I missed that--was he really floated?

It's infuriating that Obama is talking about Hagel being under serious consideration--both Barr and Hagel spoke out on the war when there were problems and many others were afraid to, for which they deserve praise--but Barr's the Libertarian Presidential Candidate and Hagel's much more conservative than McCain. Obama's talking about running Hagel on the Democrat (D) ticket! Obama wants us to have someone from the GOP in office no matter who you vote for?

I agree Hillary should be the VP choice. The crazy thing about what Obama's doing is that he would almost certainly win if he merely chooses her. Maybe he's really GOP-lite inside, in which case he'll run after the GOP anyway, but if not, if he's only doing all that turning to the right to win, all he has to do is choose Hillary and he will win.

Obama's trying to throw the election?

If he were truly willing to "do anything to win"- as some clam- Hillary as VP would make it a slam dunk.

I don't understand what motivates him anymore.

My worst suspicions are not good.

clam/claim....

tomayto/tomahto

Eagleton passed away last year. He would have been great. And historic.

Choosing HRC is so obviously the right move that it's painful. I can't believe I think this way, and maybe things will change, but I really believe now that Obama is going to blow what should be a slam dunk election.

his campaign. If he were to offer her the VP, he would infuriate his most ardent supporters.

He has built his campaign, literally, on hate. without the hate, he's just a first term senator who hasn't done anything in his life to qualify him for the presidency.

It's the basis of his power. It won't happen.

I agree that there is absolutely no reason not to vet her (unless she disagrees), but I hope to god she stays away from him. Her accepting a spot on that ticket would be a blatant validation of how he ran his campaign. If some are you are as off-put with him as you display, here, I don't see how you could want her as his vice president. That ticket would not only be toxic to both Obama and Clinton, but toxic to America if it won. If it lost, Clinton would be irreperably damaged.

On the issues, if you think she could make him put universal healthcare on his platform, you're delusional. He would use her as a prop just like he has everthing and everyone else.

You don't row back towards a sinking ship...

But, you are all right. He has no excuse not to ask her...she just has every reason not to accept such a crumb.

"...without the hate, he’s just a first term senator who hasn’t done anything in his life to qualify him for the presidency."

With it he is, too.

The last thing I want him to do is offer the VP to Hillary. She'll have to accept it. Then she'd be taken out of play as a power center, advocate, and legislator par excellence. And while she'd be the one who pulls him across the finish line first, she'll be resented even more for having been necessary. Besides, let him win on his own power (= money). And I really hopes he picks Kathleen Sebelius, just for the shit storm that would ensue. Now that would be entertaining.

It has seemed to me all along that the American people are a different beast altogether than the hating bloggerz and punditz. Shouldn't we try harder to keep them separated in our minds?

Let's lift our heads up into the fresh air and remind ourselves that most people don't hang on every word by Markos and Tweety. Remember those mostly silent EIGHTEEN MILLION, from whom we've heard only through their votes. The hating minions' voices have beaten us down to the point that we're not even stating the rational obvious anymore. A bunch of kids at their laptops pasting "Not gonna happen" shouldn't affect a decision like this. This incessant, repetitious bullying has nearly silenced women and the men who support our progress from uniting and repeating the obvious over and over.

Let's think beyond our own hurt and look to the future of our young girls, scared by the primary into submission, EVEN IN THEIR OWN CLASSROOMS. This is the ONLY step Obama can take to heal the wounds our party allowed to be inflicted on our girls. Otherwise the misogyny wins and is more hardwired into the next generation. This is Obama's only moral course, and if he's too blinded by his yesmen to see this, it is the party's MORAL OBLIGATION to explain it to him.

Whether it makes sense for HRC to accept or not is a different question I'd prefer to discuss in another thread. I happen to think she should, but I see your opposing views as well. But let's be clear: anything less than a genuine request (the much-ballyhooed fake request) would be far more disrespectful than none at all.

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Best quote of that story is from Cuomo:

No matter who he picks, the question is going to be raised: Are you telling me that this person would be a better qualified vice president than Hillary Clinton?

And the answer, of course, is no. But the response to that question from some Obama supporters will disparage Hillary Clinton. That will hurt Obama.

I really wish Cuomo had made a run for the presidency.

and a vision of light; and Lord bless ya for it. But this year somehow the pollution isn't just knee deep, it's neck high and rising. And if she becomes VP, Obama will turn that job into a humiliating vestigial organ. Obama the Healer? Not.

If you want a drum beat for those little girls, there is one that will truly lift them to the place where they belong:

Hillary 2012!!

I've never seen any politician take as much as she took and still come up, not just swinging, but smiling, too. You can tell your girls they've already got someone to be proud of, no matter what.

and Delaware to be seated, has now got me thinking about who I am going to vote for. I've been thinking I would just skip the presidential race this year, but I think I have to vote and I have to vote against Obama.

I think Obama is a sociopath. Only sociopaths create this much chaos and hurt when it is utterly unnecessary. And look, from the O-bot's side, they've been carping about teh rulz for months now, and he's just reversed himself on that. They look foolish. Guess those rules weren't so important after all.

I've been wishing I could leave the country because of Bush - unfortunately, I'm 53 and in the entertainment industry. I couldn't do it. But now, I find myself wishing I could leave over what the Democrats are doing as well. I'm just creeped out all the way around.

We get to choose between two Republican candidates this year. Horrible. Just horrible.

He will probably ask HRC at the 11th hour when the last of her supporters (that *might* still be willing to vote D for the sake of D) will be so insulted it won't help.

Isn't that how FL/MI has worked out?

It's going to be Obama/Bayh '08.

The thinking is, that will calm down all of us hysterical women, because he's a Hillary Clinton supporter, and besides, we "sweeties" and "lolitas" in the "fellowship" just have no where else to go. Right?

Don't bet on it. Cynthia McKinney will be on my ballot. Yes, yes, I can hear you now. But when it comes right down to it, liberals and progressives aren't voting their own interests when it comes to the the choice of the "evil of two lessers" which is what this election boils down to, in my humble opinion.

h/t to Riverdaughter at Confluence for that apropos description of this contest.

Bayh is really a perfect fit for Obama though, when you think about it. Bayh's lack of personality gives Obama no competition for the "center of attention" role he loves and needs so very much. But can Bayh bring Indiana along with him? Now, that will be interesting. I suppose it will force McCain to spend money there, maybe more than he'd planned to spend.

Recent polling isn't looking too good for Barack...Zogby, SUSA, all showing McCain rising, Obama falling. Polls also showing that "uncommitteds" are at their highest level ever for this election. And, a large portion of those "uncommitteds" call themselves Democrats. Must be the "lolita" vote.