More good judgment from Coakley

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This is more like it.

My primary objection to Coakley was her lack of a record on issues. But if she's willing to take bold positions on those issues in a contentious primary, I'm much more comfortable supporting her.

Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

I'm glad Coakley is showing

I'm glad Coakley is showing such good judgment now, but it's hard for me to get over her poor judgment on the Fell Acres Day Care case.

Better sourcing, please

I thought the Portland Examiner was winger, and the link out here from the post is a tell. So, dunno.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

I'll admit ...

that I merely googled for the first article I could come up with that presented the issues in the Fells Acre Day Care case that troubled me--here's a source that you may find less ideologically troublesome. I'm only interested in the facts of the case, not who's airing them.

I used to post on TC, but left because I was unhappy with some of the FPers there, and the tribalism there that you have noted. I've also posted on Cannonfire, Cinie's World, Talkleft, and once upon a time on the Big Orange Satan. All those places I went by the name of "Inky"--which I tried to use here, but was apparently taken.

And here's another link ...

Again, you are free to disagree with whether these charges are as troubling as they seem to me, but I don't think you can merely dismiss them because some "winger" sites are airing them.

You understand my concern...

... with a candidate-centric poster showing up and in two hours posting links to right wing sites.

Not that MA politics is anything like Chicago's, of course. Let alone the 2008 primariez.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

I do.

And, fwiw, I'll confess that this probably was a bad way to introduce myself. I was at work and didn't have much time to comment, and I guess I should have checked my source better. But I've been troubled by Coakley's connection to the Fells Acres Day Care case ever since it was first brought to my attention several months ago. And while I agree that Coakley is saying many pleasing things now, I am still troubled by her candidacy, in much the same way that I was troubled by Obama's candidacy after I found out about Alice Palmer, Tony Rezko, Emil Jones, etc. I sense in Coakley the same kind of ruthless ambition for power, and it makes me distrustful, even when I hear positions that I like.

Maybe Coakley did honestly believe that Gerald Amirault was guilty when she pulled out all the stops to overturn the parole board's decision to release him, but to me that reeks, at the very least, of poor judgment, based on everything I've read about the case. For those unfamiliar with the case, the wikipedia entry is as good a place as any to start.

I apologize for my tendency towards contrarianism. I wouldn't have joined this site if I didn't generally find myself in agreement with you and some other posters here.

Can I ask

What your full handle is? It's cut off after "The commenter f..."

He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond

If you hover....

... over the name, you can see the full name in your brower's status bar.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

I only find that source

mildly less troubling than winger sites. I visited Blue Mass Group just a few times in 2008, but I didn't stick around long because all I saw was a slightly less virulent form of whatever swept across other CDS-infested sites.

I went back to check it out after Coakley declared, and it definitely leans Capuano, enough so I was suprised when the first polls came out putting Coakley so far ahead.

That's mostly besides your point, though. If you're going to point to BMG, there's another discussion which seemed to hit more points of Fells Acres and provides more varied comments.

To be very clear, Coakley didn't prosecute Fells Acres. The case was prosecuted in the 80s, years before Coakley became AG. The case was appealed and the appeals rejected by the Mass SJC. She did make a deal to release one of the defendants early, but opposed the release of the other. As far as I can tell, she opposed his parole publicly but had no decision-making powers whatsoever to actually block his parole. She did reiterate her opinion opposing commutation for Amirault just last month.

I actually don't know much about Fells Acres aside from the sources you cite and a few scattered news media reports (and we all know how reliable those are). It's clear, though, that feelings run very hot about the case and it's very controversial.

Who is Bob Chatelle and why should we treat him as a credible source? (not snarky, I really want to know, he may be quite famous and/or credible, but I have just missed out on why). Your reference, though, is just to a one-pager repeating unreferenced assertions by a person who clearly has much antipathy toward her.

Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men. -- George Bernard Shaw

Thanks

"Controversial" doesn't begin to describe that case. And yes, scattered and pre-Internet news sources and tendentiousness on all sides. Compared to the Willie Horton case, it's got undreamed of possibilities. Fortunately, we've got some subject matter experts in the field that we can trust, I would say.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Okay ...

From what I've been able to find out, Bob Chatelle was a journalist, free speech activist, and MWU officer and early advocate for the Amiraults, but probably the most famous writers on this case were Dorothy Rabinowitz (a conservative and WSJ op ed writer, who won a Pulitzer for her series on the day-care satanic ritual cases) and on the other side of the political spectrum, Alexander Cockburn. I'll drop the entire subject now--it just bothered me when I heard about Coakley's involvement in this case because the whole child care satanic ritual hysteria of the 1980s was such an ugly chapter in our country's legal and cultural history.

I think that Judge Borenstein, who eventually secured the release of Gerald Amirault, put it best.

“The overriding theme was how decent, well-intentioned people [prosecutors and judges] are capable of making huge mistakes. And secondly, how difficult it is to admit the mistakes we made.”

To this day, Borenstein seems baffled why prosecutors could not admit that the evidence presented to establish child abuse in the case was improper. “No one has asked, ‘Either we did blow it, or might we have blown it?’”

Link

I'm willing to accept Judge Borenstein's assessment that Coakley and others were well intentioned, but I would have more respect for Coakley if she had been willing to reexamine the evidence in 1999, when the case fell into her lap and by which time there was a much a better understanding of the proprietorial misconduct that occurred in this case.

Oops ..

proprietorial = prosecutorial. Sloppy spelling and even sloppier spell-checking.

Thanks for the link ...

I especially appreciated reading lightiris's views in that exchange, but I won't bring this subject up again. I don't like that fact that Coakley still to this day insists that the Amiraults were correctly prosecuted, given the coercive nature of the interviews of 3- and 4-year-olds with very porous memories and the lack of physical evidence (aside from some extremely ambiguous physical exam results). But I'm not going to have to vote for her, unless she does in fact run for President in 2016, by which time she will have a much longer record by which I can judge her. And I know that she has staked out many positions that make her quite popular with people whom I respect, so I am ready to let go of this.

Finally, I also now know that the cause to free the Amiraults was taken up by various "limited government" right-wingers, but that of itself doesn't make the case any less troubling, at least to me. But I've had my say and I'm done with it.

And I'm glad you brought it to our attention

I, for one, have been reminded a lot in the past year that even small things in a person's record can be revealing (although I hope I've not become completely paranoid about every little thing since most people - let alone politicians - have somewhat mixed records in life). And I agree the daycare cases are troubling and it's worth noting Coakley's role, even if limited. It may not be decisive, but we shouldn't ignore these things even in people who we may otherwise find many positive qualities. Everyone has weaknesses and learning what polticians' weaknesses are is a very important part of evaluating them, IMO.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

Thanks for saying that ...

I have to admit that I chose a rather boldly shrill way of introducing myself to this place.