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i missed the earlier fun--aww--MSNBC is "too close to call on IN", which is another total crock like PA was.

-- Hillary wins Indiana by more than 10%--maybe more than 12%
-- virtual tie in NC or 2% either way.

-- Depressed Obama turnout in both states --- because they've been telling the world way too loudly that it's "already over" and "he's already won".

MSNBC just announced. No numbers tho, and they're still calling IN too close to call.

CNN too on NC.

when they call a state with 0% reporting. NC is finally putting out some numbers but it always makes me nervous when elections get called that early

happiness

it's so biased too---they called NC for him with 0% but haven't called IN even tho there are more than 30% reported already. "too early to call" they're saying on IN, and not "too close to call" too.

They have to stop basing their calls on exit polls alone--they're not trustworthy at all.

Drudge has this up on his front page on top==

NC [4% PRECINCTS]
CLINTON 59,844 33%
*OBAMA 116,896 65%

IN [38% PRECINCTS]
CLINTON 248,247 56%
OBAMA 195,190 44%

and his giant headline is this-- HILLARY'S 'DOUBLE DREAM' DASHED: OBAMA WINS NC

WTF! We know she's gonna win IN. With 49% reporting she's got 55% of the vote.

IA is Iowa, Indiana is IN.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

The exact same delaying in calling it for her, and she was ahead at all points the same way too.

What's even worse--he was supposed to win IN all along.

over and over until recently they had said it was his and that he's won all IL-adjacent states and that it's the kind of Red State he's always won, etc.

They stopped saying that when Wright and PA happened and now they're pretending they never said it, and not mentioning it on tv at all. And i've heard tonight over and over a return to the "Hillary has to quit" stuff again, and Rush Limbaugh over and over instead of Obama's own supposed appeal to Republicans too. (ah--Pat Buchanan just mentioned it for the first time in hours--the hosts haven't at all)

They've swung right back to their old spin for Obama and against her.

They just said "I think we have our candidate back" from Eugene Robinson too--appalling.

remember how much better Obama does among independents...

well, not so much anymore...

Indiana
Independent (23%) Clinton 47% Obama 53%

North Carolina
Independent (20%) Clinton 48% Obama 44% No pref 6%

But the indiana number looks fishy, when you consider this

White Independents (21%) Clinton 52% Obama 48%

Even rounding errors, and giving every other independent vote to Obama, doesn't account for this discrepancy

they could vote in both states, but GOP couldn't vote in NC, right?

Fixed it for ya, Matt.

well, supposedly republicans couldn't vote in NC, but the exit polls say 5% republican...

perfect!

(especially bec he was supposed to win both, and she wasn't)

we want Leah! we want Leah!

i wonder if that's the response when they asked who they've voted for in the past?

Registered Repubs supposedly weren't allowed to vote in NC altho i don't know if they were checking at all--esp if they were using Democratic registers/voting lists ...

Actually, how do they do it in open primaries?

(Here where it's closed, I show my mailer for that primary from the Board of Elections--which has my districts and other local voting info--and then i find the right table & sign in a binder where a scan of my signature and my previous primary attendance/signatures are recorded further up the page. I could go without the mailer and just id, but that's officially from them and already has the pinpointing info.)

with not one AA face visible behind him...surprise, surprise.

"... the large number of Republicans looking to vote in the Democratic primary. She said election officials were allowing voters who show up as registered Republicans but claim to be Democrats to cast provisional ballots. Their registration status will then be checked, she said, and if they are Republicans, the ballots will be thrown out. ..."
-- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/us/pol...

The Democratic Party is going to march off a cliff with Obama. His NC win is going to be heralded as him righting the ship, never mind it looks like he lost 60% of the white vote. He's going to be nominated because he gets 90% of a voting bloc that's over-represented in the primaries and makes up on 12% of the U.S. population as a whole.

It doesn't matter how badly he tanks. He's going to limp across the finish line, smearing Clinton all the way.

in 2004, Kerry got 162K votes in Marion county (indianapolis).

with 73% of the precincts reporting, there have been 123K votes cast in Marion county.

In St. Josephs (south bend), Kerry got 52.6K. with 100% of precincts reporting 62.3K votes were cast.

it looks like to me. Willie Horton and the Kitty rape question will look like child's play after this season, i bet.

and kept it neutral. Praised Clinton, congratulated her on a win in Indiana, and said that the pundits who are saying that the Democratic Party is broken are wrong. He said that regardless of how the nomination is decided:

When it is we have to remember who we are…We are at our best when we summon our fellow citizens to a higher purpose…We will be united in November.

Actually very fair and decent, and about time. Everyone should agree on that goal. Eyes on the prize.

Head. Nail. Bang.

happily immune to all religious indoctrination

i haven't heard much this time about how there are so many more new Dems there like they said about earlier states.

to have a party that does more then just give lip service to women, namely, i dunno, *denounces* all the rampant sexism involved with this campaign.

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and "we" have no control over what the GOP and media does--he's not promising to fight their inevitable and coming shit--that's the big problem.

He's not promising to fight or rallying for the upcoming dirty fight at all. He's saying it won't be that way, which is a total fantasy.

at least he finally namedropped Dems instead of Repubs.

he's throwing in much much more "i love this country" and "america" stuff, i notice, too.

how will he unify those Dems who don't want him, let alone everyone else in the country?

... then he would be asking for my vote on policy.

Empty platitudes. Make-up sex.

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However it ends, we have another job to do and will have to do it with the tool we have to work with, pun lightly intended.

Neither of these two were on my list to start. One of them will be who we have as the candidate to defeat the VRWC criminal conspiracy.

There is that saying, to be the change you seek....

But it's not a certainty that there will be a place in the Democratic Party to be that change. Not sure when I flipped, but it was somewhere between the dry pussy constituency and the dirty trick with the video. It's like in a hostile takeover, the non-performing divisions -- older people, women, working class -- are unloaded. Then then assets are stripped. I have work to do, but it's hard to do that in a hostile workplace.

Like I said: Vote for him, sure. Period.

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Donna Brazile reportedly said that Obama is the new democratic party, one that doesn't need working class whites. Fuck her and the donkey she rode in on.

Tell me your take on this (Forgive me if I missed a prior comment of yours, but I didn't see one in glancing up the thread).

I read about the Brazile comment, but I didn't see a transcript, or a YouTube.

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The test was IN. What am I missing here? He was supposed to clean her clock in NC (just as she's supposed to do to him in WV, KY).

I knew Obama would take NC.

And I thought and hoped Hillary would take IN.

What's happening to me is that I'd hoped she'd beat the spread in NC, and from the exit polling, she won't. And the Village is going nuts. They'll turn the knobs up to 11 on WWTSBQ. Then we'll have to pull out the TX affidavits -- though it looks like jiggering the NC/IN delegates today of all days was a move to forestall that -- and then it's going to get ugly.

But yes, you're right.

Thanks!

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obviously she doesn't care if the largest growing population groups--Hispanics and old people--are part of it either. And that AAs are shrinking as a proportion of the population as other non-white groups grow.

If she holds onto Indiana. She has WVA coming up and KY, two states where she should crush him.

But even before tonight I've become more and more convinced the party wants Obama. They don't care if he's wounded and limping across the finish line.

according to Chris Matthews--ugh.

Take on what exactly?

Otherwise,I'll run on and on.

The time has come for Obama to accept the VP slot offered and we can have 16 years of democratic rule. What a glorious place it could be. When it is all said and done here in NC , Obama will not win by the 15% he needed to win by for this to actually be a win . He is way to weak to win in the general .
IMHO

Those additional delegates were awarded months ago, IIRC last December. Probably can't find an easy link but that was a treat dangled more than a year ago to try and avoid exactly what happened with FL & MI. The article linked to was just written, but the state-by-state delegate strength was settled long ago.

"... if the surveys are accurate, the polarization within the Democratic Party has reached critical levels. Nearly six in ten Obama supporters in Indiana say they would be dissatisfied if Clinton were the nominee -- that's (I believe) the high percentage of Obama supporters who have ever said that.

In both IN and NC, two thirds of Clinton supporters say they'd be dissatisfied if Obama were the nominee -- I believe that's the highest number recorded for that question, too.
..." -- http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch...

Thanks, Mr. Unity! (not)

Well, I said that Obama had to take NC by 15 (now he's at 12) and IN by 5 (he's probably going to lose it).

So, by my own metric, I should rejoice.

However, I'm used to Hillary outperforming everybody else's expectations. The WWTSBQ stuff is going to be tremendous. I know politics ain't beanbag, but I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

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both states. WTF did that come from?

Oh, my bad. The WWTSBQ handbook.

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Is I've had a feeling of doom all day. Of course that could be because I'm entering week three of the illness from hell and it's just manifesting myself in buzz killing.

Obama was supposed to win Indiana and even if Clinton squeaks by, that's not where he's supposed to be. And he should easily win NC by 15% given the demos. So none of this is unexpected and all of it would've made me quite happy several weeks ago.

It's just I'm sick of all the Unity, by which I mean smear campaigns. And I'm sick of WWTSBQ? And I have no confidence in democratic party leaders or super delegates. None. Zip. I think a lot of them will happily march us of the cliff rather than upset black voters and the "creative class."

Lambert: I don't think Clinton has it in her to get ugly and I realize that it seems the Democratic leadership are willing to sell their souls to the devil to get a hold of Obama's donor database, but for the rest of us, I hope Clinton takes it to the floor. I know I'm a paranoid badger and all, but I'm honestly freaking out about the economy and I can't take a president McCain. The Democratic elites will be fine, but not me and so many others. My friend, who is grad school educated, just lost his damn job and he's just trying to get by while his school loans go unpaid. He's not alone. And I worry I'll be next. Don't the Democrats care about our lives, our futures?

BDB: Me, neither, but I also am feeling as if though everything is rigged. I don't get it: the Clintons seemed quite confident these past few days like they knew something was up and now this! I feel like I've been put through an emotional rollercoaster and I'm ready to vomit. Honestly, winning NC doesn't prove a damn thing for Obama and yet people will believe because the media tells them so. And right as Clinton was beating Obama in the national polls and soundly defeating McCain, while Obama flounders, the narrative will turn sharply (Even her supporters at TL and the Confluence felt defeated).

BIO: Just a week or so ago, you had Clinton as having the better odds to be the nominee so I wonder what you think about the race now. Be brutally honest if you have to.

It's not that I think tonight defeats her. In fact, assuming she holds onto Indiana, she's better off than I thought she'd before Pennsylvania because it looks like NC isn't going to be a 20 point blow out. She's got WVA next which should be an easy win. And then KY and OR.

i thought both of those were supposed to be hers, like both IN and SC were supposed to be his all along.

Say, I don't think Mr. Unity is even campaigning there. Fuck you, Appalachian losers.

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No results yet. Is Gary like Chicago and who did the Mayor endorse?

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that i could find: dec 2006

Nearly all of Gary itself will be Obama because it is overwhelmingly African American.

Nice timing, DNC.

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She's going to rip off a series of wins now, assuming she stays in it - and I think she will. My view, she still has an edge in electability. Obama winning NC isn't a surprise, and neither is close with IN. Half that state is culturally and medi-wise part of IL that he should have won big. That she can split the state when he should dominate half of it is a strong statement about how the rest of the country might go for him - close, but no cigar.

He's not getting the white vote, and these are Democrats. He may still get enough white votes in the general, if he goes after McCain hard and avoids being painted with Wight's brush, but it will be an uphill slog.

This thing's not over, and that's good news for Hillary. If she wins WVa and KY big, as it appears she will, the white vote issue will still loom very large in the super-D's minds.

This will only get more tense. Try to stay calm.

Working class ID will not be accepted.

In the dictionary in the entry for racist they have a picture of Donna Brazile.

Lake County is hand-counting absentee ballots, via Talk Left.

My doctor prescribed for me today the same anti-biotic used on the Anthrax patients. I'm tired, I'm cranky and I need good news now!

But I agree with your analysis, BIO. It's the lekking and the coughing that's getting me down. And, hey, if Obama had really wrapped this thing up, Brazile wouldn't have had her meltdown, right? Stuck pigs and all.

Tonight, I'm listening to Leonard Cohen. Seems to fit my mood for the returns from IN and NC:

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

On a completely different note, here's the baby robin with a mohawk -

Damn, I'm still feeling the need for a puppy pic, so here's one smirking. Take it for what you will, but I think he supports Clinton, too:

You don't have anthrax.

you'll crunch the actual voting and demographic stuff when it's all recording? (hopefully)

But during the attacks in 2001, our agency's mail was one that tested positive for Anthrax, it went through the affected postal facility. So I got anthrax training from the NIH. And hey that was probably too early in the Bush Administration for it to be corrupted.

BTW, if you think you've been exposed to Anthrax, you should wash your hands immediately with soap and hot water. Don't use that anti-bacterial crap because it kills the good bacteria your skin emits to protect you from infections.

Of course, if she were crying, that would be phony, too.

As for me, I'm bracing myself for the IN final tally.

The formula for awarding them was set in December 2006; hard to believe that even someone as politically sophisticated and prescient as Donna Brazile was able to see in Dec '06 that some extra delegates for NC would matter. Fact, nobody knew for sure exactly when any of the primary dates would be clear back in Dec '06.

No reason to bash the DNC over this one; unless, Lambert, you just absolutely need to kick somebody right now and then, by all means, kick the DNC instead of me.

A good night for Hillary Clinton, a good night for the Democratic party, and a good night for America; the broader and longer this discussion, the better for all of us.

What could go wrong?

I'll just say it: I suspect IN vote thievery. To have SUSA be so ridiculously wrong (Clinton +12) and with Gary still waiting to be "counted," I see Daley/Chicago machine politics all over this.

IN just don't add up--at all.

I agree, bringiton, that she won't quit, nor should she. The shit storm will be tremendous, but the usual suspects will be flinging it. So fucking what.

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it's good, i think, and why shouldn't she be confident? She took IN away from him which is a really big deal even if the media doesn't want to talk about it, and she's up for even more wins soon too.

And he's been on defense for ages now--even the gas tax thing is reactive and not active--and his negatives are up as well.

She's being presidential now, with Myanmar...good.

ah--count the votes! count the votes!

You have no idea how it warms my heart to read that. My end-time scenario starts on a kitchen countertop in Davenport Iowa, where a zealous housewife/househusband has been using every "anti-bacterial" product made. The bug that survives there will eat us all.

I return you now to our regularly programmed the new IN/NC primary thread, where we eagerly await the outcome of the Indiana primary so Vastleft can un-brace.

I have it on good authority that the end-time starts in my sister-in-law's kitchen where she douses everything in anti-bacterial stuff multiple times. For the record, like every other family with small children, they're still all the time.

Gary Mayor Predicts Possible Indiana Shocker - http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail...

"... Gary Mayor Rudy Clay said just now that it might take a while yet to finish counting the vote in Lake County, which includes Gary, and said that his city had turned out so overwhelmingly for Barack Obama that it might just be enough to close the gap with Hillary Rodham Clinton. ..."

hmmm

Gary has 100,000 people, though. I'm not sure that's enough.

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Does your sister live downwind from a hog farm? It will be the trans-species feedback amplification that will breed it; then the near-kill anti-bacterial cycles to toughen it up. Then we all die.

Now I'm losing my good cheer.

We had a three-week something or other bug roll through here in March; I did OK, just blah, but some people were laid up in bed for a solid week plus two more weeks of blah. To me it felt like a virus so I just toughed it out; other people were on antibiotics. Hope you feel better soon.

is this him teasing us that they're holding it up til they know exactly how many votes he needs to flip it?

(i keep thinking of how for JFK they totally cheated in Chicago)

and how funny/tragic is it that after all the accusations against Hillary that it would be Obama's people who cheat?

should be more balanced if not pro-Clinton. Still, given the shit Axelrod has pulled, I have no confidence in the Obama campaign's integrity. Which is why I am not looking forward to November if he is the nominee.

says MSNBC.

part of me wishes they would do this--it would give me at least some hope that they will do whatever it takes to win the general campaign.

I have a fancy image of Lake County with 0% of the votes counted.

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