
So, it really is about fucking the unions over, isn't it?
"Unlike a liquidation, where a company is broken up and sold off, or a conventional bankruptcy, where a company can get mired in litigation for several years, a structured bankruptcy process -- if needed here -- would be a tool to make it easier for General Motors and Chrysler to clear away old liabilities," the government said in a fact sheet [snort] outlining a "surgical bankruptcy" of 30 days or less.
Because we know what those "old liabilities" are, don't we?
Pensions and health care -- won by unions. If they get away with this, there's worse to come.
And meanwhile, AIG's counterparties get paid 100 cents on the dollar -- with taxpayer money. It really couldn't be more obvious who's running the show, could it?
NOTE I'm not sure whether this is meant to distract from G20, or vice versa. For Versailles
, of course, it's all part of the same process...
UPDATE * Hamsher says it's about fucking over the bondholders. We'll see.
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Have we reached the tipping point where Big Money really is our
government, in that they are calling the shots?? Pulling the strings?
I have never believed that the Nader attack line, about not a dime's worth of difference between the Repubs and Dems, was accurate. I believed there were substantial differences, albeit not adhered to by all Dems. In this New Dem version? Well....
With the takeover of the Democratic Party by the Obama crew, I don't know if I can still say that. There are islands of real Democrats who still adhere to Democratic principles, but they are being marginalized more and more by Team Obama. Team Obama works to marginalize even Speaker Pelosi, who's not even that firmly in the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party but, apparently, too close to it.
Per the Black Agenda Report post by Bruce Dixon on Obama declaring himself a New Democrat (see comment below), this corporatization of the Dems has been going on since the '80's under the DLC. (I'm still resisting that Clinton was a true believer in the DLCer approach, but I'm beginning to actually question that.... OMG! Say it isn't so!)
Is there hope for the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party? For DFHers?
Obama giving his auto "tough love" speech.
Workers, who have made incredible concessions, must do more. Along with others.
11 AM market numbers:
11:00 ET Dow -270.73 at 7505.45, Nasdaq -56.03 at 1489.17, S&P -28.43 at 787.51:
I wonder how this will be received.
(BTW, Obama seems to have the 3 teleprompters for this speech, but he still spends very little time facing audience directly. Much more than with the two teleprompter set up. I think they're trying to reprogram his TV speaking head movements.)
Obama closing with "fighting for working families" schtick-right
out of his campaign speeches. Appointing some kind of director to oversee support for auto workers and related industries....
Tweety just said "What a stirring statement." Then, said it looks like it was a goodbye to Chrysler.
Some kind words about GM, none about Chrysler.
Chuck Todd called Obama "President Goodwrench"!!! They're wondering if GM will start quoting this in their ads.
Richard Wolf is on now saying we don't know size of hybrid market. Guess what, guys: If some of the trillions had been used to help people buy hybrids at lower prices, we might actually have a huge market for hybrids.
Tweety now saying Obama seeking middle way on most things.
Brings to mind the commenter at Talk Left who said we elected a Mediator in Chief.
God forbid execs have to give up their bonuses, though.
That would be wrong.
But it's perfectly OK to cheat blue-collar workers and retirees out of what they were promised because keeping its promises would be inconvenient for management and might impact the sacred bottom line.
Jawbone, what from I can see, big money has always called the shots in this country, and pretty much every other country too.
I guess what I'm feeling is that FDR did not let Big Money call
shots, and for decades the Dems did work for a reasonable balance. I'm afraid the balance is gone now; Obama is firmly in thrall to Big Money, Big Banksters, Big Pharma, etc. With the balance gone within the Dem Party, the counterweight against Big Money getting just about anything they want is gone. Hence, tipping point.
But I'm feeling pretty depressed right now. I don't tend to stay that way.
What to do, what to do....
Tweety talking about coalition btwn Clintons and Obama to try to
hold Democratic coalition together, get Team Obama through a rough two years.
Since I don't watch Tweety, anyone know what he's talking about?
Said Obama added the stuff about working famiies, help for autoworkers bcz administration is afraid workers will be angry at Obama (ya think?). Then there was the comment about the Clintons* working behind the scenes to keep workers OK with the administration.
Is that why, for some reason, those remarks about workers had a different feel to how Obama spoke them? Not really his ideas? Just conjecture.
*Damn, remember that SNL skit about the 3AM phone call, where Obama calls up Hillary at 3AM about what to do on some foreign affairs emergency? Gee, must be tough to have to be Secty of State and do the domestic side as well....
Here's the quote on "working families"
Boston Globe:
Feh. Follow the money, and you see that's not so. AIG's counter-parties get 100 cents on the dollar through the bailouts -- and getting that information took digging, because of the lack of transparency.
The administrative detail:
I know nothing about Montgomery; he was on Obama's transition team, so presumably this has in in the works for awhile. So, if Timmy or Larry and Montgomery disagree, who wins? There you have it.
As far as Tweety: If he's not making trouble, which I doubt, it will never work. Hillary's SoS. She can't do that, and then "meddle" in domestic policy. What's more, we want her doing that, I would say.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
They're Shuttin' Detroit Down
A Song by John Rich:
Didn't have time to track a video down. Looks like there may not be an official one.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Why Not Have AIG Funnel Tax $ To The Big Three...
and then have them declare themselves to be profitable like the big banks did in Jan. and Feb.? The auto industry will be healthy again, just like the banks are. Problem solved.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Saw that quote from Zerohedge this morning-good thread for
you to bring it up. However, I think the funds are, uh, dedicated to banksters....
Old Liabilities
that are salaries, insurance and pensions, must be gotten rid of, even if they go back decades. Old liabilities that are from CDS contracts must be paid in full. Otherwise people will lose confidence in the system. See, big finance is a confidence
gamesystem. Big auto just provides jobs and products people use. No need for any confidence in those things."Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
This isn't new. Doesn't make it right. Goes back at least to
Reagan destroying PATCO. Probably was planned during Nixon, maybe further back than that. Thing is you gotta keep the serfs from gettin' uppity. Doesn't matter what color they are; just matters that they don't forget their places in life.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
In which I propose
we adopt a new Chinese holiday, Serf Liberation Day!
Jared Bernsteing emphasizing US gov't will honor warranties for
GM and Chrysler.
For how long, dude???
How many here would buy a new car from GM or Chyrsler under these circumstances? Firesale prices? Closeout prices? But, still, what about the ongoing support for parts? If not that many are sold, parts prices tend to be much higher, so cost of ownership could go up.
Yves at Naked Capitalist posted on the auto plan last night:
A little tone-deaf, I think
Honoring the warranties?!?! Seems a little bizarre that anybody could believe that's a saleable proposition. I mean, socializing automobile warranties...
Anyhow, the warranties are just another contract, right? Like the pension and health care contracts?
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
I drive Dodges. Granted, they're old, but the other car in the
driveway is a '95 Jimmy.
Didn't fall for the Toyota/Honda hype. Didn't have the $$$ to buy a hybrid.
Maybe getting rid of cars will have a positive effect on the environment, but it's probably too late now for the polar bears. Don't see the President going after Toyota (the new truck they're building dwarfs my 12-year-old Ram 1500, btw).
So when do we get the windfalls down here at our end of the economic spectrum?
When do we get HEALTH CARE for everybody?
When do we get DECENT EDUCATION for kids whose parents can't afford Andover Prep?
When do we get TAX BREAKS for moms and dads trying to save for college for their kids?
When do we get all that CHANGE?
Oh. I forgot. Those were campaign promises.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
PIMCO
Did Bill Gross overplay his hand?
Denninger's first stab at analyzing the auto plan/fallout:
Like those pesky, messy, nasty CDS's...and I'll bet there are plenty of side bet naked CDS's around on GM, as well.
LINK
If you're there, check out the posts on credit card exposure as likely Next Big Thing and the AIG Scam.
Denninger's money quote
Here:
Yep.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Haircuts? It's scalpings.
I really wish the Village
would stop referring to what is being done to the domestic auto industry as a 'haircut'. It is quite clear with the White House's firing of Wagoner and the subsequent tough talks around the union that this is an all-out scalping. The autos are an easier target than the banks, and it shows. A lot of us in Michigan knew where this current president's priorities layed, and it was not strongly with the workers. Too bad the UAW was to much of a coward to endorse during the primaries, huh? How's that president working out for you, Gettlefinger?
Bank CEO's get a invite to the White House and a smile-ladden photo-op with the president. Manufacturing CEO's? You get a cardboard box to put your belongings in. Why couldn't both get cardboard boxes? And, manufacturing workers? You get even less. You get empty words of 'support' while your president tries to take your heards off, as well. Hell, yeah, I'm bitter. He doesn't give a damn about a place like Michigan, and many of us knew that from the get-go.
Who could have possibly forseen that double standards and hypocrisy would have been one of your buttons?
NOTE: Even folks over at Michigan's premier liberal blog, Michigan Liberal, which transformed into an Obama 527 during the primaries, are starting to wakeup. Some excerpts:
And:
People realize the need for restructuring, but the double standards and condescension, something we've been dealing with for quite a few years here in the state, are getting to be the nail in the coffin. Obama keeps this up and he can kiss labor goodbye. The primary already created an open sour in our state Democratic party, how he's handled the auto industry in relation to the banks may be the last straw.
But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...
Bloomburg: Obama wants quick strip and sale of "good parts"
of GM. BTW, I read earlier that a GM bankruptcy would not affect its holdings outside of the US, so in some ways not so terrible for the company. Just really, really bad for the unionzied labor force.
Updated with correct link.
Not much about the unions in this piece, but implications are clear.
How fast can this be done? Depends on what kind of bankruptcy, but to do it in time frame Obama announced, it would have to be a strip and sell.
Bloomberg interesting-notes updates, but not what changed
Not sure if this is new or not, from piece linked to above (incorrectly, will fix):
Okaaay.Yves today on Obama's strip and sell approach--
Yves says it's either 11-dimension chess--or Obama has painted himself into a corner.
Now to the closing, but do read the whole thing about how complicated, how many players are involved for any kind of bankruptcy. Yves quotes at length from an earlier article about how it might be done.
Now, imagine the impact of the Lehmann closing on the markets and economy multiplied....
Oh, and don't forget about all the CDS's connected to a GM default, much less bankruptcy....
Except...
... I can't believe that the length of the supply chain and the dependent CDSs areb't things that the insiders already know about. So what's the deal? Just pure fuck the unions?
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Yves seems to think Team Obama just hasn't thought it all thru--
But we can "hope" she's wrong. Or?
Denninger at Market Ticker: GM probably a goner--but taxpayers
WILL get screwed.
Noting Bloomberg article from today,
Denninger says, "This is basically the government telling GM that either they get the bondholders to agree to whatever is necessary, or they're dead."
Because bondholders can game the CDS system:
Read on. I hope he's wrong.