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In an otherwise not really disparaging column from Market Watch's Karl Denninger, this paragraph (emphasis in original):

There's been plenty of detractors spewing about the "Progressive Stack"; I have not witnessed it, and if it's true that actual discrimination is being practiced, then we have a problem, as the fact remains that representative government demands that justice be color and gender-blind.  If it's not, and the allegation is being made that it is not, then gentlemen, we have a problem - a serious problem.

But I won't throw bombs on this issue until I know.  And toward that end, this weekend I will be attending one of the local protests.  With a bullhorn. [which, note well, OWS cannot use, and would disrupt The People's Mike and the GA process generally]   With others.  With people in the political sphere.  I am going both to talk to those who want to listen (if there are such people) and to listen and observe myself, and will take pictures while there.

OK. I'll be looking forward to the coverage. But what is the "progressive stack" that Denninger's on about?

Well, it's a process used in the Occupations' General Assemblies (see here for the field guide, and here for commentary). And as I've said consistently, it's the working of the GAs that is the truly innovative and vital part of the Occupations: A new form of political economy, practiced on the ground, that all should go see -- which Denninger, bullhorn in hand proposes to do.

So, we expect the usual self-contradictory and over-heated tribalist R Big Lies -- "Lazy hippies!" "Violent radicals!" "Get a job!" "Drugs!" "Sex!" "Hair!" -- from the usual suspects seeking to smear the Occupiers, who by all accounts are mostly a sober, serious, and highly educated group of young people resolutely dedicated to non-violence. And, we expect the usual talking points from the usualprocess types, so replete with seductive class and cultural markers, from the usual D shill Big Liars -- "The message is unclear!" "What are their demands?" "Elect [my guy]!" "Support [my bill]!" -- whose goal is to decapitate and destroy the Occupiers, just as they decapitated and destroyed the Occupiers in Madison (last I checked, the Ds haven't found anybody to run to recall Walker. What a shocker they're getting such a late start).

Critically, it's the GA process that, besides being the Occupier's consensus-driven way of taking decisions, is also the Occupier's "immune system" that protects them from infiltration by agents of the state, protects them from decapitation and co-optatation by the Ds, and above all gives the participants a real taste of a different process of doing democracy (because our current process works so well, right?) So, the attacks by the usual suspects, though seemingly brutal, are tactical, off-point, and in essence harmless (except insofar as they reinforce the system of Big Lies in which we are all enmeshed). Attacks on the consensus-driven GA process, by contrast, are strategic, on point, and have the potential to do real damage. And when such attacks begin, it's a sign that more subtle minds are entering the fray (rather like the the Egyptian generals taking over from the baltigaya, who had no strategic sense whatever). And, despite Denninger's claim that he "won't throw bombs on this issue until I know," the set-up seems pretty clear to me.

So, all that said, what is "the progressive stack"?

First, I'll define the stack. Then, I'll give an example of its beneficial effects. And finally, I'll make a personal statement on it. [Sorry if I suddenly changed styles and got all schematic, but I have a local meeting I need to go to in a half an hour!]

(1) Here's what the progressive stack is:

Occupy Wall Street’s General Assembly operates under a revolutionary “progressive stack.” A normal “stack” means those who wish to speak get in line. A progressive stack encourages women and traditionally marginalized groups speak before men, especially white men. This is something that has been in place since the beginning, it is necessary, and it is important.

(2) Here's why the stack is right:

On Thursday night I showed up at Occupy Wall Street with a bunch of other South Asians coming from a South Asians for Justice meeting. Sonny joked that he should have brought his dhol so we could enter like it was a baarat. When we got there they were passing around and reading a sheet of paper that had the Declaration of the Occupation of Wall Street on it. I had heard the “Declaration of the Occupation” read at the General Assembly the night before but I didn’t realize that it was going to be finalized as THE declaration of the movement right then and there. When I heard it the night before with Sonny we had looked at each other and noted that the line about “being one race, the human race, formally divided by race, class…” was a weird line, one that hit me in the stomach with its naivety and the way it made me feel alienated. But Sonny and I had shrugged it off as the ramblings of one of the many working groups at Occupy Wall Street.

But now we were realizing that this was actually a really important document and that it was going to be sent into the world and read by thousands of people. And that if we let it go into the world written the way it was then it would mean that people like me would shrug this movement off, it would stop people like me and my friends and my community from joining this movement, one that I already felt a part of. So this was urgent. This movement was about to send a document into the world about who and what it was that included a line that erased all power relations and decades of history of oppression. A line that would de-legitimize the movement, this would alienate me and people like me, this would not be able to be something I could get behind. And I was already behind it this movement and somehow I didn’t want to walk away from this. I couldn’t walk away from this.

And that night I was with people who also couldn’t walk away. Our amazing, impromptu, radical South Asian contingency, a contingency which stood out in that crowd for sure, did not back down. We did not back down when we were told the first time that Hena spoke that our concerns could be emailed and didn’t need to be dealt with then, we didn’t back down when we were told that again a second time and we didn’t back down when we were told that to “block” the declaration from going forward was a serious serious thing to do. When we threatened that this might mean leaving the movement, being willing to walk away. I knew it was a serious action to take, we all knew it was a serious action to take, and that is why we did it.

I have never blocked something before actually. And the only reason I was able to do so was because there were 5 of us standing there and because Hena had already put herself out there and started shouting “mic check” [see here] until they paid attention. And the only reason that I could in that moment was because I felt so urgently that this was something that needed to be said. There is something intense about speaking in front of hundreds of people, but there is something even more intense about speaking in front of hundreds of people with whom you feel aligned and you are saying something that they do not want to hear. And then it is even more intense when that crowd is repeating everything you say– which is the way the General Assemblies or any announcements at Occupy Wall Street work. But hearing yourself in an echo chamber means that you make sure your words mean something because they are being said back to you as you say them.

And so when we finally got everyone’s attention I carefully said what we felt was the problem: that we wanted a small change in language but that this change represented a larger ethical concern of ours. That to erase a history of oppression in this document was not something that we would be able to let happen. That we knew they had been working on this document for a week, that we appreciated the process and that it was in respect to this process that we wouldn’t be silenced. That we demanded a change in the language. And they accepted our change and we withdrew our block as long as the document was published with our change and they said “find us after and we will go through it” and then it was over and everyone was looking somewhere else. I stepped down from the ledge I was standing on and Sonny looked me in the eye and said “you did good” and I’ve never needed to hear that so much as then.

Which is how after the meeting ended we ended up finding the man who had written the document and telling him that he needed to take out the part about us all being “one race, the human race.” But its “scientifically true” he told us. He thought that maybe we were advocating for there being different races? No we needed to tell him about privilege and racism and oppression and how these things still existed, both in the world and someplace like Occupy Wall Street.

Let me tell you what it feels like to stand in front of a white man and explain privilege to him. It hurts. It makes you tired. Sometimes it makes you want to cry. Sometimes it is exhilarating. Every single time it is hard. Every single time I get angry that I have to do this, that this is my job, that this shouldn’t be my job. Every single time I am proud of myself that I’ve been able to say these things because I used to not be able to and because some days I just don’t want to.

This all has been said by many many strong women of color before me but every time, every single time these levels of power are confronted it I think it needs to be written about, talked about, gone through over and over again.

And for pragmatists -- of whom I am one -- not only is the progressive stack the right thing to do, it was the strategic thing to do. For the Occupations to be a success, "all walks of life" must be able to participate. The Declaration, as amended after the operation of the progressive stack, had a broader appeal.

(3) Here's why I have no problem with the "progressive stack." First, it's rule-governed (even if not by Roberts Rules, the rules are still present and can be appealed to). Next, sweet Jeebus, the GA is not about me. It's not about whether I get to speak. And at my time of life -- and readers, this may surprise you -- my GENIUS thoughts may not be as important as I once thought they were. If somebody else speaks my mind, or says better what I had to say, or says something I would never have thought of saying, it's no skin off my white ass. And, third, my ass is really, really white; I'm exactly the kind of guy that Denninger is trying to get riled up. Well, I have great facility with words. I am a symbol manipulator par excellence. As a recovering Episcopalian, I can do call and response. I can do the reading from the lectern without my knees trembling (too much). Public speaking is a snap for me. I will never have a problem getting my voice heard in any public meeting, if I so choose; I have a lifetime of training in how to that. And all these abilities are, precisely and exactly, the fruits of WASP male privilege. (I happen to think there is much of value in the traditions that come with that privilege, but that's another discussion.) People who do not have those privileges, I would argue, are entitled to speak for the good of the GA and the Occupations because -- pragmatically, and strategically -- they will bring qualities to the discourse that I do not bring, exactly and precisely because of the class and cultural lens through which I necessarily filter all that I would say. And the proof of the pudding is a better Declaration, which is of benefit to all, including me.

So I'm happy to wait my turn. And so what if it's a long line?

So should Denninger, if it comes to that.

So if Denninger and his bullhorn have a problem with the "progressive stack," then he should consider unflexing his ego. Or, better yet, he should check it at the door.

UPDATE Here'sMR SUBLIMINAL Cough. Gag.SpewTNR gearing up for the same attack strategy as Denninger, quelle surprise:

recent debate about whether to allow Congressman John Lewis, a civil rights icon, to speak to Occupy Atlanta was captured on video and ended up on YouTube. As Lewis looked on [this is bad why?], arguments on both sides were bandied about [Oh, the humanity!]. “The point of this general assembly is to kick-start a democratic process in which no singular human being is inherently more valuable than any other human being,” argued one protester [which is wrong why"]. Ultimately, because no “consensus” could be reached, Lewis was turned away.

So, some liberal icon doesn't get to jump the queue? Quelle horreur! And why the shudder quotes around "consensus," anyhow? Also, IIRC, Lewis understood and had no problem at all. Then there's this:

The air of group-think is only heightened by a technique called the “human microphone” [sic] that has become something of a signature for the protesters. When someone speaks, he or she pauses every few words and the crowd repeats what the person has just said in unison. The idea was apparently logistical—to project speeches across a wide area—but the effect when captured on video is genuinely creepy.

Well, not if you're there. It's no more creepy than call-and-response in church. And Stiglitz, who accepted the technique, clearly feels differently. Anyhow, for creepy, give me pro-Obama torture-lovin' liberals from Joe Lieberman Weekly any day of any week.

So, the emerging critique: If only the Occupiers would abandon their process, Versailles will start saying nice things about them and then they'll really get somewhere. Goody.

Oh, no, I don't know why Lewis didn't get to the top of the progressive stack. Each GA makes its own rules, so maybe Atlanta is different from New York. Or maybe all pols go to the bottom of the stack. Personally, I'd support that. Lewis already has a forum. 99% of the GA participants do not.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

See this interview that Joan Walsh did with the guy who "blocked" Lewis (he's about a thousand times smarter than she is, big surprise). And also Lewis 1) didn't ask to speak; 2) he was offered a slot to speak, but later when they had open speakers and 3) Lewis said he wasn't offended and understood that's how these things work.

Related to the stacking issue, and also on Salon, I thought this point (see the last slide, which this link will hopefully go to) about the importance of women in the movement - especially as it relates to police action - was interesting. So there are strategic reasons, beyond trying to split the movement, why people might prefer to see male faces (and white male faces at that) at the forefront of the action.

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and dishonest. Readers, click through to slide 14 (and/or here is a working link). The accompanying text reads:

Bischoff says that this poster -- his favorite -- is successful in conveying the fact that "this is a uniquely male crisis, with a female response." The influence and involvement of female protesters [occupiers] in the OWS movement, he says, is "inconceivable in Vietnam or any other protest period [occupations are not protests]"; "it's not that there are more women, but that they're equals of the men," he adds. "[And that] complicates the control problem for the police."

First, once again, this distinction is not possible to express in Sharp's 198 categories, one more way that his system does not seem optimized for the American continent in this century.

Second, IIRC women are also equally represented as facilitators, which is great.

Third, when we get the grandmothers involved, just as in Argentina, it's game over for the 1%.

So, yay on multiple levels.

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I was discussing this very thing this morning with a fellow who'd come down from OccupySeattle to do a little process workshop -- that ultimately didn't happen, oh well. He was discussing the difficulties in Seattle apart from the police harassment and the Mayor's bullshit. (Never mind all the infiltrators and whatnot).

It boils down to ego and divisiveness. He mentioned that Progressive Stacking was one of the issues that had to be worked through (I've also heard about it being criticized internally in other places.)

There isn't as strong a male white dominance here, at least not so's it shows, but there really is elsewhere. So everything is done to make it as easy as possible for not-white-non-males and differently abled individuals to participate. Which can give rise to tension, ego, and division.

One way to reduce the tension is to make clear what the procedure is and what the rules are before every General Assembly, and to gain consensus agreement to follow those rules and procedures. (That step is often neglected) Sometimes it can look like rules and procedures are being imposed arbitrarily. So just be sure to state up front how things are going to go and get agreement (or "agreeance" as I keep hearing it said) at the outset.

Simplifying the process, however, is something more and more Occupations are having to do. There are ways to do it that preserve the principles, and there's still a lot of room for innovation and experimentation

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slowly, slowly. The Seattle visitor had boiled it down to 5 Principles, which of course I can't remember off the top of my head, and now he's headed back to Seattle -- where the situation will be much different than when he left yesterday morning.

Courage.

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...there were as many people my age (65) at the Occupy Tucson organizational meeting on Sunday as there were young people.

I was one of those that (inwardly) groaned when I heard about the stack process - I couldn't imagine standing through everyone's desire to use the mic. But I was grinning from ear to ear when I left.

The GA is an incredible process. Everyone can speak, but the members set the rules on time and length of discussion. EVERYTHING is done via a vote. And when I heard a proposal that I thought was idiotic, I still listened to everyone who spoke in favor AND often changed my view or - at least - came to respect a different POV.

The intelligence of all of the people I stood with made me proud.

It's time consuming. It's sometimes frustrating. But I promise you - it's beautiful and amazing at the same time.

Remember: democracy is messy.

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This is very, very important, the GA is absolutely central, and so of course this won't be reported or if it is will be distorted.

Any form -- transcript, key incident, atmospheric picture, organizational behavior, critique, whatever!!

Submitted by MontanaMaven on

Organized by students at MSU and looks like a march right now from the campus to the court house rather than an occupation. I don't do marches anymore, but I will go and try to get a bead on if and when they will have a general assembly as I am so aching to experience this. I do plan on going to San Francisco and NYC soon so I can understand what is going on. I agree that 'digging in' is important.
So Correntians, what sign shall I take?

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Submitted by DCblogger on

When Occupy Wall Street started they had bullhorns. But the police took them away. Then they invented the people's mic.

So what happens when Karl Denninger brings his microphone? Are there different rules for him?

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Although I think it is wonderful that these highly-educated, well-spoken, organized, technologically-proficient, and blessed with free-time (i.e. can afford to strategize in activist meetings, protest, etc.) people are afforded the special treatment to step ahead of their similarly lucky white, male counterparts, this discussion neatly side-steps the entire question of class, economic and educational status in this country.

I look at that picture of Allison Burtch, writer, researcher and twitter feeder, and wonder why she is more marginalized than this person:

Army veteran Christopher Claude, 27, sits on a stretcher Friday at the Salvation Army during an event to help local homeless veterans. Claude has struggled to hold a job and suffered a mental breakdown.

Would Allison Burtch take Christopher Claude's life to gain that "white, male privelege" he basks in? How about people who have the time and wherewithal to post or create a hip, chic website like Racialicious? Perhaps Christopher can get all tired and hurt and exasperated that he has to educate people about class, economic and education barriers which yes, by percentage may affects less white people than other groups, but in terms of numbers, the majority of people in poverty are.... ZOMG! White!

The NCCP fact sheet shows that among America’s poor children, 4.2 million are white, 4 million are Latino, 3.6 million are African American, 400,000 are Asian, and 200,000 are American Indian.

Figure 1: Poor children, by race
While the figures indicate that indeed more white children are poor, they also show, however, that higher percentages of minorities live in poor families:

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

No wonder Joe Baegent was exasperated, and no wonder the Tea Party finds it so easy to get those bitter, clingers to work against their own best interests, when groups that are ostensibly organized to relieve your economic desperation deliberately kick you in the teeth to promulgate the social agendas they care more about than your poverty.

Oh, don't know if this is "prophylactic" enough, but I am marginally, but functionally brown, though male, so a partially, but not wholly imperfect messenger.

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Allison Burtch reminds me of all the reasons I find political activists so tiresome.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that, on average, a white man has to put up with less crap than those who aren't white men in this country. In fact, I know it's true. That doesn't mean, though, that the load of crap that any particular white man has to deal with is less than what Allison has to, or anyone else for that matter.

Were I at that meeting, I would have turned around and gone home. I'm sure I could find another way to be useful to my society that doesn't involve hanging around with over-educated bigots.

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If you can't don't want to accept the rules or procedures the rest have agreed to, then you are free to object or leave. What you may see as bigotry, others may see as an appropriate helping hand for those who have been traditionally excluded.

No rule or procedure is perfect.

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Is there some provision for class/poverty/educational exclusions in those that are formally adopted as "relevant"? Does class not exist? Have people of the lower classes not been "traditionally excluded"? Aren't people of poverty "traditionally excluded"? Those unfortunate enough to not have expensive educations? Haven't they also been "traditionally excluded"? I would love to hear the People's Mic repeating the words of a destitute West Virginia coal miner. Hearing privileged "highly-educated" people forced to speak like an Appalachian, or Missouri lead mine district, or Louisiana offshore worker would be a hoot. Unlikely to happen, but an interesting imagining regardless of the fact that people like that are over 10% of the population.

Who are these "others" anyway? Privileged people of the educated classes? It seems to me we just elected a person of a "traditionally excluded" group as President of the United States. A person whose supporters ("others" if you will) openly exploited both his skin color, and simultaneously, his educational/societal advantages, while sweeping under the carpet (and joining in) his disdain for "bitter clingers" and other lower class, lower "information" or lower-educated people, especially if they were white (excuse me, racists*). Well, how's that working out for ya?

So is this really the "99%"? Well, it's a great slogan, but unless you stop pretending that class/poverty/education aren't "traditional excluders", then what is the fucking point?

Yeah, and what Bruce Dixon said, too.

* Yes, I know, here she's mainly targeting educated white liberals who are going all wobbly on Obama, but she also implies they are dropping down into the knuckle-dragging classes to do so, and who wants to shower with them!

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involved in the Occupations? Aren't you assuming something about the class status of the participants that may not be true?

I can't speak for any other Occupation, I can only share what I've observed at the one I am involved with. The participants are of varied classes, from abject poverty and homelessness -- the Plaza we use is a long time hangout for the really down and out -- to quite well off. So far as I can tell, none are part of the 1%. But I could be wrong about that; I don't ask for their tax returns nor do I much care about who they know or which power player they might be or work for. There is neither favor nor disfavor based on class, but I'll tell you if a homeless person in the Plaza has something to say to the group and wants to, you bet that person will be given the opportunity, and I've seen at least one case where a homeless (white) man was advanced to the front of the stack so that he could have his say before some dolled up suburban matron got her turn (hyperbole, but you get the idea.)

The point being that we are consciously trying to include the traditionally excluded, no matter what the exclusionary factor might be. Last night, for example, an older rebel poet was advanced to the rostrum before others in line, and nobody objected.

There is no universal provision or rule about the order in which people speak at either General Assembly or Open Forum. That's not how it works. There are no universal rules or procedures involved in the Occupation Movement at all. There are no Golden Plates, no stone tablets from Mount Sinai. There is information on what others have done (if you can find it!), what their experience has taught them works or doesn't work, and suggestions to be tried or rejected or put aside for the moment. Every Occupation is autonomous. They'll do it the way they do it. Hopefully the way they choose to do it is based on agreement, consensus if possible.

I can only share what I've observed on the ground and through the ever present Livestream. Our Occupation is pretty much the most diverse as far as class, race, gender, orientation,age and just about any other attribute you can think of (political persuasion, etc.) I've seen anywhere, including New York. These are people who come from all over the area, from the very, very white and well off Sierra foothills, to the rougher and far more mixed urban neighborhoods; they're professionals, they're legislative staffers, lawyers, nurses, they're school teachers, they're recent graduates, they're students, they're community activists of all kinds, they're curious citizens, they're troublemakers, outsiders, they're retired people, they're struggling single moms, they're people in or just out of rehab, they're homeless men and women, or people who recently were homeless -- or soon will be. They're poor, desperately poor in some cases, they're working class (although many can't find work, we have a very high unemployment rate, though not as high as some counties where unemployment is in the 30%+ range), some are solid middle class, and a few are likely doing well enough financially to be in the upper 5% if not 1%.

They're there when they can be and they do what they can because they've had enough and they want to make a difference for themselves and for the future.

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No, I'm not making an assumption based on class, I'm asking a question based on what I'm reading. I'm asking a question because based on reading race, and gender and religion, but not "class", or "education", or "institutional poverty", so I'm wondering if they are addressed in the "progressive" stack (progressive, now if there isn't a tarnished word). Then when I read you say "traditionally excluded" and not include those factors above as criteria, I'm taken back and ask again. But yeah, I'm also making assumptions based on the videos I've watched on youtube, the account as above by Bruce Dixon (that was Chicago, I realize you have no experience with it), and everything that was written in this post and the tone and content in other posts and accounts (granted, all of them written by well-spoken, educated people on the right side of the technicological divide) . Most specifically, I make the assumption based on what I read at Feministing and Racialicious.

So I'm glad all people are represented, and no, you don't have to check their tax returns, I'm sure it's readily apparent who is structurally poor and who has a college degree or two and has been out of work 9 months or since graduation, regardless of their race or gender. I'm also glad that by your account, in practice, people who live at the margins of our society (leaving aside rebel poets), are getting pushed to the front to have their say, even if they are white.

God knows they don't have twitter feeds, or accounts on Correntewire either for that matter.

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is really the most critical.

I can't count the number of people who have come out to the Occupation who don't do Twitter or Facebook, who don't have smartphones, or who may not have a computer or internet connection at all. They stay in communication through their presence and participation, and sometimes theirs is the most honest -- if not the best informed -- communication.

So how do the uncybered find out about the Occupation? They may see something on the tv, they may read something in the paper, they may see a flyer. They may find out through word of mouth. Or they may pass by the Plaza and figure they want to know what's going on.

From my antique point of view, Teh Revolution has got to be done by the young or it's not going to happen at all. Many of them are connected in ways I couldn't have imagined in my day and yet many are completely apathetic. They feel as powerless as they -- and we -- are and they don't yet see the point of making all this ruckus.

The point (well, one of them) is the ruckus. We've been too passive for too long, trusting others to do too much. Not any more, though.

Wisdom tells us that once we open the Revolutionary toolbox, we don't know what's going to emerge or where we're going to wind up. It's not something to be done lightly or frivolously or because you're bored.

And experience tells us not to accept what anybody writes or says about this movement uncritically.