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NC/IN primary wrap-up

Well, I envy, and don't envy, those of you who went to bed early. You got some sleep, and I'm sitting here typing and drinking cheap red wine. You also missed an amazing story; check the updates in this post (reading bottom to top). I had the feeling, whether justified or not, of immense forces moving unseen, while "the whole world [was] watching" all that we could see: screens full of numbers on pastel-colored maps, numbers that stayed static, then suddenly changed, all over the country, galvanizing people into action, posting, shouting, phoning, pleading, threatening, asking. Even poor, old, uncreative, racist C-list bloggers.

I'll wait 'til later today to post more, but more now, I hope she doesn't quit. The Gary count had a pretty bad odor. And Obama, by "apparent" victory, seemed to have smelt that taint. And speaking of tainted victories, Donna Brazile can lek my ass.

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UPDATE 1:14 AM MSOBAMA calls for Hillary:

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And FUX:

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WTF? I'm guessing the nuclear option was not, like, actually counting the votes, but the TX caucus affidavits. It's always nice to have leverage, especially when dealing with thoroughly unprincipled people.

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UPDATE 12:45 AM Water torture:

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I think I'm going to pour myself a glass of cheap red wine. It would be pretty funny if the nuns, Guam, disenfranchising MI/FL, and cross-over Republicans in the open primaries gave Obama the nomination.

1:01 AM Still 57%.

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UPDATE 11:59 Here we go:

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Via TalkLeft, WaPo

[Obama supporter Mayor Clay said the results were late coming in from Lake County because of the large numbers of absentee ballots that had to be counted -- about 11,000. Under local practice, all of the cartridges from voting machines in Gary and nearby East Chicago are first collected at the local airport before being driven to the county headquarters to be tallied with the results from the rest of the county, he said. He said there were no major technical problems holding up the count.

That's reassuring, that airport run. Why do they do that?

It takes a little time. We want to be sure that every vote is counted fair and right," he said. "I just talked to the director out there and they are working like junkyard dogs to get that done as soon as possible. They are taking some time but I told them to do it right. That's what taking the time."

Of course, all my "get over it" alarm bells are going off; then again, the OFB went nuts after NH and NV, and nothing came of it. So...

12:21 AM Still 28%.

12:39 AM Still 28%.

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lake UPDATE 11:25 PM IN H 51.8 - 0 48.2 = 3.6 (87% reporting but 0% in fucking Gary From RD: He Kerry got 188,000 votes in Lake county in 2004. Right now Hillary is leading by less than 100K. This "apparent" victory could be a problem. (Also Union County 0%.)

And since I've already seen a doctored video, I'd expect to see other dirty tricks. Eh?

12:08AM Holding at 28%. The whole whole IN voting system is a mess, says BradBlog. Republcans are purging the voter roles and the machines suck. Nothing specific on Lake County, however.

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The roller-coaster ride continues. Anybody listening to Hillary's victory [?] speech in IN? How do you feel about the day?

I assume that the usual suspects are flinging feces and beating their chests, but beyond that?

Oh, and "apparently" Brazile really besmirched Obama's NC victory by saying that the Democrat Party doesn't need or want white working-class people and Latinos, but we don't have the complete transcript, though we do have witnesses and, hopefully, YouTubes. Anybody got one?

UPDATE Obama drones on about a victory over the "politics of division." I imagine that would explain why he's not campaigning in WV or KY, and why Donna Brazile thinks that white working class and older voters don't count. It's Orwellian. I thought we were going to be done with Orwell this year.

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vastleft's picture
Submitted by vastleft on

Sorry, but I've never once found myself inspired by one of Obama's speeches. He just seems so chilly and detached. I don't get it.

But this one really lifted my spirits! Even Tweety calls it "charming."

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Submitted by koshembos on

She rejects me; I'll go and find someone else.

Does she need Hispanics, Asians, Hillary supporters? Does she think that King Obama will be coroneted by the Supremes?

Can we vote in Canada?

Mandos's picture
Submitted by Mandos on

Basically, I rarely pick a candidate who wins. Therefore, the fact that I prefer Clinton to Obama is probably hurting Clinton's chances.

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Submitted by jeqal on

I too rarely pick a candidate that wins, for what it's worth I'll probably go with McCain so at least the Dems will win the election.

I too have tried holding my nose....this is why I love the smurfs. Smurfy!

Ok....I watched some of MSNBC and after almost having an apoplexy (forgot MSNBC was pro-Obama), this was after listening to NPR (another gleeful Obama booster), I was pretty depressed. Luckily I switched to FoxNews and that was less awful, but they had to use the woman I can't stand from there who is transparently anti-Hill *sigh*, finally flipped to the Bruce Willis flick the 6th Sense and watched that while switching back and forth until Glenn Beck came on.
(I don't have a TV so this was fun to do /notmyhouse/)
I like Beck anyhow, not gushingly so, but at any rate Beck had a guy who wrote a book called "Liberal Fascism" on his show. This dude, was talking about how screwed up both the right and the left are. There extremist views has kept the government from working effectively. He analyzed their positions and how it has hampered a government that is able to work for the average American. It is more geared towards helping the wealthy and the fringe groups. I will look for a transcript of this but not tonight, I am on the fringe of tears, and don't have the heart for searching.

Sunday Beck had Ben Stein on his show, who said that there are lobbyists for the monied and for the poor but no one for the middle class. (which made the "Liberal Facism" author's statement more memorable for me.
There is no political machine that can help the middle class because they are not represented. Stein said that economically McCain would be a disaster, Hill a double disaster, and Obama would be a quadruple disaster to the Middle class.
Stein didn't go into details, but with the exception of Hill being worse than McCain, I agree with him.
It's frustrating. Eventually there will be no middle america money to toss around for aid and welfare and to help anyone but them, there will be no middle america children who go to war for the US and who have a working ethic.

Then what?

This is what American Politics has geared itself for. It has geared towards it in books, the media, political chastisement, even in churches: The destruction of Middle America.

Now what?

I wish I could think of a bright side, I suppose the bright side is that in "Candy Mountain" Charlie survived even if he didn't have a kidney anymore.

Oh and the smurf cartoons are coming out on DVD. Smurf that.

"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," --Bill Clinton

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Submitted by white_n_az on

The Page (Time) received the same transcript that was sent to Jeralyn @ TalkLeft

CNN obviously knows that they have a transcript that is explosive and they're holding back for the moment

Submitted by lambert on

At that point, we need to go to the TiVo, and make damn sure the provenance is unimpeachable after the OFB faked the "War Room" video.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

BDBlue's picture
Submitted by BDBlue on

Clinton's campaign believes that she held her own in Lake County outside Gary. Some speculation that Gary was deliberately holding votes back to delay Clinton's speech. Now that sounds like the Obama campaign I've come to know and loath.

BIO, since you seem to have actual sources, does this crap that Brazile, Axelrod, et al, spew about white working class voters upset any of the Dem. leaders or do they agree and want to try to build some sort of "new Democratic" party.

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Submitted by amberglow on

what's the choice? staying home or going McCain ensures his victory and 4 more yrs of Bushish horrors.

and we've held our noses before--plenty of times, sadly.

Submitted by lambert on

Words matter....

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by tedraicer on

And bitter in a way I've never been in 32 years of political involvement. It seems almost certain now Obama will be the nominee, and I really do despise him and his cult. As far as I'm concerned he is the Democratic version of George W. Bush, and for the first time in my life I find myself not really caring who wins in the fall. Yes, McCain will probably be worse in the short run, but I think a President Obama could actually be worse in the long run.

The old angry Wingnut or the shallow narcissitic fake progressive? I don't find much to choose from there, so at least I'm grateful electoral geography means I won't have to pull the lever for either in November. (If Obama can't win NY without my help, he isn't going anywhere anyway.)

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Submitted by amberglow on

that by restricting the voter bloc conversations to almost entirely white working class voters and African Americans they help Obama and influence SuperDelegates and keep the media focused on racism (or think they do).

Talking about women, seniors, most minorities, all working class people, etc, doesn't help him at all and would remind everyone of his weaknesses...

BDBlue's picture
Submitted by BDBlue on

So far cutting her lead in half. If he holds his current rate, he'll catch up. Apparently Gary officials have told different stories about why it's taking so long. The Clinton campaign is reportedly suspicious of the delay.

I've said it once, I've said it again, if Obama steals this election, I will not vote for him in the Fall even if that leads to McCain. It's the one absolute deal breaker for me.

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

So my vote (for President) is purely symbolic. That being the case, a hold-the-nose vote is of questionable value.

I've ALWAYS done it when required -- but I'm NOT doing it again.

If I moved to a swing state, that might change the situation. But as it is, there is little risk that my vote (for President) will matter to anyone but me.

That being the case, I'm NOT holding my nose for that again.

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Submitted by amberglow on

the popular vote matters no matter what state it's from, i've always believed. Most voters believe that, i think--that's one big reason why FL 2000 was so shocking.

And i don't see how McCain gets an enormous turnout from the religious right part of the GOP base--his vote counts may be lower than usual if they stay home.

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Submitted by Linda on

Hillary has shown me so much this primary season. She has been called every horrible name in the book. She as been accused of the vilest things. But, she stands up and keeps going. The least I can do is stand up with her.

I am disgusted with Dem party though. Their missing back bone is so glaring now it is blinding. I don't trust them at all.

I'm going to donate to Hillary now.

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Submitted by Violet Socks on

I'm sure of it. The thing is fixed.

They've been waiting in Gary to feed in whatever number of votes were required.

If this goes through, I'm done with the Democratic party forever.

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

Amber, you see? I do matter. And I'm not being held hostage by my good faith anymore.

This race would never have seemed inevitably Obama's if FLorida and MIchigan hadn't been excluded by the DNC delegate totals. It's been a shame from the beginning.

Hillary's been incredibly gracious. But, I'm not voting for a thief.

Especially not one who's hiding at least 3 major scandals.

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Submitted by amberglow on

that's why so many establishment Dems are for Obama i think--he won't ever force them to really do things or fight them if they cave.

katie, i'm with you, but i have to vote AGAINST the GOP, even if i'm not voting FOR our candidate.

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

I'm not voting for McCain either. (there's no way my fingers are strong enough to hold my nose through that)

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

I'm with you, Violet.

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Submitted by tedraicer on

Absent a miracle, I no longer have a horse in this race. So I'm just going to ignore politics for the next 4 or 8 or however many years until there is an actual Democrat to care about. I've enjoyed this site the last few months, and I wish you all the best.

Bye!

BDBlue's picture
Submitted by BDBlue on

Says that other Lake County cities turned in their vote totals early, but they didn't report them. The delay appears to be solely caused by Gary.

amberglow's picture
Submitted by amberglow on

to help the anti-Hillary:

--persuaded Obama to run this time (he had told Russert he wouldn't)

--didn't lift a finger to resolve FL or MI til it was too late.

--overwhelmingly supported and/or endorsed Obama

--now this in Gary to end it all?

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Submitted by trishb on

Do the results tonight change anything? I still don't see any reason for Hillary to cash it in, but I do foresee the WWTSBQ watch going into high gear.

Linda's picture
Submitted by Linda on

That is the Dem party. I will not vote for Obama. I just won't. They're terrified of fighting. Kerry didn't even fight when there was all that voter trouble in Ohio in 2004. I waited 2 hours to vote for him and he folded like a lawn chair as they say. Obama gets the nod that's it. Leave it to the Dems to screw up the easiest thing. They haven't done a damn thing since 2006. People are literally dying from their spinelessness. Iraq, Katrina. Children without health care. Bush was a huge problem but it was complimented by our lily livered Dems. We're all New Orleans now. We have been for a while we just kept hoping it would turn around.

RedQueen's picture
Submitted by RedQueen on

I'll write in Hillary or vote for Cynthia McKinney- but there is not a clothespin strong enough to get me to hold my nose and vote for Obama.

Davidson's picture
Submitted by Davidson on

He did say "apparent" win. When I saw Obama say that, I even had a brief flash of George W. being so damn calm after FL had been "called" for Gore. Dubya knew.

Violet Socks's picture
Submitted by Violet Socks on

Very curious that from the beginning the networks refused to call IN for Hillary. Gotta wait for Gary. The whole state's coming in but no, gotta wait for Gary.

Hmmm.

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Submitted by amberglow on

there must be truly decent Dems in your counties or states--focus on those then, and vote for them in Nov (and then just coincidentally for our nominee)

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Submitted by Violet Socks on

I believe the fix has been at least since that meeting with donors last week. The closed-door session. Barry's got big money backing him, and they're not happy about seeing it go down the drain. They didn't expect him to turn out to be such a dud who can't win an election honestly, but hey, you pay your money and you take your ride. So they had to bring the fixers in.

Submitted by lambert on

I went to bed at like 4AM thinking Stephanie Cutter had said they would challenge the results; got up the next morning and Kerry had caved. And then the healing process began. Just kidding.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by amberglow on

--that's what this reminds me of.

oops--you beat me to it, Lambert.

Kiki whoever on CNN said she has an "awkward relationship with some in the party" -- sure she does--they don't want her to be the nominee.

BDBlue's picture
Submitted by BDBlue on

although I think it speaks volumes that I could easily believe that of the Obama campaign.

Obama better hope this doesn't end up looking as fishy as it does right now. If it does, McCain will be president. No way anyone could unify the party if half of it thinks the election was stolen.

Submitted by lambert on

Why does "local practice" take them to the airport?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

BDBlue's picture
Submitted by BDBlue on

All of her morning show appearances tomorrow (this is second hand from a commenter at Talk Left who heard it on FUX).

amberglow's picture
Submitted by amberglow on

they just need a private place to jigger the numbers.

Obama was gonna lose at least 3 of the upcoming ones--some by big numbers. They can't afford to see their pick weakened even more, i guess.

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Submitted by Becki Jayne on

I'm with Katiebird. I've "sacrificed" my vote enough. No way I'll vote for McCain and no way will I vote for Obama. I also live in a solid red state that is Bush country. I "cling" to my blue county in a sea of red. The best I will do is vote for local, state, congressional Democrats but they will have to win my vote.

Hillary will continue. But OMG! The shrieking from the Obamasphere that will ensue.

Note: Get ear plugs.

Davidson's picture
Submitted by Davidson on

To wait so late until you report any results is ridiculously absurd! Let's see: Gary waited until they figured out what margin Obama needed to "win" by and then fixed it for him. The Democrats and media will likely roll over for this blatant stealing but it will destroy us in the GE--and for the long-term. The GOP will point to this (if we let it stand) as cover to get away with murder during future elections.

I'm in utter shock about all of this. Clinton was going from strength to strength since PA: SUSA polls for IN, NC; national polls; she radiated confidence, etc.. No way should this have happened (Just yesterday, SUSA had her winning IN by 12!). This is insane.

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Submitted by amberglow on

--that's why they're ending it tonight--they know he's coming off as weaker and weaker as this goes on.

and then if he loses in Nov, they'll blame her for weakening him during the primaries i bet.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

as the precincts roll in. At 80% results I fall asleep, I wake up and suddenly it's a nailbiter.

This stinks.

BTW You can check county results on CNN, Lake Co. shows 75/25 for Obama, which is the biggest percentage margin for either candidate in any county in the state.

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amberglow's picture
Submitted by amberglow on

--he couldn't close the deal or win over her voters or anything.

And all the talk had been about her "stealing" it too.

i wonder if the recent stuff about the GOP using him in ads and deciding he'd be easier to beat panicked people?

Submitted by lambert on

How does somebody weak muscle you?

Thing is, though, he is weak. Demographics are destiny, as BTD keeps saying...

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

amberglow's picture
Submitted by amberglow on

and he evaded totally John King's questions about why it was 0% all night.

even Wolf's not buying the mayor's bs--we'll see if the spin on this changes overnight.

Submitted by lambert on

At the very least we can set the record straight.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by amberglow on

may be happening", he just said. and "it looks improper"

it's on now live on CNN, lambert...i'll get the transcript when CNN puts it up--if they do.

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