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I guess this means

VL and Lambert will now definitely vote for Obama! I mean, if that ad doesn't convince them, I don't know what will.

I... support....

Obama... without... conditions.... or... demands... please... do... not... play... this... again....

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

*Says Lambert in a zombie voice*

Next thing you know, he'll dump the homegrown tomatoes and fresh mozzarella and will go for braaiiiiinss... washed down will kool aid. :-)

eeeewwww...

wwww....Kool-aid!

Great, now I'll think of it every time I eat brains. Thanks a lot.

Ok, let me try something else then

Lambert: how I drank the kool aid, stopped worrying about misogyny and learned to love Obama.

OR

The Stepford Voter!

How's that?

Clever, using boomer filmic references

so any spying O-kidz can't follow our thread.

I'm Gen Xer!

But personally, I'd rather drink that eel stuff than kool-aid!

Eewwww! Stop it, FD!

So this is what you guys are like when I stay up past my bedtime. I'm turning in! Behave, young'un.

That would be "you ladies" in my case

but yeah, we wait for Lambert to turn in and trash the joint. Then he has to clean it up in the morning! :-) (Gardeners, up at the crack of dawn!)

I've always used "guys" as mixed gender

Though guy, singular, is male.

Is my usage unusual?

Nah, I was just teasin'

.

Uggg.

Exactly what I expected.

Good to see ol dude from Boy Meets World is still alive and seemingly not headed for rehab.

Only positive thing I can take from this.

Yowza

I guess they are just embracing the whole Kool-Aid talking point against them.

"Sorry...

... but my diabetes is acting up real bad."

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Kool Aide!

yum, mmmmmmm, try some of this kool aide!

seriously, I couldn't watch it.

So...

... without hope, you get a handy source of food. With hope, you only get a handy source of food if you feed it and clean up its shit for a long time.

Now I get it!

Good To See Them

stick with their issue advocacy.

I cannot see how McCain wins this election. But I also don't think I've ever seen someone fly so high fueled by so little as Obama has and not come crashing to earth one way or another. It looks like it isn't going to happen before the election, but life is a humbling experience for everyone and I worry we're all going to pay when Obama gets brought back down to earth.

Don't count McCain out

Since May of 2007, I've been saying that McCain would be the toughest to beat and was probably the only GOP candidate that could "save" their Party. Obama grossly under performs in the polls given the current environment, without even any serious GOP campaigning against him yet. A look at the three months of the Dem primary is revealing. Despite unlimited money, falatial press coverage, rampant CDS and sexism, extreme WWTSBQ, . . ., Obama lost by over 500,000 votes. The more people saw him, the less they liked him. Or at least, they never liked him more once they got to know him, contrary to what his campaign is saying.

And having talked to many PUMAs, I can say that they are not pleased at all with Obama or the DNC/Democratic Party. Even talking to marginal Hillary supporters, I find a lot of anti-Obama sentiment that only shows itself when someone else mentions the displeasure first. In other words, I think a PUMA offensive or GOP outreach effort could result in a huge Obama loss. Further, equating the support of Obama with membership in the Dem Party has the potential to seriously hurt the Democratic brand.

Money didn't help Obama knock out Hillary, he's in a much, much weaker position than he should be in, and hasn't faced any serious anti-Obama campaigning. I see Obama having a difficult time winning.

exactly--and the entire GOP is

now lined up behind McCain--including Rove and his protegees.

And McCain is winning Independents and Republicans, while Obama doesn't even have us Dems locked up at all.

"undecided vote of 10 to 15 percent"

"...John McCain seems wooden, with a campaign that appears to be in shambles. Yet Obama's lead in the polls over McCain is fragile because he so far has not won the support of a majority of American voters. ...

... Obama's difficulty in reaching the 50 percent mark reflects an overwhelmingly white undecided vote of 10 to 15 percent. ..." -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

this sums it up, i think--

a comment at NYT: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/200...

"Maybe it is because the American people would like to be addressed about their problems and hear a real plan from Obama rather than a campaign slogan of hope and “Change We Can Believe In”. Also maybe the public is a little more jaded about politicians than you in the press. People across this country have real problems and the press is treating Obama like a rock idol rather than what he really is. An untested candidate for President that really has not been vetted very well by the press. ..."

So, "MoveOn is responsible for the content...

... of this advertisement."

There was content?

Well, except for the "Sorry, Mom [italics mine]". That was a nice touch. They just can't help themselves, can they?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Yes, I Caught That Sorry Mom

Because, you know, the election of the first woman president didn't give my 68-year-old mother any hope at all.

These people are assholes. And the sexism (and ageism) is not going away any time soon is it? They take these cheap shots because they enjoy them.

Hey, another reason why UHC needs to include mental health. Perhaps it could help all these boys out with their mother issues.

"Sorry, Mom"... you hopeless old bitch.

Plain nasty, that "Sorry, Mom."

Is the music in the background "Don't Worry, Be Happy"?

Seriously, this is the most shamelessly vacuous propaganda I ever recall seeing.

Incredibly, several "comics" told the NY Times recently they're having trouble thinking up jokes about Obama.

What next? Subliminal ads flashing: Don't fight it, just give in, you'll feel so much better, so much better, so much better...

It's hard to think of jokes that aren't racist

under the "Obama Rules"

(Any criticism of The Precious, however mild or factually supported, is racist)

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“But hysteria is all the rage these days, I guess” - gqm

nah--it's easy--the branding alone

is totally mockworthy--and all the media crushing is automatically mockworthy too.

Wow, bet anyone

the GOP brings up the drug issue now. After all, that was what that ad was famous for--and the confession stuff too...yeah "sorry mom" mother issues anyone, I agree with you all...
but I especially agree with G (Dr. G!) because Obama "should be" doing waaay better than he is. Which would be no guarantee either, but he still isn't hitting it.

I first checked their website, 'cause this was a YouTube.

But ... it's _not_ a parody. Dear God.

Honestly - imagine that money shot as part of an SNL digital short parodying The O'Movement. (The first half, unfortunately, doesn't even meet SNL's lowered standards.). That finale, and the amateur feel of the first part, was what had me 100% convinced this was a needling parody by a pro-PUMA site.

And as for "Sorry, MOM", well, just insert a string of foul-mouthed invective right ----> here.

Obama == Parody-proof.

Incredibly, several “comics” told the NY Times
recently they’re having trouble thinking up jokes
about Obama

My ability to watch Jon Stewart 4x a week fell off dramatically at the end of the primary season. What I've seen in recent episodes trying to get back on that horse is that stuff JS does, clearly aimed to get you to laugh AT BO is generating instead wild applause and cheering FOR him in the studio audience. They're full-on in the O'Movement: anything he does is wise and a smooth move to be encouraged.

On one recent episode, JS even went off-script and said point-blank to a confused live audience: "It's okay to laugh at him."

I may start watching again, as I think this is the sort of thing that presents a unique challenge, and if JS is still worth watching, this audience behavior will get his back up and he'll try harder.

did Stewart make fun of the Israel part of the tour?

he should have.

He did

I'm paraphrasing but JS said something like "Obama when to Bethlehem to visit the town where he was born" and there were a couple of things on his leaving a prayer at the wailing wall.

cool

he worries me when it comes to popular people--he gets way too polite and holds back.

I hate his face-to-face interviews with DC people for the same reason--he usually won't push or wisecrack or insult them in any way.

I thought it was parody too.

Which goes to show you, self-knowledge ain't an OFB strong suit.

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Around these parts we call cucumber slices circle bites

Stewart did the AIPAC song-and-dance....

I'm still in rehab -- can't watch TDS 4 times a week just yet -- so they may have. But when BO went before AIPAC at the tail end of the primary (you know, where HRC had to go lend him some nonexistent cred), TDS DID go after the fact that Mr. NoFlagPin decided on a shiny new US/Israel double-flag pin, basically taking him down a peg or two for the pandering. Money shot was that they photoshopped him into a multi-colored flag suit.

ahh--

he has to hit him on the wailing wall thing, and him wearing a yarmulke too, i'm thinking ...

and the whole 2 hours in each country thing is begging to be mocked too. -- If It's 3-5pm On Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium

; >

Re: "MOM"

Genuine irony:

Remember Allen Toussaint's musical admonition, "Show respect to women of the world. Remember, you all had mothers."?

That song? "Yes We Can Can". Still fills me with genuine hope.

I really, really want "Yes We Can." back.

BushBoy ruined "Leave no child behind"--I'm sure Obama will

find plenty of good phrases to place in a similar "ewwww" catagory. Alas.

I think many of you are big

I think many of you are big time over-reacting to the "Sorry Mom" comment. If anything, it's a joke about gay people coming out of the closet to their parents, not anything about Hillary Clinton. And before you attack me, let me say that I probably dislike Obama more than you, so don't go acting like I'm an Obama shill.

I've also noticed that I now view the word "hope" with absolute revulsion. Scientists could hook up electrodes to my brain and gauge my response to various words. They would be baffled at a human specimen who views the word "hope" as a strongly negative term.

Is there a cultural allusion I'm missing?

Both could be true, of course.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Your Occam's Razor may be rusty

Let's see... here's a video recruiting younger voters to Obama.

So it's more likely a rather irrelevant reference to closeted gays than HRC's celebrated older women holdouts? Interesting.

Fortunately, Voodoo, you're at the only place in the universe where calling someone a "shill" is not viewed as the pinnacle of debating skill.

Meanwhile, don't surrender "hope"! If you can block the image of cute baby chicks when you say it, I think it'll be OK.

I have to agree with Voodoo

I have to agree with Voodoo Chile's sentiments about the word 'hope'. And let me add 'change' to the list as well.

And Amber Benson, I thought you had more sense than this.

I'm so embarassed...

...for my generation. This reminds of being in my development geography class, taught by a teacher who detailed the use of propaganda and the way the insidious little Village system worked, and being told that because I supported Clinton over Obama I didn't understand 'the concept of hope.'

Lived too long with 'hope' as a former evangelical christian (now turned atheist). This rings a little like 'waiting for God to show you His promises.'

Talk about cognitive dissonance

This teacher taught propaganda yet didn't realize her/his own use of it?

Hmmm... a vague religious feel to that spot? How unlike Obama.

To me as an atheist and humanist, hope has been transferred from heaven to earth, from a future personal incarnation to future generations. Works for this former Catholic.

Getting flack as a nonbeliever (I mean Obama, not God) from fellow students too? I know this is a problem for many.

But of course....

"Getting flack as a nonbeliever (I mean Obama, not God) from fellow students too? I know this is a problem for many."

.....it's amazingly uncomfortable being an undergraduate PUMA member. Nothing has yet fazed the student crowd at least from what I've seen. I'm going to wear my PUMA bracelet proud and hope that sparks conversation. And to the professor thing...yeah he didn't recognize the gap between his words and the lecture of the day.

whether the Obama fad lasts thru the fall

and people actually go vote is the key, i'd say.

I bet most college kids who actually are working their way thru or doing it at night have a more realistic attitude towards govt and politicians and what life is really like for the vast majority of us (it's not good and getting harder and harder to get by).

It's astounding how little we all understand stuff if we're not immersed in it, and how we discount stuff that doesn't immediately affect us--until we start supporting ourselves or start families tons of giant and truly vital things like jobs, prices for stuff, healthcare, housing, education, transit/gas, etc, are just not voting issues for tons of college students.

Occam's Razor

Yes, using Occam's Razor the "sorry Mom" comment seems more likely to be a riff on closeted gays than a jab at mom-aged HRC supporters. Your mileage may very depending on your sensitivity to such things.

Well, riff for what purpose?

I mean, what's the reason why it's stressful to "come out" to Mom, other than Mom's a Hillary supporter?

Wait. I know. The Theory of Everything: Racism.

Or do you have another explanation?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Should I collect royalties or something??

Let's assume that this ad, like any ad, is a carefully crafted product designed for a specific audience (MTV in this case), and that, therefore, every aspects has been is controlled, including the words.

Why not use "Sorry, dad" or "Sorry mom and dad" (the coming out theme is the same, or maybe even more potent for a young man with "sorry, dad", no?), nope, they chose "sorry, mom"... wonder why? What recurrent campaign theme could have inspired that choice? Was young gays coming out to their parents a powerful and central campaign theme? I don't think so.

Don't hold your breath

I'm still waiting for mine for the Formerly-Known-As- Democratic (FKD) Party.

I don't know...

I have no comment on the closeted gay aspect of the "sorry mom", but I totally did not get the dig at HRC that some seem to think this was a not-so-subtle dog whistle for. Of course, I just skimmed the ad once and really did no analysis but I took the "sorry mom" at more or less face value - a comic's gag line.
Just not sure at this point - and I put no dirty dirt beyond the hopers.

Not at HRC

But her supporters. You know... older women. Moms?

he's been using the age thing a lot

lately (making lemonade) --taking the wisecracks and Obama's attacks and using it to attract older voters and to paint Obama as an inexperienced kid (who's pretending to be president already).

I didn't see it as a coming out thing at all, and i'm gay. It's a "disappointing your parents" thing.

Tsk tsk, Amberglow

It's not disappointing your parents, it's disappointing your MOM... not quite the same.

I, (& Obama too, btw) only had a Mom--like millions

of other ppl our age and younger--at least for most of our childhoods. We had a Mom who took care of us and loved us and brought us up--not "parents" or "mom and dad". (and even after getting a stepdad, he was never the important one--Mom was, and always will be, w/Grandma a very close 2nd)

It's actually one deeply rooted very personal reason why Obama's obsession with his missing dad, and his scolding of AA absentee dads, and the near-absence of his mom and grandma in his speeches, and his sexism towards Hillary, and his tepid-at-most support for choice and equality, etc, alienates me from him. (Every single time he goes off about fathers i want to smack him and see it as denigrating his mother and all mothers as incomplete -- and wonder why he never spends that much time on mothers in society and their needs--seriously.)

And BAD older Moms at that.

But her supporters. You know… older women. Moms?

And also, what kind of human mother could possibly be disappointed that her child found _hope_?

It doesn't help that this actor is so bad that I thought he was laughing during "Sorry, Mom" until the 3rd time I saw it, and figured out he was supposed to be crying.

Also note that HOPE is ID'ed as topic BEFORE "Sorry, Mom" line

The setup is supposed to make you think you're watching a herpes medication ad.

Note that the affliction is ID'ed as hope and NOT herpes before The Worst Actor in the World "cries" his "Sorry, Mom" line.

"Sorry, Mom. I have hope." WTF?!

Puke, puke, puke.

(And I also think that the little chick probably has a different idea of the role of the kool kidz' "hope" in his/her emergence from that shell.)

USA-Today anyone?

Did any one see the latest USAT poll? The latest poll has Obama leading McCain by eight looking at "registered" voters. When you look at the "likely" voters portion of the poll, Obama goes from a lead of six in June to trailing by four after his most excellent adventure overseas. Frank Newport tries to discount the "likely" right now. Usually likely voters are a better indicator of voter intent in polls.

& likely voters are not first-time

voters--they've all voted before.

National polls suck always tho no matter what--State ones are better, usually.

These swing state ones are interesting-- from Quinnipiac in June and July

Er, clearly they need a MAN....

(Every single time he goes off about fathers i want to smack him and see it as denigrating his mother and all mothers as incomplete — and wonder why he never spends that much time on mothers in society and their needs—seriously.)

"Get a man!": the battle cry of family-values dead-enders, and... the Democratic nominee.

being the "mommy party" is a key strength, too--

esp when the economy is bad--we fix the economy and lift people up--we take care of all of the American "family" and "make it all better".

amberglow... thanks

I'm a single mom, boomer era. I'm touched by your replies here.

(Been feeling more invisible than usual, lately. Can't imagine why. ;>)

you rock--

It's so incredibly damaging to perpetuate the oldtime and now wholly rightwing and GOP lie that a "family" is only a mom & dad.

He should know better--and it's infuriating that he's moving us backwards just like Republicans do, and labeling millions as "incomplete" and "less than".

As someone who now looks back with awe at my mom --and every mom-- and for all the single moms now and in the future who need a govt that recognizes and helps -- instead of hurting.

and i think of Bill Clinton too--

who treated his single mom like gold and it makes me even more angry.

Bill Clinton and his mom.

Oh yeah. You're bringing it all back to me. How I became reconciled to voting for him. (A friend kept telling me that we had to elect him because of Hillary, and at the time I couldn't see what she was talking about.) The way he talked about the women in his life definitely had a big part in that. He so obviously appreciated the women in his life, and his strong and vocal wife as well.

Obama could learn a lot from him. If Obama could learn to listen.

Agreed on Virginia Kelley

Wouldn't some of that feeling be great, right around now.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

UGH!

This commercial touched on a very sensitive issue with the Obama supporters I've encountered both online and in real life. That issue is that those that don't see Senator Obama as anything less than the beginning of the end of the Great Liberal Rapture are completely and utterly cynical and lost. It has disgusting "Left Behind" religious overtones.

I've encountered stuff like "well, people won't vote for Obama because people are afraid of change/hope" and "well, I'm a hope monger" as if we ridicule them for their hope. Like everything else about the Obama campaign, it's complete self-victimization, which is incredibly ironic, because the candidate preaches self-help/determination to the hills.

They pity us. I can't tell you how much like evangelical Christians, they seem. And then to watch them in the very same sentence rail against evangelicals and religion in general is nothing short of stunning.

You can count me as one of those folks who forced himself to give Obama a chance, a person who convinced himself of the lie that "we have two great candidates, this year". I felt like they've done everything they possibly could to shove me out of the tent, and quite frankly I got tired of trying to fight my way back in.

I'm gonna name my Unity Pony "Hope"!

Boy, did that riff get them riled up.

I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Well put.

There is enough mutual reinforcement among them that they can operate with complete lack of self-awareness. If they can't get reinforced in the real world, it's easy enough to get it online, so the religious high is easily maintained.

Have you read this by Anglachel, Damon?

I had just read Anglachel's latest when I read your post and they seemed related.

I join her in her ennui. I can't tell you how stunned I am by that. After eight years of this disaster, we could possibly elect a Democrat and I couldn't care less. It's not even that I hostile, I'm ambivalent. How is that possible?

Oh, wait, that's right, it's stuff like this. If I wanted to vote for somebody who shared W's views on abortion, I'd vote for the GOP ticket.

BD thanks

for your comment and the link to Shakes.

Yes, Kaine is very clear on his anti-abortion position to the extent of saying it pains him that there are abortions...

Interesting how this took hold as an open thread

There's probably some Law of Chaos that predicts this.

Being off work this week is making me chatty.

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