Someone remind me again what a giant wanker McCain is because Obama is trying my last nerve today. Via Talk Left:
Barack Obama said anti-abortion Democrats are backing him because they feel he respects their opinion on the issue despite disagreement on it. ...."It may be that those who have opposed abortion get a sense that I'm listening to them and respect their position even though where we finally come down may be different," he told reporters at a news conference.
"The mistake that pro-choice forces have sometimes made in the past, and this is a generalization so it has not always been the case, has been to not acknowledge the wrenching moral issues involved in it," he said.
"Most Americans recognize that what we want to do is avoid, or help people avoid, having to make this difficult choice. That nobody is pro-abortion, abortion is never a good thing."
First, pro-choice forces are most Americans. Jackass.
Second, the last people on the planet who need to be lectured about the moral issues surrounding abortion are pro-choice forces, many of whom - in case you hadn't noticed, asshole - are women. You know, the ones faced with those awful choices. And, boy, do I like being lectured to by a man about how very difficult they are. These forces are also the ones who also support birth control and adoption or, hell, providing daycare and support to women who want their baby but can't afford it. That's why they're called pro-choice.
Third, I'm sick and tired of you equating morality with conservative assholes.
Fourth, if you care about morality and saving lives, you could start with supporting universal healthcare.
Ack! Sorry if this comes off as a rant, but this crap pisses me off. I'll come back and add links to my second point when I'm not this angry.
Update: In my anger at being lectured yet again on morality by the good Senator, I forgot to note, as lambert correctly does below, that abortion is sometimes a good thing. Because it is. Not that I expect any politician to come out and say that.
NOTE: I know John McCain is worse, but that's no kind of standard.
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You know, I'd change that headline
Make it a bit more pointed.
Something more along the lines of "Obama: "Abortion is never a good thing."
Really? Never? Like when the woman would die, for example? Let's start there.
Cue another round of W.O.R.M.
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[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
I Was So Angry
The headline was almost "Fuckity Fuck Fuck Fuck Motherfucker" but that seems a bit ambiguous. Not to mention repetitive.
Yours is better.
And you're right, sometimes abortion is a good thing. Of course, I don't expect any politician to come out and say that. All I ask is that they not be condescending jerks towards the people out there fighting to protect my rights. That's particularly true for a guy who occasionally chose to vote present rather than take the political risk of supporting my rights.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
right. there. with. you. Anger:::::::
":" means "repeat" in the conventions of philology that i was taught.
anyway.
clearly, it's time for me to take a bath. i can't be rational on a fri night when i read about how pro-choice "forces" are wrong. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
seriously, i need some bubbles.
You and me both, cd
I still cannot discuss this matter intelligently or rationally. I'm just too angry. Maybe tomorrow I'll have something more thoughtful and less profane to say.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Give me an example Mr. Unity
You said:
“The mistake that pro-choice forces have sometimes made in the past, and this is a generalization so it has not always been the case, has been to not acknowledge the wrenching moral issues involved in it"
Show me where that has EVER been the case.
Not some fringe dickhead, show me a prominent pro-choice advocate or elected official who said anything remotely suggesting that there were no "wrenching moral issues involved."
I'll sit down while I'm waiting.
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"It's like, duh. Just when you thought there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, the Republicans go and prove you're wrong." - Molly Ivins (RIP)
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“I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” - Will Rogers
It’s like Will
It's like Will Saletan's running for President.
I'm Sorry
“The mistake that pro-choice forces have sometimes made in the past, and this is a generalization so it has not always been the case, has been to not acknowledge the wrenching moral issues involved in it”
But, Senator Obama, repro-rights advocates are the ONLY people who acknowledge the moral issues involved in abortion. Ever. Just because the forced birth crowd doesn't like it, doesn't mean they are the moral ones. There have been plenty of things in our history that people haven't liked, but that doesn't make it immoral. A lot of people didn't like emancipation, and they were wrong. A lot of people didn't like women's sufferage, and they were wrong.
Pro-choicers are the only ones who have wrestled with the moral complexities of abortion, and determined that the woman making the choice is the only person who needs to be involved in the decision. Not you, Sen. Obama, not some panty-sniffing moralizer, and certainly no legislature.
Shame on you, Sen. Obama.
Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond
How many demographics has he pissed off so far?
Let me count the ways:
- women
- working-class whites
- women
- secular and religious liberals
- women
- LGBT
- women
- civil rights advocates
- women
- pro-choicers
- OLDER women
Did I miss anyone?
Go Global!
“Fuckity Fuck Fuck Fuck Motherfucker”
That about sums up how I feel about it. Just when I think that he can't be a bigger Jerk than I already thought he goes and proves me wrong, again. The only thing that surprises me is that I'm surprised.
Remind me again
what party this jerk is in?
wrenching moral issues, my left foot
this patronizing crap is why i've stopped calling myself pro-choice and now use the pro-abortion label instead. for most women, it's a backup method of birth control, necessitating little more emotional investment than the initial decision to use their primary form of birth control.
the overwhelming emotion women feel after an abortion is relief.
sure, sometimes the wrenching moral issues do crop up, typically [though not always] when something terribly wrong is diagnosed later in an otherwise wanted pregnancy. then the parents do often struggle with conflicting emotions.
i'm all for recognizing that it's a difficult decision for some, and we need to provide them all the moral support they need, but this nationalized hand-wringing is just one more form of emotional blackmail to be used against women: "something is wrong with you if you don't feel emotionally wrung out by your decision/actions."
the real moral issues are (1) forcing pregnancy onto women who are either unwilling or unable to raise a child, and (2) dooming children to be born into a family, and a society, that is either unable or willing to care for them.
zuzu's right, that sounds exactly like saletan [barf].
obama's not helping matters with this kind of talk, but yes, mccain really is a wanker, and he really would be worse [you did say "someone remind me again..." :)]
Obama Pushes A Shakespeare Sister Over the Edge
It looks like Obama's abortion comments were the last straw for Kate Harding. She dismantles him on the latest comments and his Advocate interview - here.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt