Obama on Golden Sacks, JP Morgan CEOs: "I know both those guys; they are very savvy businessmen."
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Bloomberg today reports President Obama as commenting on the $17 million bonus for Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase and the $9 million bonus for Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs,
“I know both those guys; they are very savvy businessmen,”
and
““I, like most of the American people, don’t begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the free- market system.”
Taken separately, these statements are undeniably true. But put them together in the context of the Bloomberg story – we have to wait until Friday for the full text of the interview – and the White House has a major public relations disaster on its hands.
Yeah, they're "savvy" alright. Savvy at extracting trillions of dollars from the taxpayers (and then paying themselves bonuses for doing it).
Dunno about "public relations disaster," though. I don't see anything on the front page at the Kos, or Open Left, or FDL, although Atrios links to Krugman who links to the Bloomberg interview that Johnson cites. Digby, to her credit, links and posts, writing:
The only thing you can conclude is that this is a matter of principle for him and that he truly believes that these people are worth that kind of money despite the fact that they nearly destroyed the world financial system and are benefiting from its chaos and failure.
Yep. You don't bat zero for the season without a plan. Although the plan was evident from long ago, in fall 2008, when Obama whipped for TARP.
UPDATE TalkLeft covers the story two, though BTD says it's a "one day story." And the Obama apologists are out in force over at the Plum Line. All the apologists are full of it. The banksters aren't "savvy businessmen;" they embody "reckless banking."

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Yup, the Dems aren't floundering on populism
They outright reject it:
http://www.correntewire.com/biden_says_n...
Its not about success, its about the theivery
Almost everyone would like to be rich, and certainly few, if any people would rather be poor than rich. Its success that is begotten from ill gains that bothers people. It is a system that has institutionalized disadvantages for middle class and below that has people so frustrated.
Its not rocket science. Maybe Dems need to write that on their hands so they can remember it.
The Dems are bigger thieves than those CEOs.
I doubt they can remember something that they constitutionally disagree with.
Al Capone
Also savvy.
PITCHFORKS Party!
TAR AND FEATHERS party?
Perhaps we should unite with tea partiers after all.
KIDDING! I'm kidding. Dear God.
Many of them think the state is the enemy...
... which is what their owners would like them to think.
Unfortunately, the state is owned by the banksters, who are the real enemy.
Somewhat off topic but...
Your comment reminded me of an article I came across a little while ago concerning Colorado Springs (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14303473). Here's a little snippet:
If you want the state outta da way, den dis is whatcha gonna get!
And remember, up until very recently Colorado Springs was touted as one of the top ten places to live in the country. At the rate they appear to be going it may end up going the way of the "Book of Eli".
Well, yes
"The banksters aren't "savvy businessmen;" they embody "reckless banking."
They are "banksters," not just bankers, after all.
"Obama is a lackey of the financiers ... or he is a fool."
Yves Smith who also notes those are not mutually exclusive choices.
Mark this date! Lambert receives an almost-apology
here.
13th comment down. Begging on knees mentioned.
CDS still rampant, however.
All things come to those who wait
Nor, with the good ones, does one gloat. Rather, one welcomes the class of 2010.
And, as I said over and over again, "marginal is not insignificant."
Brad's point, and it's a good one, is that Hillary would not have been better on the banks. Given the immense power they exert, probably not. The hope is that the primaries, by showing her where her base really was, would have induced her to take a more populist stance.
Aw geez. Really?
See, Here.
At the time Hillary wrote this, Obama was pushing TARP.
Coulda shoulda woulda, maybe, but this was actual, serious policy she was pushing.
And not for the first time.
More on her economic policies.
I won't argue with anyone who says Hillary and Obama are both hawks, and that there is very little difference between them on foreign policy, but they are polar opposites economically. Always have been, always will be.
I couldn't agree with you more on HOLC
Obviously, which IIRC Hillary was pushing in February 2008, long before the crash.
However, the problem we're faced with today -- and the problem we also faced then, had we but known it -- is that the banksters own the government and are running the country. That's a deeper question than policy. There are reasons to think that Hillary would have done better on that than Obama ("when in doubt, vote the base") but I'm not sure the case is nearly so strong as on policy, and I have to think about it.
I dunno about Hillary.
She very well might have hired all those old Clinton retreads who got us into this mess such as Rubin, Summers and Emanuel! Oh, wait...
That's part of my concern
Does anybody remember Hillary's economic team? I don't.
robert rubin, roger altman
robert rubin, roger altman [of hamilton project fame, and where have we heard of the hamilton project lately?], barney frank, steve rattner. gene sperling was there in the beginning, but seems to have faded into the background or something later on.
Not confidence building
No Joseph Stiglitz...
I would question that source.
It's extremely slanted towards making Obama seem like a liberal and Hillary seem like a conservative.
Besides which, that was early in the campaign. Who knows what might have happened had she become President?
I agree about Stiglitz, though. He is incredible.
those same names appeared in other sources too
i just picked the one with a readable list. and i found another article stating that sperling was her lead economic advisor at the end of her campaign too.
she upped her populist rhetoric and talking points late in her campaign, for which i began to like her more and more, so perhaps she would have turned out to be a new new deal president after all. i always liked her personally a lot better than i liked obama, and being a rabid feminist, i wanted her to be the next president, but i always saw her as a liberal-ish republican.
This is what gives me pause (in a good way)
Also reprising:
Losers of everything but the popular vote, that is. It's stories like this that makes me think that the blessing in disguise of the Obama campaign's caucus fraud and media whorage was forcing Hillary to connect with the base -- the under-the-radar campaign of small gyms and cell phone calls that won the popular vote. Although one should remain, if not cynical, at least vigilant, we should also remember that there are times when politicians really do connect with their supporters in a good (non-tribal) way -- again, FDR would be the example. One of the many, many things that were lost in the primaries was that connection. I feel that Hillary allowed party loyalty and innate small-c conservativism to trump her connection to the base, and that was disappointing, to say the least. I can't recommend a better course of action, but those people were and are thrown away, and that's wrong.
Primaries and Bases
One of the suckiest things about the primaries is that a great, great deal of things happened that we can understand mostly through the thoroughly skewed lens of the media. And no matter how skeptical or filtered we are, there usually aren't strong alternative methods for divining what did happen. Clinton did change how she presented herself throughout the campaign (although it started before Ohio) but I'm not sure she ever really lost her connection to the base. Certainly, the base kept coming out and voting for her all through the primaries, despite daily death-knells rung out from the media, so they must have still felt connected to her.
I've lost the thread of the argument here, a bit. Is it whether Clinton would have been no better than Obama on cracking own on the financial industry, or whether she would have been FDR redux?
My comment on "lost the base"...
.. referred to after the convention only.
In a way, it's interesting that the energy of both the OFB and the Hillary supporters was allowed to dissipate, although in different ways.
Well, in my eyes, they are running Obama, not the country.
Seems to me there are plenty of other bad actors who are also getting their licks in, including (as you've pointed out) the insurance companies, the defense contractors, the oil/coal/gas companies, the weapons manufacturers and the fundiegelicals,
I think that because Obama is in so deeply with the banks, it's possible to give them too much credit and power. Yes, I agree that Goldman Sachs is horrendous. What about Halliburton and the Iraq War? Cheney inviting the Saudi Prince, Bandar Bush, to his secret energy meetings? What about the media being forced to push for endless war because they are owned by weapons manufacturers, thus creating Versailles/the Village?
I suspect we are only disagreeing because to me, the irresistible force in America is not the banks, but the military-industrial complex. Hillary's already given in to that, for the most part. It's on economic matters (and the matter of women's rights) that Hillary has always stuck to her principles.
As one goes up the mountain...
... the number of people (ok, men) one encounters necessarily grows smaller. I'm using the word "banksters" (and not "bankers") as shorthand for the very small group (class) near the peak, since I think their decision making processes are primarily driven by finance (and the classic emotions of finance, greed and fear). And that goes for the military industrial complex too, which would be shuttered in a heartbeat if it wasn't hosting the right blood funnel. The fact that the MIC kills a lot of the right people is icing on the cake!
she was terrific on holc
and good on some other help-the-little-people things [the gas tax holiday combined with a windfall profits tax on oil companies, for one].
but i'm not convinced she would have turned into a new new deal democrat, though i am convinced that the left would have demanded more of her than they have of obama, which would have given us a slightly better chance economically. but a wpa/ccc jobs program employing 10 million people? reinstating glass-steagall? a bank holiday? the fact that she did propose a windfall profits tax on big oil suggests that she might also have been willing to take on big fire more aggressively than obama has, but i dunno, the economic advisors for her campaign were very dlc, which worked out ok in the tech bubble during bill's presidency...
She is a New New Deal Democrat.
That's what people didn't realize.
Sadly, the left let her hawkishness on war (which is no different from 99.9% of all other successful politicians, Repub or Dem) obscure her genuine belief in liberal economic principles and women's rights. People would even try to tell me that Obama was better than Hillary on women's rights. (Had to laugh my ass off at that assertion.)
I do agree that we would have had more leverage with Hillary. That was one reason why I wanted her to be President - I knew the left would let Obama get away with ANYTHING, whereas they wouldn't cut her the tiniest bit of slack on ANY broken promise. That kind of built-in hostility to her would have been great at keeping her in line.
As liberals, our relationship with the legacy parties should be adversarial, always, even if we "like" our representatives. Just my opinion.
she is?
a new new deal democrat? you got links? or quotes?
yeah, i couldn't believe people saying obama was better on womens rights. that was totally stoopid.
Back to the "women first" argument
We could argue in favor of the idea that her economic policies would be intrinsically better by virtue of her women's policies... But it's just that. A reasonable position. I'd be a lot happier with an economic team that wasn't straight Versailles.
I'm confused.
I admit that don't know what you're looking for. I go by the policies that she espouses and they are directed always at building the middle class and helping the poor. And no, NAFTA does not count - that was her husband's deal, not hers.
I provided multitudinous quotes and links above.
I see two main philosophies of government in America - FDR's vs. Reagan's. The way that Obama feels about government is Reaganesque. The way that Hillary feels about government is FDR-like. You can look at any of her stump speeches from 2008; you can look at her book "It Takes a Village;" she believes we all must contribute and are all in this together. Consider that in contrast with Obama's incessant finger-pointing at poor people and espousal of right-wing talking points on the economy. "Entitlement programs." "Personal responsibility." "Cadillac health plans." Etc. etc. etc.
During one of the primary debates, Hillary was asked how she would "fix" the deficits for Social Security and Medicare. She said that the first thing she'd do was raise taxes on the rich, back to the levels they were during the Clinton years. After that, she said she'd think about other solutions. The questioner tried to push her into saying she'd consider cutting benefits, but she refused to say she would.
Is that a New Deal philosophy, or a neoliberal one?
I hasten to add as always, that she is not liberal enough for me in many respects. However, I do think that when it comes to economic matters, she is philosophically, and policy-wise, at least on the right track. She is certainly not a free-market, tax-cut proponent like Obama. And regardless of who her possible advisers may have been in March of 2008, she never has been.
Still pissed at BoA's Hans-Olaf Henkel?
Obama on Golden Sacks,
BoAJP Morgan Chase CEOs: "I know both those guys; they are very savvy businessmen.(American business savvy on display here.)
Oopsie!
Thanks, CMike. Yes indeed.
And that's a great photo. Why don't you make it your first post?
might I reprise an earlier post?
re: this
Irked, Wall St. Hedges Its Bet on Democrats, although as jawbone pointed out, the title has changed to "In a Message to Democrats, Wall St. Sends Cash to G.O.P."
Therein, I didn't quote this intro:
Of course he knows these guys. They're from Chicago. And, Dimon, at least helped get Obama elected with $$$$$. Of course, they're savvy businessmen! Well, they were anyway, but might be having a slight bit of buyer's remorse. (per NYT article).
Gotta wonder if the Obama comment came in response to the underlying events that prompted the NYT article?
that makes sense to me
Gotta wonder if the Obama comment came in response to the underlying events that prompted the NYT article?