, because it was easier. Also colored materials were harder to find and sculpt. In fact, it is widely thought that Athena herself was Black. Or at least of Eqyptian descent. So Black Greek is just not oxymoronic, unless you haven't done enough reading, and have simply come to conclusions based off what you think you know. Read a little bit more.
Just a Minor Correction
I have been reading some of the things that have been said on this site, and many people have many valid points. In response to "I Really Wish People Would" by Anonymous, I would just like to share that in the interest of us "doing more research" we want to make sure that our claims are also accurate. The one correction is that Maya Angelou is an AKA not a Delta. Delta Sigma Theta also has many noteworthy members though, in support of your point. I agree with the rest of your argument.
Just a Request
I was reading your passage about MIAKA and I noticed that you listed Maya Angelou as a Delta. This is incorrect. She is a member of AKA. However, we do have great women like Maya Angelou such as: Aretha Franklin, Nikki Giovanni, Cisely Tyson, Johnetta Cole, etc.
FYI there are gay
FYI there are gay underground organizations 4 Zeta Phi Beta, Delta Sigma Theta, and Sigma Gamma Rho. They just are not in the lime light right now.
What in the world?
I am not opposed to a gay or lesbian organization. I don't think it serves a beneficial purpose to purposely imitate, or even mock any sorority, white or black because you were not allowed based on your gender. A sorority would not be a sorority if it allowed men. It would then be called a co-ed organization. It is unfortunate that these individuals would occupy their time by trying to join, let alone, try to force a hand that wasn't meant for them from the very beginning. As a black women, I think these organizations have served a greater purpose, despite the negative stigma attached to them. Every organization, whether it be Black Greek, or even on campus Christian, has their flaws. People can't and won't do better, unless they know what better is. Criticism is only helpful, if and only if, the criticizer is wIlling to provide solutions to correct the problem. By the way, you mentioned DST would not allow this. DST currently has a male member in their organization. Supreme Court allowed the male member in because there wasnt anything in their bylaws stating a male could not be a member.
My advice to these individuals is as follows:
1. Get a life.
2. Create YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION that will
be more conducive to you and your needs. This is one main reason why Black Greek organizations were created. We as African Americans were not allowed to become members of the White organizations.
3. Your behavior is disrespectful to all those Black women who worked their tails off to create these organizations. I would even go as far to guess that many of you in this photo have aunts, cousins, mothers, sisters, and grandmothers who are members of these organizations.
SHOW THESE WOMEN SOME RESPECT BECAUSE THEY HAVE EARNED IT.
Underground Soro's
This is just not a aka thing there are gay men who are delta's, aka's, zeta's, and sgrho. most of the time the guys that are doin it are apart of a devine nine already but there stories that the miaka's came from grambling and the ladies of aka took boys and put them in the process. also they are many gay frats and soro's delta phi upslion, kappa psi kappa, gamma mu phi, and list goes on so they have ways to go if they want to be apart of a brotherhood
It's true,,,
This issue is alive and well and apparently (from what I've been told) around for decades. I'm sorry to correct you Xenophon, but these gay males aren't just mimicing the AKA's, they are also doing the same to the Delta's. While I do agree that Fraternities are not openly accepting to gay males, it is still NO excuse to disrespect what these ladies have all worked to established. It is far more commendable to start your own org. than to trivialize what others have established.
You all are funny to me!
Whether you agree with Black GLOs or not, you cannot argue with trademark and copyright infringement. In addition, these people are being mocked moreso because they are gay men than for any other valid reason. As a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., I am appalled for other reasons. The fact that a MAN of any sexuality wants to be "in" or "aid" (This is a lie because auxillary organizations should not call, throw up symbols, wear the letters, etc. if they are truly AIDING the sorority.) a sorority is beyond me.
Someone said that they picked AKAs and not another organization. Try that again. There are gay "deltas," "zetas," etc. In fact, if you are ever in New Orleans, visit the gay club Fusions and you'll find them all. The local chapter of MIAKAS and whatever the others call themselves frequent this spot. My homosexual friends find it quite funny that they've made their club into a Greek party on certain nights. It's the MIAKAs that get press time and media covarage - NOT that they are the only ones that exist. Now ask yourself why THAT is . . .Hmmmm . . .
Then to build upon this idea, if you don't agree with the Panhell thing which means the good and the bad, like associatives of hazing and "spanking each others' butts" then why would you or anyone else who doesn't agree with it use this as a basis for your argument.
Hmmm . . .
Lastly, you implying that AKAs are passive women who will sit back and let anything ride. . . in the words of my linesister, "DON'T LET THE PRETTY FOOL YOU!!"
Funny that you buy into the stereotypes . . . Common, in fact!
ah. now i understand, xeno
and yes, you are a foily mofo. kiss.
MIAKA
Missing in action and a bunch of kaka.
Quit clowin', fools.
How about Gay k Gay?
Oh, I know,
Skee-zers' Anonoymous?
Thanks for a great laugh.
if i didnt know in any
if i didnt know in any better i say they were KAPPA ALPHA PSI BROTHERS.........LOL
In my own opinion i feel
In my own opinion i feel that these groups are downright disrespectful. The women in AKA worked hard to earn their letters and for a group of men that can't get it together on whether they are men or women to come along and claim some of their traditions is an outrage. I don't even think they realize how hard all of AKAs founders worked to establish these organizations that they are mimicing.
And for "chicago dyke", clearly you were scorned by an organization to even feel that way. BGLOs are not even in the least an imitation of the white plantation system...maybe where you are from, but here in NC, no not even in NC, Ive been many places where there are darkskinned AKAs, light skinned Deltas, skinny zetas...etc there arent any supported sterotypes from what ive seen
BTW, Im not greek.
Well first off I feel that
Well first off I feel that people are just mad cause its gay men who formed this group stop hatin cause its something that you couldn't step up to the plate and do yourself. No one has a problem with sweethearts (Iota Sweethearts, Que Essence, Kappa Diamonds, A Hearts and etc) I think that everyone needs help when they are on line and there is nothing wrong with having a sweetheart to the AKA'S nor the DELTA'S. So like I said its only cause they are gay and there should be no problem with that cause if they are doing it for a good cause then so be it. Good luck to all the MIAKA'S and DELTA GENTS or (MIDST).
"scorned?" ha ha. getitright: welcome to my blog
um, you're so far off base, i'll just laugh at you. please comment and read more here, and you'll begin to understand who i am. or what it is that i know, and you don't, of the "greek" system. start with that word, and you'll begin to understand my critique.
if you dare.
The plantation thing
Black Greek Letter Organizations are sooo plantation. What sense does it make for a black person to model themselves after a Greek mystery cult if they understood that they were making a copy of a copy? Perhaps if they referred to themselves as a Bund or society then, maybe they wouldn’t give the impression that they were acting in response to a need to affirm their civility by organizing their protest in terms of the very system that oppressed them. You have trouble with a white hegemonic system so you use a white hegemonic system to organize a counter hegemonic movement . . . ??? No, in this sense you can’t use the master’s tools to dismantle the house.
CD - smooches.
This is very ludacris. May
This is very ludacris. May i add. This whole Miaka thing is the most disrespectful thing i've ever seen. How can you "LB's" love AKA so much and then disrespect what AKA is. A sorority. Not only that MIAKA has totally tried to steal traditional AKA values. Last time I checked people dont still from people they love. As for the comment posted by Xenophon...Really getting technical, the greek letters used are originally Egyptian symbols..so black sororities are just taking back what belonged to them in the firsr place. Egypt is in Africa for those who dont know or choose not to believe it.
Being that you can’t be
Being that you can't be an aka why not have ya own color and style don't try to be them be better than them but me myself is not a supporter of miaka why not be kappa cause they are fruitie just like ya'll
SIT DOWN SISSIES
SIT DOWN SISSIES
all i can say is wow.
all i can say is wow.
sissies like standing, thank you very much
wow. these comments make me think we need to do more greek-themed posts, xeno. it brings the...interesting people out of the woodwork.
It's not the greek
It's the mix. What we need to do is more black life posts.
Down Right Ridiculous...
OK my issues is that if they want to feel apart of something or be accepted, get your own organization started.. Go through what the founders had to go through in the beginning to make their organizations what they are today... How can u walk around on campus and not feel like you are not disrespecting... My alma matter would have not tolerated that in any matter!!!!
homosexuality
WITH THE NAME OF THE ONE CREATOR ALMIGHTY
May truth,right mindedness,faith,trust,and peace be the blessings upon the Believers who are not confused about the nature given male and female human life by the ONE CREATOR ALMIGHTY.
Homosexuality is wrong and totally unacceptable to those who are firm in faith,and who trust the Guidance of Scripture as the way to live a successful life, both here and hereafter. The Almighty has guided that homosexuality is an evil sin to be condemned and not practiced. G-D said
it,Believers believe it, that settles it.
why
what does a sexual orientation have to do with a group are what i believe, a spiriutal belief has nothing to do with my greek choice,but therei also a place for a judger to thank you
your point of view
Everybody is allowed their own point ofd view, you can interpet the bible that was and others will interpit it another. if you can not deal with HOMOSEXUALS then you need to leave the country. we are a force to be reconed with and we do not plain on leaving, we WILL be accepted by every walk of life, and will not stand for decrimamation. this is not the old slave days and we are standing up for our right to kiss in public and be married because noone can controle who they love.
Sorry, which G-D was that?
There are so many, you see. It all becomes very confusing.
No authoritarians were tortured in the writing of this post.
this is how republicans have beaten the civil rights movement
amazing. the homophobia on this thread is telling.
i'll be doing a post on this soon. Folk- this is exactly what the republicans want from you, those who hate you the most. while you're all busy hating me, they are busy locking up our men and destroying our communities. trust me when i say it's not gay men who are responsible for the problems of black america today.
As a brother of Alpha Phi
As a brother of Alpha Phi Alpha, I just don't see how this could of happened. We were built on tradition, how could you let 8 men come into a women sorority. I believe its a disgrace, and should not be allow to happen. It is not discrimination, it just right, the Alpah organization does not discriminate on race, creed, color or religion. But people are saying that its right, well how would they feel if some women pledged Omega. Now that they have allowed men to pledge AKA, butch women from all over are now gonna want to pledge Omega and maybe even they cute studs are gonna want to be Kappas, so then how will it be justifed?
My APhiA brother, could you
My APhiA brother, could you possibly be active to even believe that AKA has pledged men? Any reputable Greek member knows that our bylaws prohibit such. I'm disappointed in you.
GAY GUYS in a SORORITY
Some ppl need a little clarification, and i know about MiAKA so I figured I would explain. The guys are not in AKA-- they see themselves as an extention of the sorority, an underground strand. there are other strands, for example there would be a "grown woman strand" of a sorority for women 30+. They study everything about AKA and make it their own.
There are underground AKAS, Deltas, Rhos, and tons of other organizations that gays and lesbians have formed, even an Omega form for lesbians (Omicron Psi Omega and their sister organization @ BetaPhiOmega.net). Yes they are incorporated. I believe it's a beautiful thing and it promotes community service and cohesiveness even here in lil old Tallahassee.
Its new to me as well, but now I love it, especially when they stroll at parties!
I am shocked, shocked
Apparently a sorority favored attractive, popular girls. Who knew?
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butch women are Teh Hawt!
and they're usually able to rock your world in the sack.
butch women are always welcome at Mu Kappa Beta, which is greek for "Mighty Corrente Building."
bring on the butch women!
There are more important issues
MKB?! CD you a funny mother fucker.
Yo Sphinxman, chill. I don't think they are official. I don't think the AKA's have officially inducted these gentlemen into their organization. Perhaps if there was an open dialogue among the “brothers” without the “Oh my god you’re a fag” attitude they wouldn’t have to go under ground and form a shadow organization. Why not let them out of the closet? Do we as Black folk really have the time and energy to spend our time witch hunting homosexuals? Obviously, they didn’t feel that the homosexuals in Alpha were their cup of tea. There are larger issues we need to be concerned about. While it may be disturbing on the gender bending, V for Vendetta level of things it really is a commentary on the obsolescence and growing irrelevance of black fraternities and sororities.
Why don’t we talk about the fact that “scholarship funds” and “tutoring” just aren’t cutting it. Why don’t we talk about the fact that the Black Greek organizations have grown weak and ineffective. Why don’t we talk about why Bruce Gordon had to leave the NAACP? Can we please put our efforts into a productive discussion about something other than who you might be fucking. Do you really want us probing into the inner sanctum of Alpha? Do we really want to solve the Sphinx’s riddle? Do we want to discuss what they say about Alpha “men?” Or can we move on to more important issues? Like why the hell did we let Oprah get away with building a school in South Africa while bad mouthing African American students? Why didn’t we challenge her to advocate for better schools, better, teachers, parent accountability, and equality of resources? Why aren’t we watching as Black folk are blamed for the damage done by hip hop? Why aren’t we questioning BMI, Time Warner, Universal Vivendi, and the rest of the media for promoting an image that is destructive to black folk? Why aren’t we discussing the environmental racism that takes place every day in urban areas where pollution and environmental toxins are creating record numbers of asthmatics among Black and Latino and Poor white Children? While all of you were crossing the burning sands did you ever stop to think about what we are going to do about the genocide in Darfur, the conquest of Somalia and the Rape of Africa – again? What the hell ever happened to being conscious? Surely there is something better we could expend our energies on. Grow up.
interesting post
Hey your post got me thinking about which direction I want my chapter to go before leaving college. Would like to talk more. email me.
Onward Christian soldiers? Or The New Clan
"the Guidance of Scripture as the way to live a successful life, both here and hereafter. The Almighty has guided that homosexuality is an evil sin to be condemned and not practiced. G-D said
it,Believers believe it, that settles it."
Like Lambert said, which God are you talking about? Which scripture? Whose scripture? For that matter which Bible?
You couldn’t mean that same book of fiction that said that Ham was cursed by Noah. That same story white people used as justification to enslave black people? The same book that makes eating a pork chop punishable by death? Don’t touch that crab! When was the last time you stoned someone? If you see a pretty woman and are married are you going to pluck out your eye? Come on man, are you really going to base your life on a 5,000 year old pulp fiction? For real? What the fuck is up with this G-D shit? It’s not even four letters? God is not the name of God. That is why we write G.O.D. Damn I hate stupid ass believers!! Get the rules of the faith right and then be faithful, turn off the TV ministry, get out of the shopping mall you call a church, put away your stake and bonfire, forgive whoever molested you as a child, realize the world is uncertain and you have no control, understand that a Bible is not an air bag, and get a life.
First and foremost GOD is
First and foremost GOD is GOD, because he is self exisitng and need nothing from no one....not even you....surely not me.
Secondly you should pick up the bible before you speak "your" truth and read that Jesus speaks to the issue of pork by teaching us that it is not what goes into the mouth of a man that makes him unholy but what comes from the heart that defiles him.
Youre correct about us not having any control....because we dont....and the world is uncertain....to man that is....because God knows all things. If we knew all things that would make us Gods and since we are all sinners by nature alone, its impossible for us to be God...therefore the mystery in which we live in defends the truth that we are certainly not in control.....but I am victrious in life knowing that I have a relationship with the one who is in control....therefore I live life to the fullest.
Furthermore GOD is LOVE and LOVE is every TRUE Believer's religion! SO I love you and wish that knowledge and wisdom bless you. And yes LOVE is my airbag and that is way I am able to love you when youre gay and when your straight! Just as God came into the world NOT to condemn it but to show it the way to live...so as I do....
wow
just glad it was not my sorority, but it is disrespectful
What's a "probate show"?
Inquiring minds want to know.
No authoritarians were tortured in the writing of this post.
It's When
you introduce the new pledges that have just been made.
Like "on probation"?
When I hear "probate," I think of wills and estates, so it seemed very weird.
No authoritarians were tortured in the writing of this post.
What in the world?
First of all Maya Angelou is an Alpha Kappa Alpha woman. Don't get it twisted. No one allowed these men (and I use that term loosly) to pledge AKA. They are not real. They are dilusional. I'm not hating on gay people. I have gay friends. None of them would ever think of invading on what others have worked so hard to establish. For those that think black greek letter organizations are plantation don't realize how much members of these organizations had to do with the freedoms black people enjoy today. Where would we have been without the Alpha, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. or his wife who was an AKA? Where would we be with out Rosa Parks and AKA or Thurgood Marshall an Alpha? Don't criticize what you don't understand. All black greek letter organizations have gay members. That is a fact. Don't sleep Deltas!! I have already heard of men trying to come into your organization as well. But I guess its hard for you to notice.
why the hate?
I was agreeing with comments of previous persons whose intents were to provide information regarding the outstanding service that BGLO's provide to society and its members. But then, a person that I am supposing is an AKA made some disparaging remarks regarding Deltas... whoa! I thought we were all on the same side here! You said something to the extent that we wouldn't recognize the difference between a man and a woman if a man tried to infiltrate our organization. What is that about? That is the kind of envy-spewed anger that leads to separation. Try a unified approach-- this may not have happened to you in the first place!
You have apprentice, then journeyman, then
master...perhaps "pro" is the next step after that?
For "bating" I mean.
You don't see "journeymanbating" very often but it's probably become obsolete with the decline of craft tradition. Who knows what old words these secret societies hang on to though. I consider the Greek system a lot of exclusionist tommyrot myself, right up there with the Masons and their secret handshakes 'n' shit. Although the Odd Fellows at least have the advantage of a cool name.
(Why yes, I have been drinking. Why do you ask?)
news flash to all our greek friends:
it is not being in the organization that makes a person great, it is that the person is great and part of an organization, which may later share in some of that greatness.
there are many, many great heroes, african american and otherwise, who did not join an exclusive organization. indeed, even those who did join were often exceptional people before they pledged.
to make the false analysis that the organization is responsible for the greatness of a person is to prove my point. "mystique" is an intangible, but action moves the world. and the world could do with more action, and less concern over the sanctity of mystique. so i ask you: while you're sitting here defending the holiness of your organizations, how many new voters has that organization registered today? how many people has it lifted out of poverty? how many drug war victims has it freed? how many aids victims has it succored?
i have long given the black greek system credit for being more active in charities than their white counterparts. but i see that i may have to reevaluate that belief. if i didn't know better, i'd think that Folks were more concerned with maintaining ideological fictions that separate us from each other, than acting in unity for change.
Try this!
I'm outraged about the revealing of the MIAKA's. Why not form an organization based on your own opinions and ideas, that express what you stand for. Stealing another organization ideas, and making them your own, doesn't make a statement about who you are. ALPHA KAPPA ALPA SORORITY, INC, is a prestigous organization, founded for reasons other than, fame and glamour, and that is what I feel you are seeking by imitating this sorority. So try again, change everything about your organization, and invent your own. Your not men interested in AKA, your men with a lost purpose and idenity, trying to seek your own by imitiating another. Get it together! You can't create something that has already been created, nor can you make it better, only the real WOMEN of ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SORORITY, can accomplish that.
Thank You and God Bless.
MOVE ON
I read other blogs where a Miaka actually spoke out, the information I got from it was that the Miaka (Men Interested in AKA) were "sweethearts" to AKA as the SigmaGammaRomeos, or DeltaJents were. It so happened that some of these men are homosexuals. MIAKA's were not just founded yesterday, they have been around for over ten years. Its unfortunate for some of you that the word got out to the public.
So what is the major problem? I thought that the greek lettered organization was focused on uplifting the community; so what is the obsession with the colors and the material aspects of the org. Miaka's were not trying to emulate anything. I am a member of an organization (non-greek at that) because I know my history and I know about the stolen legacy, however I am not discrediting Greek-lettered orgs.
I say let your National office handle this issue. It is true that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but talking about it is only going to publicize the matter even more.
I will not be back on to this site to read comments about my opinion but feel to respond as you are speaking of an issue that is out of your hands. MOVE FORWARD.
Wow-Sad
I look at this entire blog/thread and see an example of what the world is coming to. Pretty soon man/woman couples will be the minority and children will be brought into the world by invitro. Men with men, women with women...and now a gay male sorofrat...wow! Sad!
Anti-christ come on down...it's about your time to show up because we are headed straight to hades in a basket with holes in it wearing gasoline undies. The world might as well just blow up right now because life is getting really stupid!
New information
I was just reading on another blog:
http://www.stophazing.org/cgi-bin/ultima...
And according to one gentleman on there (straight guy)who pledged MIAKA in the late 80s from Morgan State, the information given here and now is way off base. So it looks like these new folks have gone left on two different organizations.
Interesting.....
DISSAPPOINTED
as someone who looks up to greeks and is hoping to join the ranks one day... this is disappointing. i read all these blogs and i can not believe that you guys are dissing each other instead of focusing on the issue. these gentlemen are not wrong for LOOKING UP to AKA's. that sorority has many beautiful role models that we all should be proud of (outside of what organization they are members of). they are wrong because this organization along with the rest of the devine 9 has rules and regulations that should be respected. if the rules did not work then they wouldnt be such great organizations and this wouldnt be a blog. these men should have started their own instead of invading. how would they like it if there were a gay greek organization that was tooken very seriously and straight men dressed in drag and mocked them (wearing their color, making their calls, throwing up their signs) its a slap because being greek means so much more then that. are these young men upholding the principles of aka or are they just being "surface scratchers"?
o yeah, that whole thing about plantations. stop trying to be slaves. thid has nothing to with it. greek organizations are a great form of networking. if they are colts then every organization that allows you to bond and networ are colts. do you not get privlages for being in sga or a dance team or sports team. what about when you tryout? everyonr cant mae the football team, only the best. same rules apply to greeks. stop hatin because like it was said earlier members of these organizations have paved the way in all aspects of life....
"only the best"
that's a good one, anon. here's a hint: work on your spelling before you rush, because you're clearly not "the best" at it. of course, good spelling may not be a quality greeks are looking for, so i could be wrong...
This cannot be tooken very seriously
With all due respect to somebody who ignores all rules of capitalization, punctuation and grammar, not to mention the extremely minor request to pick a username rather than post anonymously, this individual had better not be closer to college age than, oh, sixth grade or so:
...a gay greek organization that was tooken very seriously ....
(shudders and hangs head in depression at Da State Of R Utes Today.)
Maybe it's just that I went to night school...
... but I'm simply amazed that the topic of fraternities and sororities has become one of the most galvanizing topics I've ever seen here.
What gives?
www.vastleft.com
the problem is one of class, conflated by racism
racism remains in our society, and continues to deny opportunity and advancement for minorities. racism is the reason for the creation of organizations like the black greek system, in recognition of the fact that certain opportunities are given only to members, "membership has its privileges."
and so the black middle class was born, and has risen to occupy a comfortable place in society, which while still racist, offers slightly better treatment to minorities who can ape and fit in with the social conventions of the white majority middle class. but as is common to many movements, those of us who have gotten ahead have left many behind, and lost our focus on the original message.
and so too many black folks today think that a homophobic church is more important than the message of christ, or that a black greek organization is a sacred institution that can never be mocked or criticised. too many of us believe that the "fight" should be for places in mcmansion suburbs, or middle managment positions in corporations. never mind that far too many of us languish more deeply in oppressive, police-state ghettos than ever before, or that the forces which still oppress us all benefit when homophobia is used to split our vote.
as i said earlier, like organizations like the NAACP, middle class black institutions have fallen far away from the glory days of the civil rights movement. "image" awards and checks from corporations are what too many of us concern ourselves with. hence, the strong and rather unminded critique of a post that began in all innocuousness. this is a sore spot that many black americans would rather not be pressed.
What?!
I am truely at a loss for words.
Be prepared
Be prepared for a lawsuit, cocky muthafuckas!
Don't forget
A healthy dose of repressed homosexuality.
Will you all please stop with "They do so much good." They provide enough money to pay for books and give selfish, self absorbed undergrads and lonely adolescent post grads a sense of belonging. The NAACP was/is the support wing for liberal white interest. They throw a hell of a party. But please name a significant campaign that they are responsible for aside from scholarships. Are there any NAACP, AKA, AphiA, Q psi phi, etc. endowed chairs? Any research institutes? Any global reach organizations?
Understanding and also not shocked !!!!!!!
I have read all comments and came to a conclusion that the black community will never come togetheir. I dont blame the Ground level AKA's being fearious, shameful, and on the breaking edge of letting loose. This type of issue cannot be ignored. The black gay community have been doing this type of events for ever. We can't down grade these males cause of their character, however for their actions. These males did not just wake up one mourning and became upon the aka history on their own. It all goes back to the horse mouth, the right hand man an Alpha Kappa Alpah sorority sister herself. Over reading the bylaws and ritiual guidlines of a divine 9 greek letter organization, it states to keep the bond of your knoweledge to yourself and your members. We all break rules, Most greeks been kicked of their yards for not following their chapter bylaws and institution guidlines. Okay Black community this is a instant fuck up, lol, we can get pass this. These guys in the picture I am sure have been humiliated enough. Why can't we come togetheir and be watchful for our actions and not let something like this happen again.
A damn disgrace
This really bothers me that these punks are doing this to my sorority. Why you he-she could not have gone and established your own. Why use AKA. Not saying use another sorority but started your own. I hope you all don't show up at ANY of our fuctions because it want be nice. Whats done is done and there is no way to change it. WHY?????????
Male AKA's
Dumbasses! Imitation is the highest form of flattery. The fact is that these guys are actually authenic and creative; and besides they performed only an artform --drag , which subverts our notions of gender and roles binary construct--male/female.Besides all of the fraternities and sororities have gays that satirizes and parodies themselves and others. Actually fraternities and sororities, despite their noble mottoes and charters, fail to invest most members with any endearing qualities but instead divest them of much humanity by their snobbery and elitism. PBS
LOL
yall betta WORK, yes MAMA!
Don't be mad
'Twan.
"drag , which subverts our notions of gender and roles binary construct—male/female."
That's right, let's gender bend our way to a reach around understanding.
Can't we all just get along.
What I want to see are the lesbian Ques.
Not Flattering
I understand these young men in their desire to be AKAs, why not strive for the best, but there is no reason for them to be pseudo-AKAs. This is not a gay vs. straight issue. This is an issue about disrespect.
There ARE fraternities out there specifically geared towards gay men. Why didn't they just charter a chapter at their school? Ok, maybe they wanted to belong to a predominately black greek organization for gay men, then they should found their own. They should try to be trailblazers (visionaries) and make an organization that is founded on the principles and the teachings that they want. Instead they have totally disrespected an organization that means alot to thousands of African American women across the world, and at the same time made themselves seem like stereotypical faggots and foolish.
Oh and I just have to say to those who say that BGLO discriminate against homosexuals I know at least one gay/lesbian person in each of the Divine Nine (who were initiated at HBCUs). I myself am one of them, so don't go passing judgements on organizations when you don't know anything about them!
*side note* if they wanted to be AKAs because of the whole "ultra femme", "I'm too cute" mystique and were too lazy to start their own organization, they could have tried Kappa Alpha Psi (nupes don't get mad), not to perpetuate a stereotype but they are about as close to AKAs, that a man can be (at least at certain chapters).
Not Flattering (edit)
To adjust my last statement about the Kappas. I meant that if these men wanted to be AKAs based on the stereotype of what an AKA is and how the outside world perceives AKAs and Nupes. No I don't believe all Kappas see themselves as pretty boys, nor are all (or even most) of them femme, but I was just meant that if they were trying to go for the stereotypes instead of the actual missions and contents of the organizations, then Kappas have the closest stereotype to the AKAs for men.
Very Interesting
As a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority Inc. I believe this is very flattering that men considered mocking our organization....But this is just not right... I not disagreeing with such concept by far because it is their but it is very interesting. There is nothing that we can do but talk about. FYI none of these men are members of Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority and will never be
there are requirment to
there are requirment to join any frat and any soroity sexual orientation is not one of them, but gender is so I don't see how this could happen
AS A MAN OF PHI KAPPA PSI
AS A MAN OF PHI KAPPA PSI THIS IS VERY MUCH SO DIRESPECT IF IT WAS MY SORORITIE IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE ITS NOT AS REALLY MUCH GAYS LVS STRIGHT ITS ABOUT RESECPT
This MIAKA mess
ALL I GOT TO SAY IS YALL Miaka are a mess,, you have been twisted and warped by satan and allowed a spirit to come in and allow you to thinkg that BEING GAY IS OK!!!! I just hope that you guys soon are delivered from that TRASH !!!! GOD CREATED ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE..... YOU WERE NOT BORN THIS WAY AND THIS WAS NOT WHAT GOD HAD IN STORE FOR YOU NEITHER IS IT YOUR CALLING!!!! WHAT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO BE SUCCESSFUL BLACK MEN AND IM SURE THAT MORE THAN HAVE OF YOU WERE RAISED IN THE CHURCH..... BOY DONT YOU GUYS MAKE YOUR MOTHERS PROUD
Want to join
how do I join the AKA for man
Want to Join
Ya'll are doing ya'll thing......Bump what everyone else has to say about the situation....Hell you have alot of gay males who would like the information on how to join something like this.....How do I apply?
I am a member of a black
I am a member of a black greek letter organization and I am somewhat disturbed about what I read here. So I want to make some things clear:
First of all I want to make it clear that black greeks that joined as undergraduates are student first. If you don't have the grades,then you cannot participate. I am an Senior Pre-Pharmacy student and I have to maintain my gpa to not only keep my full four year scholarship, but also to be active in my chapter. I study hard and I work hard for my organization, which does a lot of community service (ex: Reading and Tutoring children of all ages, helping to support a black family in our communtiy, being a mentor for young girls, initiating programs to usher more black males into college, and the list goes on). I do all of these things, sometime planning programs at the same time, as well as maintaining my grades, working a intership, working a job, and holding other leadership positions on my campus. I can speak the same of my sisters (in my chapter).
Secondly: We do not want people to assume that we are all alike (black people), so therefore you shouldn't assume that all black greeks are alike. I can't speak for every organization, but I know that the one that I belong to is constantly focusing on how we can do our part in uplifting our people and seeing them succeed. We do service, not expecting any recognition or media attention. The only time people seem to pay any attention to Greeks,black or white, is when someone is in the spotlight for hazing. Itis no one persons fault, but the people who commited acts of hazing considering that they did it against the organizations rules.
Thirdly: To be mad at a whole organization for your bad experience with not even a fourth of the organization is juvenile. Thats like someone being upset at every single gay person because they had one bad experience with one. Not all gay people are the same...duh. Which leads me to my fourth point...
My beautiful twin sister is gay as well as my brother and I love them both dearly. However, sororities are for women (which may I add that my sister is a black greek) and fraternities are for men. That is that. As far as excluding people for the color of thier skin, weight, etc. It happens, I can't say it doesn't, but it is not the overall opinion of the whole sorority. If you ever go to different campuses you may see different kinds of Delta's, AKA's, Zeta's, and SGRho's. For my chapter, I am the only fair skin sister, the rest of my sisters are beautiful, inside and out, and are differnt shades of brown to black.
Lastly...there are many wrongs in this world, so if you are critizing someone for what you think they are not doing, then ask yourself what you are doing to alleviat the problem. I don't mean monitarily, I mean going out their and giving your time and energy to someone that really needs it. Be the change that you want to see.
ho ho ho, anon
To call your self a BLACK GREEK is an oxymoron but, maybe i’m only person who knows the truth.
hahahahah, ho hoho. please, stop. i never thought my mid level grad school classes could seem so funny-making...oh, gasp, lol...
HELL NO MEN CAN'T BE AKA'S!
What in the hell is this argument about there will never be male AKA's never!!! For you liberalists out there chill the fuck out you can't have every damn thing especially my SORORity!!! Some of you that are commenting about this "plantation" foolishness have no clue to your own heritage or maybe you were denied or dropped from a black greek letter organization. Put yourself in OUR shoes or maybe you can't because you have no idea on who you really are!!!
AKA for life pledged Savannah State University a HBCU!
"LOVE is my airbag"???
Oh my. I was about to hit the override button and mark this as spam, because we just don't need random ramblings of religious nutsos cluttering our comment threads. But this is too funny to kill.
And of course it's always funny to be lectured, hectored and condescended to by people who claim to be in intimate touch with the Infinite Creator of the Universe who not only don't have balls enough to use a name, but cannot spell their presumably native language either.
Thanks Anon, a good laugh is a rare and refreshing thing in these dark days. :)
Did you say...Random Ramblings or religious nutsos?
It's ok for gays to put on public display of their beliefs in every arena of life but when the Christain Community wants to display THE truth according to the Word of GOD, we are targeted as haters. But most of what I've read so far is the true haters come out against the followers of GOD for expressing our beliefs.
As the person said before me GOD is GOD and GOD is love. HE loves gays as he loves heterosexuals. It's the sin of homosexuality that is an abomination to GOD and HIS believers. If GOD did not love you, HE would not have given you HIS Word as Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
I don't beleive this is about being gay or straight but this and life should be about living our lives in the order in which GOD inteneded it to be. "I was born this way." perhaps you were born "that way" but you were not created "that way". God created us all in HIS likeness and HIS image. These gentlemen should really begin to crucify their flesh and get on their knees (for prayer that is) and ask GOD to show them the direction that HE would have them to go.
Be Blessed
Mrs. Pinks
Believe God is Love or He'll Smite You
Of course.
Cthulhu loves you, too. With a little barbeque sauce.
No Hell below us
Above us, only sky
OK
The God shit is really a little freaky. I mean damn, it's straight out of Sinners in the hands of an angry god or whatever.
jesus speaks to the issue of pork? ???
um, does he say it should be crispy? or that less of it should go to republican districts?
and i really like "liberalists." i think i'm going to use that one from now on. thanks, U. and i know this may be hard for U to understand, but some of us really don't give a shit about a society of college students and their "sacred" rituals. there is power, and there is distraction, and eventually you'll see that the lines of power care little for tradition. but i'm glad it means so much to you and i wish you well with it.
Real Talk
Its a shame that even with all the social issue, economic downfalls and injustices we has people of color suffer, this is what nominal educated brothers decide to portray. Homosexual or not, we as people have bigger issues than exacerbating meager issues such as this. Lets look at intent, what did this accomplish?
Let us move forward and focus on worthy issues like, eradicating financial illiteracy and promoting education in our community. Leave traducers to live their meager existence. So how are you tackling such endeavors???
They need thay damn ass
They need thay damn ass whooped!
Are you fucking kidding me?!
"The one correction is that Maya Angelou is an AKA not a Delta"
With all the things that have been said you want to harp on which organization Maya Angelou belongs to?!!
This is what a memeber of AKA Inc. has to contribute to the conversation.
Some Of You Still Take Pride In Your Slave Mentality!!!!!!!
WOW.
Although the MIAKA's are quite shooking and maybe a little disrepectful to the legacy, I have to say that I am even more apalled with the reactions displayed in many of the comments.
"black folks need to stop imitating the old white plantation system. that’s basically what frats and sororities are all about. light skinned, thin, pretty, fecund, “proper” young women aligned with the “leadership” class of black men, who just happen to be already more likely to come from a black middle class that has more or less walked away from the black working class these days."
Do black people STILL think that improving yourself academically, socially, and financially is "acting white" hahahahahahahaha
This is by far one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard! Black Greek organizations were formed to empower the leaders of tomorrow on college campuses across the US and around the world, to create networks and connections. Women like Coretta Scott King(AKA) and men like Martin Luther King, Jr(Alpha) were apart of this legacy. They don't only put together great social events but a lot of their time is dedicated to volunteer work.You don't have to look the part, you have to be the part and make the grades!!!!!!!
OMG...how disrespectful of the people who made comments like that! You can't even respect highly educated black students that are not only dedicated students but helpful individuals.
You people should be proud of Black Greeks for setting the bar so high for black people and proving that we can be great too.
How ridiculous of you all to think otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Signed,
An Educated and Proud Black Women
i make the same critique of all greek organizations, ms truth
as well as all purely social organizations that posit membership makes a person "better" than others. rushing, pledging, dancing, doing some charity work, having parties, networking- these are social acts, some important and some not, but they have little to do with the integrity or intellect or compassion in a person.
exclusivity bothers me, as i believe it should bother all people, and especially people of color. once, we were excluded by law from many things, and this kept us from receiving our constitutionally protected rights. today, there is a growing black underclass, left behind by government, forgotten by our black leadership, and oppressed like never before. it's easy, when you're a middle class person, to forget that many still live in conditions that are as bad as in the jim crow days.
for those of you who stop by in support of greek organization, i invite you to post on how those organizations have significantly alleviated the poverty and oppression of members of the black underclass. screaming and shouting about 'respect' is not very impressive, intellectually or argumentively.
Response To Chicago Dyke...
The correlation between Black Greeks and uplifting an entire race isn't a very logical nor a substantial argument. I am from Detroit,MI, one of the countries most violent urban citites. The mentality that pleagues many african americans can not be changed through a few college organizations nor can it be changed over night. It is a process that has to start at the root of the issue. The funny thing is that when people aren't doing anything they're complaining about it but when people do something or as much as they can you're never satisfied. When will black people stop complaining and start changing.
I know what it's like to not have anything,no house, no food, no car, and no strong support system to keep me above water. But that didn't stop me from getting an education and networking with respectable organizations that would allow me to meet people who can help change not only the black mentality but the country.Soooo many successful african american greeks have done tremendous work in an effort to change the world.Like Alicia Keys and Jada Pinkett-Smith to name a few.
College students aren't rich enough to change the world anyway. They don't even have a career yet and the majority of their time is spent studying and working. How much do you expect from these young adults? But you can not argue the fact that many black greek memeber have not done something to promote to change!
Just because all you see is dancing and people yelling about "respect" that does not mean that's all they do. The sorors and frats on our campus set up many open-session through out the year about financing, hygiene, relationship, education, poverty, and diseases. I must ask you a single question...What do you do for the black community in comparison to Black Greeks? ...I have to know because black people have a tendency of being hypocrits!!
mrs. truth, thanks for responding
i see several problems with what you are arguing, as well as a lack of response to my points about membership in a selective, exclusive organization.
your first post